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Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
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Last of the Camelbacks I have that are complete and running is a pair of the Mantua Pacific Camelback's. The Mantua pacific camelback is a Lehigh Valley Prototype and LV is the only company to run them. They were the Lehigh Valley K1 class.
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Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
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Now the Mantua larger Mikado camelback is next. It is a Lehigh Valley prototype and the LV is the only road to have them. LV calls them their N1 class. Here are 2 NIs mikados of the Lehigh Valley Railroad. my paint and lettering.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives

Val
 


NJ Brass Reading I8.


Gem Reading B8a. Yes, I know it has the wrong number. This was before I bought the books and Eddy-Cated myself!!

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
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The Central Railroad of New Jersey was always a big user of locomotives with wooten style fireboxes. Camelbacks were all over this road. The I4 class and I5 class were the most common in use during the steam era. These locomotives were not even available in brass. With 0-6-0 and 4-6-0 camelbacks the norm in brass. With only 2 brown books 1980 and 1994 I don't know everything missing 26 years of information. The way i got around the lack of I4 and I5 class available was to scratch build my own. Here are some photos.First the I4 class.



Now the i5 class. 

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

 Here is the Reading 2-8-0 a Akane model.


Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
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Next camelback is a brass one from Precision Scale . It is a Central Railroad of New Jersey class 4-8-0 camelback. I got it boxed and unpainted, packaged as it was when new. My son stephen painted and lettered it for me. 

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

Tim Latham
 

I like these 4-4-0 Camelbacks!
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Tim Latham
Brandon, MS

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
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Now what will be next? I did my 4-4-0C types now for a 4-6-0C or two. I have 2 different ones. One is a Red Ball brass and the other a Aristo-Craft cast metal type. 
The Red Ball 4-6-0C   
 HO Train Co. 4-6-0C      
 Mantua CNJ 4-6-0C    

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

As this thread is now I haven't posted another type of 0-4-0 camelback. This would  be a mainly white metal cast type with some brass details. Brass on this one is used for the fireman's shelter, smoke stack, sand dome, bell  fireman's platform and air tanks. There are two different types of tenders. The Ho Train Co, (GHC) used a all cast metal slope back tender. Another company maybe Aristo-Craft or IMP had a all brass camelback tender and a different type smoke stack.  I have a CHAMP train set that uses the 0-4-0 camelback with a funnel shaped smoke stack and the brass tender also. All of the 0-4-0 camelbacks I speak of here are made by the New One Toy Company of Japan.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

*The next one is another scratchbuilt 4-4-0 camelback. This one is a Central Railroad of New Jersey #172 which is a loco rebuilt at the Ashley shops using the frame taken from a old Baldwin 4-4-0 #172 delivered in 6-1882, and is listed as being a locomotive rebuilt from 4-4-0 #172. This rebuild took place when the original Baldwin was 16 years old and was completed 6-1898. During this rebuild the only thing remaining from Baldwin 172 was it's frame and its cylinders, even its drivers were changed from 68" to 69". It went from a wagon top boiler to a Wooten boiler. In 1899 it was renumbered #545, In 1903 it was renumbered again to #567. Latter on it became class D4. IN 5-1909 it was rebuilt again this time at E-Port where its weight increased 4,600 lbs and its crosshead was changed from 4 guide to alligator. It was disassembled on 12-1925 at E-Port. On my road this last item never happened.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

Next is a scratch built 4-4-0 camelback. The body is scratch-built but the drive is a altered Rivarossi one. The tender is converted to coal from oil. It is a model of a Lehigh Valley 4-4-0 that was built at their South Easton shops. It is loco #5 named the "David Laury" It was one of the original locomotives used to pull the opening day run of the Black Diamond.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
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This one is another of the smaller types used on tight radius turns. The Mantua 0-6-0 camelback.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

Now another 0-4-0 camelback. This one is also by Mantua but of Plastic and Cast construction. Very much like those made recently.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

The next is a all brass 0-4-0 camelback made with early construction methods.  Most likely a International Model product release IMP
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My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

The first would be the Cast and Brass Mantua one of the late 1940's to early 1950's

Silvine 0-4-0t New One Japan locomotive

toptrain2100
 

 Silvine a supplier of HO scale track and other layout supplies also released one HO locomotive. A die cast white metal 0-4-0t side tanker they called the "Teakettle". The box it came in and the paperwork that came with it clearly was marked as a Silvine product. It is also marked as a product of the New One toy Company of Japan just like the previous Aristo_Craft line of diecast locomotives. 

Re: Aristo-Craft Ho steam Locomotives ( the diecast white metal ones.)

toptrain2100
 
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Larry Thanks for counting my edits and telling me about them. It was very interesting. Walter and Wayne, you two have a lot in common and great memory. Joe I remember Varney also and 15 years ago found a economy Hudson boiler which I added a Mantua pacific drive and brought back to life again as a streamlined PRR K4. Thanks again everybody for the replies.

Re: Aristo-Craft Ho steam Locomotives ( the diecast white metal ones.)

Jon Miller
 

On 5/21/2019 7:53 PM, Wayne Long wrote:
Its cast metal boiler was heavy over the drivers.

    Speaking of old engines I still have my first engine.  Bought it when I was 15 (1957) and it was fully assembled and ran like a charm.  A super Varney 2-8-2 with the 7 pole motor.  It pulled well as the boiler was cast brass.  I still remember the price ($28) and I worked and saved some time to get it.

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For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: Aristo-Craft Ho steam Locomotives ( the diecast white metal ones.)

Wayne Long
 


On 5/21/2019 4:57 PM, Walter Davis wrote:

I used to work at The Hobby Shop in Cameron Village, Raleigh NC in the 1960's and we sold these locomotives.  They were quite beautiful, but they seldom ran, or ran very poorly.  They were cheap back then $20.00 to $30.00 and most bought them for shelf locos.  I wish I had bought some back in the 60's.  Like I said, they were beautiful little engines.

Interesting account.

Back in 1964, I bought an Aristo 4-8-2 from a hobby shop in Greenville, SC.  Some one ordered it and never came by to pick it up.  I think I paid $25.00 for it.

My Aristo actually ran on my small layout.  When I moved and built a larger layout, this 4-8-2 could pull all the cars I had at the time up a 2.5% grade and not slip. Its cast metal boiler was heavy over the drivers.  Its appearance was never satisfactory, though.  I still have the loco but I don't run it.  It has been replaced by an IHC 4-8-2 that I custom detailed.  This IHC loco can pull almost as well as the Aristo Loco.

Wayne Long

On 5/21/2019 9:04 AM, toptrain2100 via Groups.Io wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Aristo-Craft sold a line of HO steam locomotives that were made in Japan by The New One Model Toy company. This was a importing, distribution, and sales company for these made in Japan HO steam locomotives. Information on this line of trains and just about all other is "Hoseeker". Which can easily be searched and viewed on line. They had 2 Aristo-Craft catalogs to view online. A 1958 catalog which covered their then line of HO locomotives all of which were either early brass locos from Japan of the Rivarossi line of steam locomotives with plastic bodies. Hoseeker also has the Aristo-Craft 1962 catalog on view which covers this line of die Cast white metal locomotives that I speak of here. Now I have the 1963 catalog which they, Hoseeker does not have. It shows the same line of trains as does the 1962 catalog but displayed in this catalog differently. I don't have a complete set of Model railroader magazines, but do have 2 important issues they being November 1961 page 13, and December 1961 page 23. The November ad show the complete line of locomotive types but not all road names the locos were available in. The December add only shows 9 locomotives. 12 different locomotives make up this line. A CB&Q 0-4-0 switcher with a small slope back tender is the littlest. Next would be the 0-6-0t saddle tank locomotive. Ths loco was made in different road names. The 2 I have are PRR and B&O. The next is a rare bird of a locomotive, The Philadelphia and Reading 4-2-2 "Bicycle" locomotive. The next another rare type is the 2-4-2 Columbia. It is letterend for the Baldwin Locomotive Company as it was the first of its type made and lettered this way for display at the current World's Fair, the 1893 Columbian Exposition that gave its name to this type wheel arrangement. Next is the Rogers 2-6-0, another old timer which with always the identical locomotive only the road name on the tender was different. I know of  5 different road names.  The Philadelphia and Reading, the Chicago and Rock Island, Camden and Amboy, UP and CP. The next would be a 0-8-0 type made for the Ashland Coal and Iron Company. after this one is a 2-8-0 type of the New York, New Haven, and Hartford RR. After this one is the last with a 2 wheel lead truck the Mikado 2-8-2 The Frisco in four road numbers i know of 4005, 4013, 4028, 4105. Other locos with 4 wheel lead trucks are the Atlantic 4-4-2 type in B&O maybe other road names for this locomotive was also sold by the HO train Co. Then a 4-6-0 ten wheeler the Royal Blue of the B&O. A second different 4-6-0 with a larger boiler also in B&) and ICRR. Last is the Mountain type 4-8-2. I have it in New Haven RR and seen it in C&O. These locomotives were sold from 1961 to 1967 and still available after that till the supply on hand ran out.

Re: Aristo-Craft Ho steam Locomotives ( the diecast white metal ones.)

Walter Davis
 

I used to work at The Hobby Shop in Cameron Village, Raleigh NC in the 1960's and we sold these locomotives.  They were quite beautiful, but they seldom ran, or ran very poorly.  They were cheap back then $20.00 to $30.00 and most bought them for shelf locos.  I wish I had bought some back in the 60's.  Like I said, they were beautiful little engines.

On 5/21/2019 9:04 AM, toptrain2100 via Groups.Io wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Aristo-Craft sold a line of HO steam locomotives that were made in Japan by The New One Model Toy company. This was a importing, distribution, and sales company for these made in Japan HO steam locomotives. Information on this line of trains and just about all other is "Hoseeker". Which can easily be searched and viewed on line. They had 2 Aristo-Craft catalogs to view online. A 1958 catalog which covered their then line of HO locomotives all of which were either early brass locos from Japan of the Rivarossi line of steam locomotives with plastic bodies. Hoseeker also has the Aristo-Craft 1962 catalog on view which covers this line of die Cast white metal locomotives that I speak of here. Now I have the 1963 catalog which they, Hoseeker does not have. It shows the same line of trains as does the 1962 catalog but displayed in this catalog differently. I don't have a complete set of Model railroader magazines, but do have 2 important issues they being November 1961 page 13, and December 1961 page 23. The November ad show the complete line of locomotive types but not all road names the locos were available in. The December add only shows 9 locomotives. 12 different locomotives make up this line. A CB&Q 0-4-0 switcher with a small slope back tender is the littlest. Next would be the 0-6-0t saddle tank locomotive. Ths loco was made in different road names. The 2 I have are PRR and B&O. The next is a rare bird of a locomotive, The Philadelphia and Reading 4-2-2 "Bicycle" locomotive. The next another rare type is the 2-4-2 Columbia. It is letterend for the Baldwin Locomotive Company as it was the first of its type made and lettered this way for display at the current World's Fair, the 1893 Columbian Exposition that gave its name to this type wheel arrangement. Next is the Rogers 2-6-0, another old timer which with always the identical locomotive only the road name on the tender was different. I know of  5 different road names.  The Philadelphia and Reading, the Chicago and Rock Island, Camden and Amboy, UP and CP. The next would be a 0-8-0 type made for the Ashland Coal and Iron Company. after this one is a 2-8-0 type of the New York, New Haven, and Hartford RR. After this one is the last with a 2 wheel lead truck the Mikado 2-8-2 The Frisco in four road numbers i know of 4005, 4013, 4028, 4105. Other locos with 4 wheel lead trucks are the Atlantic 4-4-2 type in B&O maybe other road names for this locomotive was also sold by the HO train Co. Then a 4-6-0 ten wheeler the Royal Blue of the B&O. A second different 4-6-0 with a larger boiler also in B&) and ICRR. Last is the Mountain type 4-8-2. I have it in New Haven RR and seen it in C&O. These locomotives were sold from 1961 to 1967 and still available after that till the supply on hand ran out.