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Re: [HOsteam] Hello I'm new, Loco regear

Les Grenz <lesgrenz@...>
 

From: marshall <zephyr03@swbell.net>
Reply-To: HOsteam@egroups.com
To: HOsteam@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Hello I'm new, Loco regear
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 20:16:15 -0500

Les Grenz wrote:

Greetings - I am new to this list. I model Colorado loosely in HOn3.
I do some loco repair primarily for myself. I would like to know if
anyone can refer me to a source for determining motor RPMs, gear
ratios, mph, etc. when remotoring. I see a lot of information in the
NWSL catalog but not specific formulas. Help anyone.
Take the motor RPM. Any gear set you are considering will have a fixed
(and usually listed) ratio such as 1:31 or 1:17. Divide the motor RPM
by the ratio (i.e. 17000 divided by 31) to get driver RPM. Multiply
your selected driver diameter by pi (3.1415926etc) to get travel per RPM
in inches. Multiply the travel distance by 720 (12" x 60 min.) to get
miles per RPM. Multiply that by the peak motor RPM and you have the top
speed of the remotored/regeared locomotive in scale miles per hour.

Marshall
Marshall - Thanks for the info. Exactly what I needed.

Regards from Les Grenz & the
Queen City of the Rockies.

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Re: loco regear

eric wolfsbane <wolfsbane@...>
 

Gear ratios are determined by counting the number of teeth on the driver gear.

SMPH can be determined by the following formula.

rpm X driver diameter
---------------------- = SMPH
gear ratio X 336


Eric


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Re: [HOsteam] Re: loco regear

Les Grenz <lesgrenz@...>
 

From: "eric wolfsbane" <wolfsbane@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: HOsteam@egroups.com
To: HOsteam@egroups.com
Subject: [HOsteam] Re: loco regear
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:05:29 EDT

Gear ratios are determined by counting the number of teeth on the driver
gear.

SMPH can be determined by the following formula.

rpm X driver diameter
---------------------- = SMPH
gear ratio X 336


Eric

Thanks Eric - It's what I needed.

Regards from Les Grenz & the
Queen City of the Rockies.

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Hello I'm new, Loco regear

Les Grenz <lesgrenz@...>
 

Greetings - I am new to this list. I model Colorado loosely in HOn3.
I do some loco repair primarily for myself. I would like to know if
anyone can refer me to a source for determining motor RPMs, gear
ratios, mph, etc. when remotoring. I see a lot of information in the
NWSL catalog but not specific formulas. Help anyone. Also are there
other sites which may specifically deal with these kind of things.

Les


(No subject)

eric wolfsbane <wolfsbane@...>
 

Norfolk Southern's Top Ten work rule changes for Conrail Employees

This special Top Ten List comes straight from NS corporate
headquarters,
located behind Sam Drucker's General Store, Hooterville, North
Carolina.

The Top Ten changes in work rules expected to most adversely affect
former CONRAIL employees:

10. All locomotives must now have gun racks.

9. Instead of meal tickets, train crews will be issued a Coca Cola
and
a Moon Pie.

8. Train crew headgear must display the "Redman" chewing tobacco
logo.

7. All train crews are now required to have a coon dog asleep on the
front platform of the locomotive.

6. Each crewmember must put sticker for favorite NASCAR driver in cab
windows and an NRA Freedom bumper sticker on the cab nose.

5. Robert E. Lee's birthday now a paid holiday; 4th of July (fall of
Vicksburg) a day of mourning.

4. All yards required having at least two inoperable locos on blocks
in
front of the yard office.

3. Grade crossing whistle signal is now the first 12 notes
of "Dixie."

2. All radio transmissions now required to end with "Y'all."

And the Number One change to CONRAIL work rules after the NS
takeover:

1. Road Foreman of Engines job title changed to Overseer!


engines modified with tender motors

Arved Grass <a_grass@...>
 

For those NOT on the Espee mailing list, I thought this might be of
interest, and spark some discussion on this list.

I have to admit, I've always thought of tender drive models as being
appropriate for smaller models, like AHM's Reno, or Tyco/Mantua's
General. The idea that a huge cab-forward could be tender-driven is
a complete revelation to me. It's sure got me rethinking how some of
my models might be repowered.

--- In Espee@egroups.com, Leo Pesce <leo@s...> wrote:
Hello,

prompted by Gary Tillery, I put together a web page with a few
pictures of
three engines modified for maximum traction: move the motor into the
tender
and fill the boiler full of lead.

http://www.ocston.org/~leo/tender.htm

Cheers
Leo

PS. the page points to pictures that are between 40 and 80 Kb.
--- End forwarded message ---


Re: [HOsteam] P2K 0-8-0

R. Keith Heinsohn <keith@...>
 

On Tue, 2 May 2000 22:21:01 +1200, you wrote:

Lifelike have updated their web page with many pix of the 0-8-0

http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/proto/steam/080.htm

What a pity it looks noting like anything that SP operated. Now, tell me
this. Would an NP switcher have had any good reason to find its way into SP
territory? :-) Tempting. Very tempting.
Oh, heck, Nelson, do it. Just say that SP was getting back some
horsepower-hours. Use any road that-a-way.
...Keith
--
e-mail: keith@heinsohn.org Santa Clara, CA.

Why experiment on animals with so many lawyers out there?


P2K 0-8-0

Nelson Kennedy <nelsonk@...>
 

Lifelike have updated their web page with many pix of the 0-8-0

http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/proto/steam/080.htm

What a pity it looks noting like anything that SP operated. Now, tell me
this. Would an NP switcher have had any good reason to find its way into SP
territory? :-) Tempting. Very tempting.


Nelson Kennedy,
Christchurch, New Zealand.
0 gauge NZR trains at http://downunder.railfan.net
Products for 0 gauge NZR (close to 1:32) at http://ninemill.railfan.net


Update from Athearn

Nelson Kennedy <nelsonk@...>
 

We will be shipping the following Genesis units to our distributors early
next week. They'll be in stores about the end of next week or early the
following week.

G9011 USRA 2-8-2 Light Undecorated High headlight Footboard pilot
G9012 USRA 2-8-2 Light CNR
G9013 USRA 2-8-2 Light C&O
G9014 USRA 2-8-2 Light Grand Trunk
G9015 USRA 2-8-2 Light Maine Central
G9016 USRA 2-8-2 Light Pere Marquette
G9017 USRA 2-8-2 Light Seaboard Air Line
G9018 USRA 2-8-2 Light Southern
G9099 USRA 2-8-2 Tender (painted/unlettered)


In about three weeks, we'll ship:

G9000 USRA 2-8-2 Light Undecorated Low Headlight Road Pilot
G9001 USRA 2-8-2 Light Undecorated Low Headlight Footboard Pilot
G9010 USRA 2-8-2 Light Undecorated High Headlight Road Pilot

Have a great weekend!

Athearn, Inc.

end quote

Nelson Kennedy,
Christchurch, New Zealand.
0 gauge NZR trains at http://downunder.railfan.net
Products for 0 gauge NZR (close to 1:32) at http://ninemill.railfan.net


P2K news

Nelson Kennedy <nelsonk@...>
 

This information came from Al at ECMR this morning:

quote

Proto 2000 Steam Loco <> Update
I spoke with Life Like this morning. They have informed me that the 0-8-0
will be produced in China and are guarantee same quality as 2-8-8-2.
They also stated these will be manufactured in a much smaller quantity
than the 2-8-8-2.
The 2-8-8-2 will be re run in the future, and built in Austria by Roco. At
least that
is the game plan at this time, but might change.


endquote


Nelson Kennedy,
Christchurch, New Zealand.
0 gauge NZR trains at http://downunder.railfan.net
Products for 0 gauge NZR (close to 1:32) at http://ninemill.railfan.net


Off Topic - NMRA - TLR Region Convention

Chris Shinn <cnshinn@...>
 

The Thousands Lakes Region of the NMRA is having their regional
convention in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada this coming May 26-28/2000.
It is hosted by the Winnipeg Model Railway Club, the CNSig, and the
CPSig.

Like usual, layout tours are available on the Friday night. A BBQ on Friday
and a banquet on Saturday are set up. There's a chance to check out some
live steam, some 1 1/2" scale, and the real thing - the Prairie Dog Central,
an
1880's 4-4-0 that makes a wonderful 2+ hour excursion run.

Seminar presentee's include Dave Shaw (photo techniques), Brian Pate
(modelling),
Joe Boreshie (new name to most of you, a historic railroad photographer with
lots
of unpublished steam photo's), Jim Little (CPR signalling), Al Lill (editor
of CN
Lines), Jim Kelly (from MR), John Morris (brass kitbashing), Jim Brock
(dispatching)
Clark Kooning (MMR - modeling techniques), Bonnie Durrenberger ("people"ing
layouts), Mike Barone (professional steam engineer), Ken Goslett (a frequent
RMC
contributor), Tom Mauszycki (track maintenance), ..... and the
incomparably...
.. Tony Koester.

More info available at the WMRC webpage:
http://www.winnipeg.freenet.mb.ca/wmrc/wmrc.html

Come on up and join us. For you Americans, remember...your $1 US is worth
about $1.48 CDN and that means buying power!

Chris Shinn
Winnipeg, Canada
Member, Renegade HO Modular Club
< http://members.xoom.com/renegade_MRC >
"If it ain't steam, it's a powered boxcar"


Re: [HOsteam] SP GS3/6, 4-6-0's etc.

Richard Parker <t3consult@...>
 

Remember the Cary Harriman Boiler? If some one could develop both "small"
(2-8-0 / 4-6-0) and larger (4-6-2 / 2-8-2) Harriman boilers in maybe resin(??)
might be interesting .

Thomas Beutel wrote:

From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Hi Ken,

Thanks for the GS3/6 correction. You also make a good point about 4-6-0's.
The Bowser and MDC 4-6-0's are SP flavored but need a lot of work to bring
them close to a prototype class. In addition to SP 4-6-0's, the Northwestern
Pacific had a number of smaller 4-6-0's (mostly ALCOs I believe) that would
make nice models.

I've often pondered what it would take to develop the dies for a 4-6-0 SP
class T-28 for example, in association with Bowser or MDC. In their catalog,
Bowser even states that they are willing to work with people on developing
new models. While wishing for plastic versions of SP steam is fun, I think
the practical matter is that only the universally "popular" models (GS4, Cab
Forward) will ever be made in plastic. It will take a Bowser-Pennsy like
manufacturer to supply the SP crowd. (And MDC is so close, if they would
just upgrade those boilers...)

(Too bad making model dies isn't like software. Then we could just develop
it Open Source and distribute it on the Internet ;-)

Later,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

-----Original Message-----
From: kenrclark@aol.com

"Another candidate would be the GS3 and
GS6. They are essentially the same, with variations in the skirting and
appliances. "

Actually not even close, the GS-3 is essentially the same as the GS-4,
boiler, drivers (80"), cylinders, etc. The cosmetic differences are the cab
and boiler front.
The SP GS-6 and the WP GS64s are copies of the earlier, smaller GS-1 and
GS-2 classes, engines with 73 inch drivers, with an all weather cab (like
the GS-4).
It is interesting to speculate on what the next "quality Plastic" steamer
should be. Almost as common as the consolidations, for an equally long
period were the Ten Wheelers. A nice size for any layout, I like SP but what
would be the best prototype 4-6-0 for a P2K model?



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Re: [HOsteam] Remember Aristocraft?

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Hi Chris,

The few that I have all need work, most likely due to sitting around in
someone's closet for 40 years. I have the 2-4-2 Columbia that runs fairly
smoothly but the motor is sluggish. And let's face it, these were made in
the days before low current motors. I plan to take it apart and remotor it.

Regards,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shinn

Aristocraft steam was before my time, too. Like you I've seen quite a few
on eBay and have even been tempted to bid on a couple. I wonder how
well they ran?

Chris Shinn
Winnipeg, Canada


SP GS3/6, 4-6-0's etc.

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Hi Ken,

Thanks for the GS3/6 correction. You also make a good point about 4-6-0's.
The Bowser and MDC 4-6-0's are SP flavored but need a lot of work to bring
them close to a prototype class. In addition to SP 4-6-0's, the Northwestern
Pacific had a number of smaller 4-6-0's (mostly ALCOs I believe) that would
make nice models.

I've often pondered what it would take to develop the dies for a 4-6-0 SP
class T-28 for example, in association with Bowser or MDC. In their catalog,
Bowser even states that they are willing to work with people on developing
new models. While wishing for plastic versions of SP steam is fun, I think
the practical matter is that only the universally "popular" models (GS4, Cab
Forward) will ever be made in plastic. It will take a Bowser-Pennsy like
manufacturer to supply the SP crowd. (And MDC is so close, if they would
just upgrade those boilers...)

(Too bad making model dies isn't like software. Then we could just develop
it Open Source and distribute it on the Internet ;-)

Later,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

-----Original Message-----
From: kenrclark@aol.com

"Another candidate would be the GS3 and
GS6. They are essentially the same, with variations in the skirting and
appliances. "

Actually not even close, the GS-3 is essentially the same as the GS-4,
boiler, drivers (80"), cylinders, etc. The cosmetic differences are the cab
and boiler front.
The SP GS-6 and the WP GS64s are copies of the earlier, smaller GS-1 and
GS-2 classes, engines with 73 inch drivers, with an all weather cab (like
the GS-4).
It is interesting to speculate on what the next "quality Plastic" steamer
should be. Almost as common as the consolidations, for an equally long
period were the Ten Wheelers. A nice size for any layout, I like SP but what
would be the best prototype 4-6-0 for a P2K model?


Re: [HOsteam] Picking the ideal plastic model steamer

Ken Clark
 

If the goal is to pick a universally attractive engine, that would fit on
almost any home or club layout, and have some desireability, I have a first
suggestion.

A Baldwin 90 ton Mikado.

These engines were favorites of shortlines and logging railroads, their small
wheelbase makes model curves negotiable, yet they are large enough to pull an
appropriate train. With real railroad names like Weyerhauser, McCloud River,
Sierra, a few that come to mind on the West Coast, they would have name
recognition and could be offered for a variety of railroads. Many of these
engines still exist and the most interesting part, they haven't been produced
in brass. I have three USRA light mikados that would be gone if I could have
equally nice 90 ton mikados.

my two cents for the day,

ken


Re: [HOsteam] Future of the "plastic" steam models.

marshall <zephyr03@...>
 

Leo Pesce wrote:

From: Leo Pesce <leo@sco.com>

Hello all,

I have been away for a while from all the latest news about new and
announced
products. So I will ask here.

Is there any information on the new P2K engine?

Due to a high visibility being known to the world, would you say a P2K/Roco
GS4 (Southern Pacific Northern 4-8-4 in Daylight, American Freedom, San
Joaquin
and Black Commuter) would not be out of the question?

Here is an engine that can take four color schemes, not many can say the
same.
From a manufacturer point of view, as steam engines are concerned, this is
great. Except for the USRAs, most engines are always very railroad specific
in looks, appliances and colors. Of course a lot of them have the so called
"Fantasy Schemes", but that should be relegated to the toy section, not to
the
$100-200 engines.

Any comments?
Yeah - if you did the GS-5 instead, you could do all of the above
(except the Freedom Train) and add the Western Pacific's 48X class -

Actually, a lot more railroads had 74"-drivered 4-8-4s than those with
80" . . . and the CRI&P R-67 served as the design basis for a number of
engines on different roads. If Bachmann had stuck to their original
announcement about the 2-8-0, with interchangeable stacks, domes, cabs,
etc., you could cover around a dozen roads from the R-67 . . .

Marshall


Re: [HOsteam] Future of the "plastic" steam models.

Brad Bourbina <bbbourb@...>
 

And I await with bated breath the release/arrival of the Rivarossi
2-6-6-6 Allegheney! WHOOO-ha what a monster!

Brad Bourbina

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Chris Shinn" <cnshinn@home.com>
Reply-To: HOsteam@onelist.com
To: <HOsteam@onelist.com>
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Future of the "plastic" steam models.
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:12:28 -0600

I would say that LifeLike and Bachmann will probably stick to more
"generic" loco's, at least for a couple more years as interest in steam
picks up again. They will probably keep bringing out USRA models,
or like the Spectrum Decapod soon to be released, loco's that saw
heavy use but haven't been made available except in brass.


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Re: [HOsteam] Remember Aristocraft?

Chris Shinn <cnshinn@...>
 

Aristocraft steam was before my time, too. Like you I've seen quite a few
on eBay and have even been tempted to bid on a couple. I wonder how
well they ran?

Chris Shinn
Winnipeg, Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Beutel
To: 'HOsteam@onelist.com'
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 6:27 PM
Subject: [HOsteam] Remember Aristocraft?


From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Hi All,

While we are all discussing the upcoming resurgence of steam in HO, does
anyone on this list remember the variety of locos that AristoCraft made in
the 1950's? I'm too young to remember those days, but I'm constantly
enjoying seeing (new to me) Aristo HO steam locos appearing on eBay and at
meets.

From what I can tell, there was a resurgence of interest in
turn-of-the-century (1900, that is ;-) steam and AristoCraft fed that
interest well.

Cheers,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco


Remember Aristocraft?

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Hi All,

While we are all discussing the upcoming resurgence of steam in HO, does
anyone on this list remember the variety of locos that AristoCraft made in
the 1950's? I'm too young to remember those days, but I'm constantly
enjoying seeing (new to me) Aristo HO steam locos appearing on eBay and at
meets.

From what I can tell, there was a resurgence of interest in
turn-of-the-century (1900, that is ;-) steam and AristoCraft fed that
interest well.

Cheers,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco


Re: [HOsteam] Future of the "plastic" steam models.

Chris Shinn <cnshinn@...>
 

I would say that LifeLike and Bachmann will probably stick to more
"generic" loco's, at least for a couple more years as interest in steam
picks up again. They will probably keep bringing out USRA models,
or like the Spectrum Decapod soon to be released, loco's that saw
heavy use but haven't been made available except in brass.

Bachmann's Shay is hopefully a prelude of a Climax next year (ohhhh
plllleeeeasssseeee, please make one!). I would say a Pacific, Mogul,
and 10 wheelers are likely in the next few years. For larger loco's I
would put money on 2-6-6-2's, and maybe even a 2-10-2. I can see the chance
of the 4-8-4 in a GOOD model, but probably after steam is well entrenched
in modeling again. Only large layouts could hope to run one as I can't
imagine that a GOOD running Northern is likely to be able to use anything
under 24" minimum radii. Bachmann could possibly upgrade the drive on
their current 4-8-4's and badge it a "Spectrum" but I think most would agree
that for $200 you'd want the same quality as the 2-8-0 & 4-8-2 with pipes
applied seperately. Most folk don't look at their current PRR K4 as being
in the same class as the others as it was just "rebadged" with a better drive.

The new P2K Mallet is a beautiful, extremely well running loco, and I expect
their soon-to-be-released 0-8-0 should be just as good (it better be, I've got
one on order...)

It's a great time to be a steam-lover. I was getting tired of trying to get old
Mantua's and Rivarossi's up to snuff... <g>

Chris Shinn
Winnipeg, Canada
Member, Renegade HO Modular Club
< http://members.xoom.com/renegade_MRC >
"If it ain't steam, it's a powered boxcar"

----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Pesce
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 4:31 PM
Subject: [HOsteam] Future of the "plastic" steam models.


From: Leo Pesce <leo@sco.com>

Hello all,

I have been away for a while from all the latest news about new and
announced
products. So I will ask here.

Is there any information on the new P2K engine?

Due to a high visibility being known to the world, would you say a P2K/Roco
GS4 (Southern Pacific Northern 4-8-4 in Daylight, American Freedom, San
Joaquin
and Black Commuter) would not be out of the question?

Here is an engine that can take four color schemes, not many can say the
same.
From a manufacturer point of view, as steam engines are concerned, this is
great. Except for the USRAs, most engines are always very railroad specific
in looks, appliances and colors. Of course a lot of them have the so called
"Fantasy Schemes", but that should be relegated to the toy section, not to
the
$100-200 engines.

Any comments?

Cheers
Leo

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