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Grate new product, Southern Pacific Daylight paint 2-8-0 with DCC and smoke and coal tender in HO !!!

SP4149
 

MSRP  $450

Makes the GGD "Harriman" cars look like a real value...

 

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: Mantua Logging mallets - Driver size

Bob Weston
 

I have a Mantua 2-6-6-2 Mallet and the drivers measured .590” or about 52 scale inches.
Bob Weston 

Mantua Logging mallets - Driver size

SP4149
 

I haven't had one of these for a long time, and then only briefly.
One big problem with the PFM logging 2-6-6-2 is that the drivers are 10% oversize and the whole engine was proportionately inflated.
The NWSL logging mallets had even smaller size drivers (44-45") than the 51" drivers of Weyerhaeuser #4 &  #120 or the 56-57"
drivers of PFM #38,
What size(scale inches) are the drivers used by Mantua in their logging 2-6-6-2 (t) locos?
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ken clark
HO and Sn42

FS - Resistance Soldering equipment

SP4149
 

After the recent discussion on resistance soldering; I dug deep into my workshop
and found some interesting extras and orphans...

I have Hotip 200 watt units - used, working, with and without handpieces.

PBL sells the new Hotip units for close to $700, including the carbon probe $165 and the Tweezers $155.
 
This is the list of available resistance soldering units.  Shipping is extra.

Working 200W unit, good condition, with foot switch, no handpiece$125

Working 200W unit, excellent condition, with foot switch, no handpiece $145
 
Working 200W unit,excellent condition with foot switch, except shaft of selector switch broken in transit, repair or replace rotary selector switch $70

Working
300W unit, grunge condition, with foot switch, Hotip tweezers. $225

Working 200W unit, excellent condition, with foot switch, Hotip tweezers.   $195
 
American Beauty Resistance soldering list
 
I also have some used, good condition, American Beauty Fixed Dual Probe Style Handpieces for $65 (Note:
the taper pin terminals have to be replaced with ring terminals to use with the Hotip units)
 

Working 100 watt transformer with taper pin terminal dual tip handpiece  $125

Working 250 watt transformer with taper pin terminal dual tip handpiece  $195
 
WASSCO(AB) 500 watt transformer with taper pin terminal dual tip handpiece  $255
 
Working 1000 watt (350W, 650 watt selector) ring terminals
                   with HD carbon clamp tweezers for copper pipe up to 1"                 $245
 
 

 
Procraft Electric Soldering Machine 1000 watt two leads, no handpieces, untested $200
 
Shipping USPS Priority Mail based on actual package weight and destination address
Credit cards accepted thru Paypal with 3% fee added.

I send a Paypal invoice for records purposes,
you can pay by check or money order and deduct the 3% Paypal fee
 
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: The end of the line for Grandt Line

Ken Clark
 

Cliff Grandt's long time interest was narrow gauge, especially Colorado.  They produced plastic detail parts for structures,
and cars in a variety of scales. complete kits in On3 for tank cars and drop bottom gondolas, and detail parts for craftsman
kits produced by other manufacturers.  They produced Delrin freight and passenger car trucks, replacement mechanisms
for the Kemtron Shay and the LMB RGS Goose.  Plan books for narrow gauge and logging equipment.  And tiny 'critter'
locomotives in HOn3 and On3.  When scratchbuilding you checked the Grandt catalog to see how many parts were already
available so you could concentrate on the rest.

When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Long <acl-wayne@...>
To: HO-Steam <HO-Steam@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2018 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] The end of the line for Grandt Line



On 3/15/2018 12:21 AM, SP4149 wrote:
Grandt Line is calling it quits.
Please pardon my ignorance, but I can't recall ever dealing with Grandt Line.

From what you have indicated just below, their operation was similar in products to NWSL.  In what did they specialize?

Wayne Long

Over the years I have used their  universals, gears, and even a motor or two in a variety of projects
and built many kits using their detail parts.  I once worked in a hobby shop and once a month we did a Grandt Line
inventory with a distributor who carried their full line in the trunk of his large sedan.  Almost every scale I owned
had some Grandt parts that were usable.

I have an On3 RGS 3 truck brass Goose with a Grandt replacement drive.  It runs great but one driver wheel is slightly off-center
so it 'wobbles' down the track.  I was running it on a friend's large O/On3 layout when the Grandt's happened to
visit, and they told me to wirte them and they would send me a replacement geared driver.  About the same time I visited
the Colorado Railroad Museum during an 'Operations' day.  That year they didn't have any steam engines operational, so they
were running a Goose on their trackage. WE may not have run more than a quarter mile on their tracks, but by the end I was shaken,
not stirred.  I never replaced that driver, even though it didn't shake the model as much as the real thing.

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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: The end of the line for Grandt Line

Wayne Long
 



On 3/15/2018 12:21 AM, SP4149 wrote:

Grandt Line is calling it quits.


https://www.grandtline.com/

Please pardon my ignorance, but I can't recall ever dealing with Grandt Line.

From what you have indicated just below, their operation was similar in products to NWSL.  In what did they specialize?

Wayne Long


Over the years I have used their  universals, gears, and even a motor or two in a variety of projects

and built many kits using their detail parts.  I once worked in a hobby shop and once a month we did a Grandt Line

inventory with a distributor who carried their full line in the trunk of his large sedan.  Almost every scale I owned

had some Grandt parts that were usable.


I have an On3 RGS 3 truck brass Goose with a Grandt replacement drive.  It runs great but one driver wheel is slightly off-center

so it 'wobbles' down the track.  I was running it on a friend's large O/On3 layout when the Grandt's happened to

visit, and they told me to wirte them and they would send me a replacement geared driver.  About the same time I visited

the Colorado Railroad Museum during an 'Operations' day.  That year they didn't have any steam engines operational, so they

were running a Goose on their trackage. WE may not have run more than a quarter mile on their tracks, but by the end I was shaken,

not stirred.  I never replaced that driver, even though it didn't shake the model as much as the real thing.


--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: The end of the line for Grandt Line

Ken Adams
 

So sad to hear this. 

They are located only 3 miles from where I live. Once I was looking for special windows for a UK 4 mm project and they invited me over and let me look through all of the inventory shelves of windows to see if any would be right for the project.  I found some O scale windows that actually worked. 

But all things change. So many model railroad structures are now sold RTR and the dollhouse business must also be dying. Architects no longer need to use detail parts when they can 3 D render and 3 D print if physical models are needed. 

While I recognize the winds of change, Grandt Line was a truly California/US business and it is sad to hear of their impending passing. 

Thanks for the news even if it is ill news.

Ken Adams
Walnut Creek

The end of the line for Grandt Line

SP4149
 

Grandt Line is calling it quits.


https://www.grandtline.com/

Over the years I have used their  universals, gears, and even a motor or two in a variety of projects

and built many kits using their detail parts.  I once worked in a hobby shop and once a month we did a Grandt Line

inventory with a distributor who carried their full line in the trunk of his large sedan.  Almost every scale I owned

had some Grandt parts that were usable.


I have an On3 RGS 3 truck brass Goose with a Grandt replacement drive.  It runs great but one driver wheel is slightly off-center

so it 'wobbles' down the track.  I was running it on a friend's large O/On3 layout when the Grandt's happened to

visit, and they told me to wirte them and they would send me a replacement geared driver.  About the same time I visited

the Colorado Railroad Museum during an 'Operations' day.  That year they didn't have any steam engines operational, so they

were running a Goose on their trackage. WE may not have run more than a quarter mile on their tracks, but by the end I was shaken,

not stirred.  I never replaced that driver, even though it didn't shake the model as much as the real thing.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

Get your Daylight painted Flat Face Cab Forwards, coming soon.

SP4149
 

What's next for this poor engine?  Yellow Borg? Red Warbonnet?


ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

The patience of model railroaders on the Internet

SP4149
 

Today, I've been doing maintenance on my e-mail messages, deleting thousands of old messages if the goal.  Yhe last two months I have been getting hundreds more each week and I haven't deleted all of them when I should.  But I also am finding old messages from years before that still are relevant.

    The last one I found was from early December 2015, and I was complaining on a YG list about not being able to access message directories or post messages for several days.  That's two years and four months ago; I was experiencing the early effects of YG suspending technical support.  It wasn't until a year and a half later that I even investigated the existence of groups.io as an alternative site for my YG lists.  And it wasn't until over two years later that I  moved my first list to groups.io this January.

  Looking back I was incredibly patient in toleration YG lists deteriorating service.  Partly it was my fault since I wasn't documenting the actual service disruptions and their length of time.  Fortunately others talked about alternatives and I investigated.  But I am sure that I was not alone in tolerating poor service and not demanding better.  I ignored a lot of warning signs in those two years, which makes the last two months all the more remarkable.  The transfer of lists to groups.io has been relatively easy, but not without hiccups.  The biggest one was that I didn't realize that I was not communicating with all the members of my YG lists, even with Special Notices.  Many members had not received posts about the move and when it happened they quit the new list immediately upon receiving the Welcome Letter.  Other aspects of the YG lists reduced service I found in the photos transferred.  Photos were for most part transferred successfully, however YG had not been tracking ownership and updating when a member changed e-mail addresses.  How many internet users change an e-mail address in 16-19 years? Plenty and all those changes meant that their old photos were transferred to a new owner, the groups.io list owner, ME.  Since I did not have copyright permission to post photos on the internet and transfer display copyrights to groups.io; leaving these 'orphaned photos' on the lists is a potential problem.  If YG lists had been supported these and other 'new' problems would have been dealt with and no longer be a problem for lists.  Yes, fellow modelers and railfans, we are a patient lot.

ken

"It has always seemed strange to me," said Doc. "The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success."  Steinbeck - Cannery Row



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: C&O steam engine cab

ron christensen
 

The original cab is plastic. I suspect finding a typical C&O cab is next to impossible. So leave it as is or scratch build/ kit bash a cab.
 The wipers may be  available from the new Tomar. In any case I would have to make them to fit the locomotive. I have put a Mantua gear box drive I found at a swap meet. Also put in a can motor and DCC with sound.  Tender wheels were replace with nickel silver. The problem is the drivers for some reason they stop picking up some times. As you know the old Mantua did not pick up on front or rear engine trucks. That misses a lot of wheels that could help.
The challenge 
Ron Christensen

Re: C&O steam engine cab

John Hagen
 

Wayne,

Yeah, I got it bass asswards. Anyway it was the first thing to break.

Other than that the only other thing to deteriorate was the cross heads.

The chassis casting will probably hold up longer than we will.

John Hagen

 

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io [mailto:HO-Steam@groups.io] On Behalf Of Wayne Long
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:19 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] C&O steam engine cab

 

 

 

On 3/5/2018 2:00 PM, John Hagen via Groups.Io wrote:

Ken,

All Mantua cabs, diecast or plastic, were separate pieces.

The diecast cabs were held in place by a screw through a smallish projection (tab) at the front top of the cab casting. The tab would be the first thing to break off  if the was any sign of “zinc rot.”

On mine, the tab was/is on the top rear of the boiler casting.  A screw would go up through the cast metal tab into the underside of the plastic cab to hold it in place.

Don’t bother to ask how I know this. However I’ll tell you my first HO locomotive was a 2-8-2 I received for Christmas 1949. One day my perfect appearing boiler, cab and tab were all separate pieces.

So, that happened to you, too!  I just took a little longer with my parts.  At least, the side and connecting rods were not zamac castings.  I wonder for how long the chassis castings will hold up.

Wayne Long

 

 

Re: C&O steam engine cab

Wayne Long
 



On 3/5/2018 2:00 PM, John Hagen via Groups.Io wrote:

Ken,

All Mantua cabs, diecast or plastic, were separate pieces.

The diecast cabs were held in place by a screw through a smallish projection (tab) at the front top of the cab casting. The tab would be the first thing to break off  if the was any sign of “zinc rot.”

On mine, the tab was/is on the top rear of the boiler casting.  A screw would go up through the cast metal tab into the underside of the plastic cab to hold it in place.

Don’t bother to ask how I know this. However I’ll tell you my first HO locomotive was a 2-8-2 I received for Christmas 1949. One day my perfect appearing boiler, cab and tab were all separate pieces.

So, that happened to you, too!  I just took a little longer with my parts.  At least, the side and connecting rods were not zamac castings.  I wonder for how long the chassis castings will hold up.

Wayne Long



Re: C&O steam engine cab

John Hagen
 

Ken,

All Mantua cabs, diecast or plastic, were separate pieces.

The diecast cabs were held in place by a screw through a smallish projection (tab) at the front top of the cab casting. The tab would be the first thing to break off  if the was any sign of “zinc rot.”

Don’t bother to ask how I know this. However I’ll tell you my first HO locomotive was a 2-8-2 I received for Christmas 1949. One day my perfect appearing boiler, cab and tab were all separate pieces.

John Hagen.

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io [mailto:HO-Steam@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Clark via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 12:17 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] C&O steam engine cab

 

Ron,
  Does you model have the diecast cab as part of the bolier, or the plastic cab?
I believe Mellor made replacement cabs for the Mantua Mikado, not sure how close to C&O they were.
Greenway at one time had replacement cabs for brass models.

Clover House has marketed phosphor bronze, wire, sheets, for several years. And then there is eBay

 

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

 

 

 

 

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Re: C&O steam engine cab

Wayne Long
 

On 3/5/2018 12:57 PM, ron christensen via Groups.Io wrote:
I would like to put a C&O type cab on a Mantua 2-8-2, any suggestions?
I believe that the Mantua mike kit had a cast zamac boiler and a plastic cab held on by a tab at the top, back of the boiler casting. You could adapt the plastic cab or replace it using it as a template to build your own C&O cab.
I'm also interested in putting a track wiper on a Mantua Pacific any suggestion on where to get small pieces of phosphor bronze.
Tomar Industries (if they are still in business in Michigan) used to sell kits for what you want to do.

Wayne Long

Re: C&O steam engine cab

Ken Clark
 
Edited

Ron,
  Does your model have the diecast cab as part of the bolier, or the plastic cab?
I believe Mellor made replacement cabs for the Mantua Mikado, not sure how close to C&O they were.
Greenway at one time had replacement cabs for brass models.

Clover House has marketed phosphor bronze, wire, sheets, for several years. And then there is eBay
 
When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: ron christensen via Groups.Io <rxensen@...>
To: HO-Steam <HO-Steam@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2018 9:58 am
Subject: [HO-Steam] C&O steam engine cab

I would like to put a C&O type cab on a Mantua 2-8-2, any suggestions?
I'm also interested in putting a track wiper on a Mantua Pacific any suggestion on where to get small pieces of  phosphor bronze.  
Ron Christensen

C&O steam engine cab

ron christensen
 

I would like to put a C&O type cab on a Mantua 2-8-2, any suggestions?
I'm also interested in putting a track wiper on a Mantua Pacific any suggestion on where to get small pieces of  phosphor bronze.  
Ron Christensen

Re: Varney Dockside

Bob Macklin <macklinbob@...>
 

The one PSC has is for the Roundhouse SP switcher.
 
Bob Macklin
Seattle, Wa.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside

Actually the zamac import was a Sakura, a beautiful model that came with the valve gear.  These go for very high prices when you can find one these days.

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/060418/HO-Brass-Model-Train-PFM-Sakura-B-O-0-4-0-0-4-0T-C-16-Dockside-Switcher-98-Unpainted

Also for the Varney Little Joe, there were 3 versions of valve gear, Central Valley (I have that one), Kemtron, and yep, Varney.  Central Valley also made valve gear for the English Yardbird. Kemtron also made valve gear for Mantua switchers.  I missed out on the Kemtron kit for Mantua once.  I do have a Kemtron valve gear set for a switcher, but have no clue what it is for.  It almost looks like Mantua, but not quite.


Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of SP4149 <ken@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:59 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside
 
There was also a Zamac imported from Japan Dockside with a brass mechanism
and an all brass import as well.  The valve gear was a Kemtron part and I believe
is still in the PSC catalog.
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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: Varney Dockside

Victor Bitleris
 

Actually the zamac import was a Sakura, a beautiful model that came with the valve gear.  These go for very high prices when you can find one these days.

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/060418/HO-Brass-Model-Train-PFM-Sakura-B-O-0-4-0-0-4-0T-C-16-Dockside-Switcher-98-Unpainted

Also for the Varney Little Joe, there were 3 versions of valve gear, Central Valley (I have that one), Kemtron, and yep, Varney.  Central Valley also made valve gear for the English Yardbird. Kemtron also made valve gear for Mantua switchers.  I missed out on the Kemtron kit for Mantua once.  I do have a Kemtron valve gear set for a switcher, but have no clue what it is for.  It almost looks like Mantua, but not quite.


Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of SP4149 <ken@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:59 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside
 
There was also a Zamac imported from Japan Dockside with a brass mechanism
and an all brass import as well.  The valve gear was a Kemtron part and I believe
is still in the PSC catalog.
--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: Varney Dockside

Jon Miller
 

On 3/3/2018 11:04 AM, Victor Bitleris wrote:
 I don't know how you would do that with DC

The loco we are talking about (the one Roger Aultman got on eBay) has a decoder in it.

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Jon Miller
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