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Comparison Review of Resistance soldering handpieces

SP4149
 


 

All,

Another update on Resistance soldering equipment available for use by the model railroader.

  Previous discussions have been about products marketed by Contact Inc. (Hotip, PBL) for the electronics industry, Triton (Hotlips) for the automotive repair industry

and American Beauty for both and also plumbing, etc...  American Beauty has the widest product lineup, but many modelers,  like me, started with Hotip units.


My inventory of American Beauty and Hotip resistance soldering systems has been markedly reduced by recent sales.  I only have Hotip H-101A 200 watt systems available.


I do still have several of the Triton Hotlips handpieces available, with and without the internal On/Off switch.  They are usable with Hotip 300watt and 400 watt units and with 

American Beauty 250 watt, 500 watt and 1000 watt units, And Luma Electric Models 551 (900 watts) and 631 (2500 watts).

I am offering used Triton Hotlips tweezers (w/o On/Off switch) with carbon electrodes in working condition for $50 plus shipping.   Lightly used Triton Hotlips tweezers (with internal On/Off switch) with carbon electrodes in

excellent condition for $75 plus shipping.  These are the handpieces originally designed for the Triton transformers.


Hotip versus American Beauty Soldering tweezers.

I've taken some additional photos to show these brands of tweezers side by side.  The product names for these handpieces is highly misleading.

The AB Micro tweezers are very similar to the Hotip Heavy Duty tweezers, while the AB regular tweezers are much heavier than any of the Hotip tweezers.

Note that all of the Hotip tweezers use .040" tungsten tips while the AB regular tweezers can use 2mm (0.79") tungsten tips (aka tungsten welding rod)

which cost only 20% of the Hotip tungsten tips.


HOTIP Light Duty, Medium Duty and Heavy Duty Tweezers.  (NOTE: The major difference is the amount of cork in the handle, the tips are the same)


American Beauty Regular tweezers, HOTIP Medium Duty Tweezers and American Beauty Medium Duty  Note the more robust construction of the AB Medium Duty tweezers.

 Bonus tip for owners of the AB 10541 regular soldering tweezers, Tungsten 2mm welding rod (on right below) can be used to replace the AB copper clad stainless steel electrodes at a tremendous cost savings

(about 25 cents per electrode)

  

Since they are twice the diameter, tungsten electrodes in the AS 10541 handpieces should last four times longer than the expensive ($17 a pair) tungsten tips in the Hotip tweezers.



ken clark


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Re: Micro Mark Resistance soldering Unit Info; For Sale handpiece

Lew Phelps
 

I recently purchased one of these used tweezer sets from Ken, and I am very happy with it.  I have connected it to a high-output American Beauty transformer the I bought on eBay at a great price, and they are a delight to use.   You do need your own foot switch for the transformer, however.r. If you don’t have one, I recommend  the Temco 15 amp foot switch that is available on Amazon for $19.95 (Prime membership price) with free shipping. It fo s very solidly engineered. You do need to add your own power cord and plug and connect the transformer’s power cord to the switch as well. It has solid screw type connectors to make that task easy.

Ken is correct that you need something in the 4.5v to 6 v. Range for the carbon electrode tweezers to function properly. But at full 6 volt output they get too hot to be useful. 

Lew 




Lewis Phelps
Modeling the freelanced Ottawa & Northern Railway, set in Illinois and Wisconsin in 1953, in HO Scale

On Jul 31, 2020, at 5:17 PM, SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:

All,

Another update on Resistance soldering equipment available for use by the model railroader.

  Previous discussions have been about products marketed by Contact Inc. (Hotip, PBL) for the electronics industry, Triton (Hotlips) for the automotive repair industry

and American Beauty for both and also plumbing, etc...  American Beauty has the widest product lineup, but many modelers,  like me, started with Hotip units.

  However in recent years there has been another company providing Resistance Soldering units to modelers, Micro Mark. https://www.micromark.com/Resistance-Soldering-Unit

Their product line is somewhat deceptive as their basic starter unit is a Triton Hotlips transformer with some knockoff disposable tweezers.  Their better quality RS products however

are rebadged American Beauty products that aren't really usable with their low end Triton clone.  Both Hotip and American Beauty transformers produce about 3 volts AC at max output

for the lower wattage units modelers select.  Both brands have adjustable power outputs with either five position switches or variable transformers.  The Triton and basic Micro Mark unit

have a low voltage tap (about 3 volts) and a high voltage tap (just over 6 volts).  Triton transformers are designed for use with the Hotlips tweezers with carbon electrodes (ergonomic design).

Micro Mark doesn't offer the Hotlips tweezers, although they are much better built than their disposable tweezers with all parts replaceable.

Recently I acquired Triton Hotlips tweezers along with American Beauty handpieces, but soon found that they don't work well with lower power AB and Hotip transformers which produce only about 3 volts max.

I am looking at adapting new electrodes to the Hotlips tweezers, using brass electrode holders and tungsten  rods to make them work well around 3 volts instead of only at 6 volts.  But that is in the future and I have

 too many in stock now. 

So for owners of the Triton and Mico Mark RS units with 6 volt high tap outputs, I am offering used Triton Hotlips tweezers with carbon electrodes in working condition for $50 plus shipping.  These are the handpieces originally

designed for these transformers.


ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

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 Bonus tip for owners of the AB 10541 soldering tweezers, Tungsten 2mm welding rod (on right above) can be used to replace the AB copper clad stainless steel electrodes at a tremendous cost savings (about 25 cents per electrode)

I just got an assortment of tungsten welding rods for the AB handpieces and will include a pair of electrodes with each AB handpiece  I sell.


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HO and Sn42


Micro Mark Resistance soldering Unit Info; For Sale handpiece

SP4149
 

All,

Another update on Resistance soldering equipment available for use by the model railroader.

  Previous discussions have been about products marketed by Contact Inc. (Hotip, PBL) for the electronics industry, Triton (Hotlips) for the automotive repair industry

and American Beauty for both and also plumbing, etc...  American Beauty has the widest product lineup, but many modelers,  like me, started with Hotip units.

  However in recent years there has been another company providing Resistance Soldering units to modelers, Micro Mark. https://www.micromark.com/Resistance-Soldering-Unit

Their product line is somewhat deceptive as their basic starter unit is a Triton Hotlips transformer with some knockoff disposable tweezers.  Their better quality RS products however

are rebadged American Beauty products that aren't really usable with their low end Triton clone.  Both Hotip and American Beauty transformers produce about 3 volts AC at max output

for the lower wattage units modelers select.  Both brands have adjustable power outputs with either five position switches or variable transformers.  The Triton and basic Micro Mark unit

have a low voltage tap (about 3 volts) and a high voltage tap (just over 6 volts).  Triton transformers are designed for use with the Hotlips tweezers with carbon electrodes (ergonomic design).

Micro Mark doesn't offer the Hotlips tweezers, although they are much better built than their disposable tweezers with all parts replaceable.

Recently I acquired Triton Hotlips tweezers along with American Beauty handpieces, but soon found that they don't work well with lower power AB and Hotip transformers which produce only about 3 volts max.

I am looking at adapting new electrodes to the Hotlips tweezers, using brass electrode holders and tungsten  rods to make them work well around 3 volts instead of only at 6 volts.  But that is in the future and I have

 too many in stock now. 

So for owners of the Triton and Mico Mark RS units with 6 volt high tap outputs, I am offering used Triton Hotlips tweezers with carbon electrodes in working condition for $50 plus shipping.  These are the handpieces originally

designed for these transformers.


ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

 Bonus tip for owners of the AB 10541 soldering tweezers, Tungsten 2mm welding rod (on right above) can be used to replace the AB copper clad stainless steel electrodes at a tremendous cost savings (about 25 cents per electrode)

I just got an assortment of tungsten welding rods for the AB handpieces and will include a pair of electrodes with each AB handpiece  I sell.


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HO and Sn42


Bachmann Large 2-6-0

Vera Mills
 

Hello,
Bachmann has available a large Mogul chassis. (see attached)
Part No. is CH-G8100-1
I would like to know wheel diameter and overall wheelbase, please, as it is a candidate for kit-bashing.
Thanks.
Regards,
Glen Mills


For Sale - Hotip 200 and 300 watt Resistance Soldering units

SP4149
 

All,

  PBL has the exclusive rights to market new Contact Inc. Hotip resistance soldering units to model railroaders.  They put their own Decal on top of the Hotip nameplate.

These are the newer style units that all look the same with hard to find model numbers and the fuse holder in the back.

However Contact has more models of the Hotip units than the two PBL sells.

The Hotip H-101CD is a 100 watt wire stripping unit with NiChrome wire elements, older units yellow nameplate - PBL does not sell these

The Hotip H-303CD is a 200 watt wire stripping unit with NiChrome wire elements, newer style unit - PBL does not sell these

If you are interested in the wire stripping units please inquire via private message

The Hotip H-101A is a 200 watt, old style has a brown nameplate - PBL sells these for mostly HO modelers

The Hotip H-202 is a 300 watt, old style has a green nameplate - PBL sells these for mostly S & O modelers

Contact has four resistance soldering tweezers for these units

HOTIP TLD-TT2: Light Duty Tweezers               List Price $155

HOTIP TMD-TT2: Medium Duty Tweezers         List Price $155

HOTIP TMD-TT4-H4: Medium Duty Tweezers    List Price $180

HOTIP THD-TT4-H4: Heavy Duty Tweezers        List Price $180 


PBL sells the new Hotip units for close to $700, including the carbon probe $165 and the Tweezers $155.

A basic 200 watt Hotip unit with tweezers would be over $500, if they sold it that way without the probe.  I have used Hotip RS units for over 40 years and have used the probe 3 times.

They do not use the Contact Inc product descriptions to specify the accessories

I have for sale the following used, working Hotip resistance soldering equipment current models:

Hotip H-101A 200 watt unit (current style) with Medium duty tweezers (tungsten tips)   $ 280

Hotip H-202   300 watt unit (current style) with Heavy Duty tweezers   (tungsten tips)    $300

Hotip Light Duty tweezers (choice of tips)                                                                          $90

Hotip Medium Duty tweezers (choice of tips)                                                                     $90


I have an older 200 watt (brown label) transformer with tweezers for                                 $240


Paypal accepted with 3% fee.  Shipping USPS Priority Mail at cost.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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Re: Broadway Limited 1st vs 2nd run HO NYC J1e Hudsons/another NYC Group reply

Dave Horn
 

Thanks Frank.
Dave


Re: Broadway Limited 1st vs 2nd run HO NYC J1e Hudsons/another NYC Group reply

frank bongiovanni <bongiovanni12001@...>
 


My recollection is that there were two main electrical/control differences between the first two runs of BLI Hudsons:

  • The tender electrical pickups in the first run were not reliable, so that was redesigned for the second run.  (I think the first run used springs around the truck screws.)
  • The original run had a decoder feature (matching scale speed to specific speed steps) that MTH charged violated a patent, so that feature was removed in the second run.


Re: Broadway Limited 1st vs 2nd run HO NYC J1e Hudsons

Dave Horn
 

Interesting.  Thanks.  Perhaps the issues mentioned led to the second run of the initial Paragon (QSI Quantum) J1e's.  They sounded pretty severe not to have been addressed.
Broadway Limited Imports Discontinued Item List

Paragon NYC J1e (1st run)  
001 NYC J1e Hudson #5344 $    279.99
002 NYC J1e Hudson  #5343 $    279.99
Through #22

Paragon NYC Hudson J1e/d (2nd run - 2005)  
060 NYC J1e Hudson, #5319 w/ Roman lettering, Sound, DC/DCC, HO $    329.99
061 NYC J1e Hudson, #5335 w/ block lettering, Sound, DC/DCC, HO $   329.99
Through #74


Re: Steam electrical connector

Ken Adams
 

Dapol in the UK has announced a DCC snap fit no wire connector for tenders on RTR new steam (SECR Class D 4-4-0  with tender). This locomotive has a lot of technical innovations including a slide in and out decoder and cube speaker mounted in the smoke box (for 18 pin decoders). Just open the smoke box door (held on by tiny magnet?) and slide in the electronics.  This is for a rather small 4 mm scale locomotive.  Would make decoder speaker upgrades really easy. See https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/148319-locomotion-rails-of-sheffield-announce-secr-d-class/page/7/

Perhaps a lot of this technology can in future be transferable to North American outline steam. A plug in decoder and speaker in the smoke box would solve a host of problems with upgrading old brass particularly with Vanderbilt tenders.


Re: Steam electrical connector

Wayne Long
 


On 6/10/2020 2:18 PM, Paul Champlin wrote:
What is your favorite electrical connector to tie the tender and the locomotive together?

I make electrical connections between the locomotive and its tender in either of 2 ways:

1. My preferred way is with any locomotive whose prototype used a mechanical stoker.  I use a length of 1/8" OD tubing to represent the stoker tube and run as many as 6 wires through it.  Of course, the tender cannot be uncoupled from the locomotive even if the draw bar is dropped.  I have had few occasions when the tender needed to be separated.  The trick is to make one or both round openings (where the tubing goes into the locomotive and tender) large enough so that the tubing does not derail the tender on sharp curves.  I use prototypically close coupling of the tender to its locomotive.

2. My other method is to use a matched pair of mini connectors with the female side mounted in an opening in the front of the tender, usually below the coal deck.  With the wires between the cab and the tender painted black, it does not look too bad.

An aside:  I have one of the Proto 0-6-0 switchers which came from the factory with a multi wire connector between the locomotive and the tender.  This connector substitutes for the usual draw bar.   If I could buy a few of their connectors, I would use them on locomotives with out mechanical stokers.

Wayne





Re: Steam electrical connector

SP4149
 

I avoid all wires between the locomotive and tender.  I've seen DCC installs with a stout bundle of wires and the loco can only travel on straight track.


With analog DC is has been simple, install the PSC push together drawbar, HO-3117; when properly installed it is an extremely strong connection (won't pull apart)

and makes excellent electrical contact.  I always get a chuckle out of modelers who have problems with wireless drawbars after they paint the model

(and the drawbar, pin. bolsters, etc...)  Most brass imports have a clear coat on the drawbar and drawbar pins and tender truck bolsters from the builder.

If the clear coat is not removed the modeler blames the poor electrical connection on the drawbar.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



On 2020-06-10 11:18, Paul Champlin wrote:

What is your favorite electrical connector to tie the tender and the locomotive together?
 
I've been using the Soundtraxx DBX-9000 and frankly it is very difficult to disconnect without damaging the wires. 
 
Thanks
Paul
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Steam electrical connector

Paul Champlin
 

What is your favorite electrical connector to tie the tender and the locomotive together?

I’ve been using the Soundtraxx DBX-9000 and frankly it is very difficult to disconnect without damaging the wires. 

Thanks
Paul
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Re: Broadway Limited 1st vs 2nd run HO NYC J1e Hudsons

frank bongiovanni <bongiovanni12001@...>
 

First answer I got on the NYC group:

Frank,

 

When they first came out, several people at our HO club purchased a J-1e from them.  They sound pretty good to the couple of former NYC employees who had first-hand experience with them, but they ran poorly, and their driving wheels fell off.    Yeah, I know that sounds preposterous, but that’s what happened to one of them.  The other wheels lost square (i.e. became eccentric on their axels) and walked drunkenly along the track.    

 

Also they were fitted with QSI decoders that were mildly incompatible with our NCE system.  They worked, but were a pain to deal with if they needed any programming adjustments.  

 

Finally, for me whose J-1e is a Mizuno (Japanese brass), they were almost toy-like in their infidelity to the prototype.   They were so poor, in my opinion, that for a long time I wouldn’t countenance a plastic steamer in my roster.  

 

Because I have not seen one of their more recent J-1e models, I can’t make a head-to-head comparison.  

 

There are a few BLI engines at our club, and I own one of their Mikados.   It’s lettered for Lehigh Valley, but it’s not really a model of a Lehigh Valley Mikado which looked very different from this model.   Alas, so few today really pay attention to having a faithful model that BLI and others make generic models lettered for everything they think they can sell.  And, when you look at the investment necessary to bring a model to market, it does make financial sense to do that.  

 

Hope this helps a little,


Re: Broadway Limited 1st vs 2nd run HO NYC J1e Hudsons

Dave Horn
 

That's a great idea and fine with me.   They're a great group of NYC enthusiasts and experts.  Let us know what they say.  Thanks. 


Re: Broadway Limited 1st vs 2nd run HO NYC J1e Hudsons

Paul Champlin
 

Yes, please. Great idea.
Paul


Re: Broadway Limited 1st vs 2nd run HO NYC J1e Hudsons

frank bongiovanni <bongiovanni12001@...>
 

Since no one has chirped in, okay if I forward this question to an NYCSHS list?  Someone there might have an opinion.

Frank Bongiovanni


Update on Resistance Soldering Equipment

SP4149
 

All,

  Since my last sale notice I  had several inquiries and some purchases, thank you.

I also found out some important information about some of the commonly available systems I had listed.

First the nicely made Triton PTH Hot Lips tweezers with Carbon Electrodes require a transformer with 6-6.5 volts AC output.

If they are equipped with the optional R12188 - Soldering Tip, they work best with 3-3.2 volts AC output.

Below is a table of output voltages for the most common PBL/Hotip/Contact Inc. transformers:

Resistance Soldering Unit Wattage Voltage
HOTIP    Low         High  
H-101 CD 100? 0.2 0.9 1.1 1.3 1.6
             
H-101 A 200 1.6 1.9 2.3 3.0 3.8
             
New Style H-101 A 200 1.6 1.9 2.4 3.0 4.0
             
H-202 300 2.4 2.6 3.0 3.4 4.0
             
New Style  H-303 CD ? 0.2 0.6 1.1 1.5 1.8
             
New Style - H-505 400 0.8 1.7 2.6 3.5 4.4
 
None of these are usable with the Triton Hot Lips tweezers with the carbon electrodes.  I will be updating the excel spreadsheet
I shared two weeks ago with this new information.  Note the installation of the Triton  R12188 - Soldering Tip makes these tweezers 
usable several of the larger Hotip units.
 
Only the American Beauty 500 watt RS unit (max AC output 6 volts) and the AB 1000 watt RS unit (max AC output 6.9  volts)  will
work with the Triton Hot Lips Carbon electrode tweezers without modification.  
 
I have some footswitch versions (no on/off switch in tweezers) without electrodes for sale at $25 plus shipping. 
If you have some basic milling skills, you can make your own electrode holders out of brass to fit in the tweezers,
Just like the Triton  R12188 - Soldering Tip below bottom right

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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UP 4-12-2 movie

frank bongiovanni <bongiovanni12001@...>
 

Indirectly about HO steam.  Years ago I saw a movie (I think Blackhawk, possibly Sunday River)entitled Pacing UP Steam in Nebraska.  It showed ongoing film of a UP 4-8-2 and a 4-12-2.  I haven't been able to find it on film or video since then.  By any chance does anyone have a copy that they would be willing to sell or have scanned??  

I said indirectly; watching that 4-12-2 from the side at speed got me obsessed with the locomotive until I got the model (an ancient LMB).

Frank Bongiovanni


Re: For Sale - Resistance Soldering equipment

Ken Clark
 

Mark,
  Send me a photo of your damaged tweezers.  I have a couple of light duty Hotip tweezers missing collets that might be enough to restore your damaged one.
Hotip makes about six versions that PBL sells, major difference is in the collets/tips on the handpieces..
No problem selling you the complete unit as well.

ken

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From: M. A. Eden via groups.io <edenma@...>
To: HO-Steam@groups.io; ken@...
Sent: Sun, May 17, 2020 11:21 am
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] For Sale - Resistance Soldering equipment

Ken:

I will take this unit if it is still available.  Again, all I really need are the tweezers but it never hurts to have a couple of spare transformers!

Working 200W unit, excellent condition, with foot switch, Hotip tweezers.   $195

Cheers!

Mark

On May 16, 2020, at 00:57, SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:


After the recent discussion on resistance soldering; I dug deep into my workshop
and found some interesting extras and orphans...

I have Hotip 200 watt units - used, working, with and without handpieces.

PBL sells the new Hotip units for close to $700, including the carbon probe $165 and the Tweezers $155.
 
This is the list of available resistance soldering units.  Shipping is extra.

Working 200W unit, good condition, with foot switch, no handpiece$125

Working 200W unit, excellent condition, with foot switch, no handpiece $145
 
Working 200W unit,excellent condition with foot switch, except shaft of selector switch broken in transit, repair or replace rotary selector switch $70

Working 
300W unit, grunge condition, with foot switch, Hotip tweezers. $225

Working 200W unit, excellent condition, with foot switch, Hotip tweezers.   $195
 
American Beauty Resistance soldering list
 
I also have some used, good condition, American Beauty Fixed Dual Probe Style Handpieces for $65 (Note:
the taper pin terminals have to be replaced with ring terminals to use with the Hotip units)
 
Working 100 watt transformer with taper pin terminal dual tip handpiece  $125
Working 250 watt transformer with taper pin terminal dual tip handpiece  $195
 
WASSCO(AB) 500 watt transformer with taper pin terminal dual tip handpiece  $255
 
Working 1000 watt (350W, 650 watt selector) ring terminals
                   with HD carbon clamp tweezers for copper pipe up to 1"                 $245
 
 

 
Procraft Electric Soldering Machine 1000 watt two leads, no handpieces, untested $200
 
Shipping USPS Priority Mail based on actual package weight and destination address
Credit cards accepted thru Paypal with 3% fee added.

I send a Paypal invoice for records purposes,
you can pay by check or money order and deduct the 3% Paypal fee
 

 In addition to the soldering handpieces I posted earlier
I have a variety of RS transformers available, private email for complete listing

I have Hotip 200 watt units and 300 watt units - used, working, with and without handpieces.
These are the older style units with brown (200watt) and green (300watt) labels
PBL sells the new Hotip units for close to $700, including the carbon probe $165 and the Tweezers $155.

American Beauty /Wasco Resistance soldering units

Working 100 watt /250 watt transformers with taper pin terminals and adjustible output
WASCO(AB) 500 watt transformer with taper pin terminal 

Working Wasco1000 watt (350W, 650 watt selector) ring terminals
with HD carbon clamp tweezers for copper pipe up to 1" $245

Procraft Electric Soldering Machine 1000 watt two leads, no handpieces, untested $200

Shipping USPS Priority Mail based on actual package weight and destination address
Credit cards accepted thru Paypal with 3% fee added.
I send a Paypal invoice for records purposes,
you can pay by check or money order and deduct the 3% Paypal fee

ken clark
www.shastasprings.com

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