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Re: [GilbertHOtrains] A well deserved thanks to Bob.

al45390
 

Thank you Ken & Bob. Thank you very sincerely. 

Walter


On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:31 PM SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:

Back in the summer of 2017 Bob Chapparo alerted many of us to both the upcoming end of Yahoo Groups as we knew it then and the new alternative, groups.io created by Mark Fletcher;

one of the early designers of these lists.  As the death cackles of Yahoo Groups fade into history, we can in gratitude reflect on how much time trouble and effort Bob saved so many of us.

At the time I was owner of a small group, HO Steam and moderator  of a larger group, Repower and Regear.  Researching what Bob  had provided us: the reasons for the failing support of

the lists on Yahoo Groups and a viable alternative, groups.io provided a path forward.  To placehold the names of the two lists I managed, I created lists in groups.io with the same names.


However, like many lists in YG, Repower and Regear, had an absentee, inattentive owner,  AS moderator I was not able to transfef the list.  It wasn't until several months later that I found the list owner

who had become dis-satisfied with YG.  He made me a co-owner and In Jan 2018 I polled the list members about my plans to move the list.  Most were supportive having grown frustrated by

YG's poor support of the lists.  A few were loyalist YG users and accused me of trying to steal the list, even though I had been moderator for seventeen years.  I was to hear similar accusations

from YG list owners and subscribers to this very day.


  But Bob had set a fine example and I perservered and the move of RepowerAndRegear was and continues to be a success.  I was vilified by a small group who believed in YG's future,

some quit my lists, some banned me from their lists, and through it all Bob continued his positive support of those moving from YG to groups.io.  For me he was the trail blazer.  The succcess of the RnR

move was quickly noted and my assistance was requested to help with moving other lists.  I helped all who asked.  In some cases my offers of assistance created brief flame wars between sparring

owners/moderators; many of those lists delayed conversion until after the free group transfer had ended.  By the end I had moved over 20 lists, some Railroad themed, some not. 

All the moves were successful and the lists retained their Basic (Free) status.  All this time Bob was continuing to provide support to those of us trying to avoid the impending YG collapse.


  Those of us who moved lists from YG to GIO have received ample thanks from list subscribers while also receiving slings and arrows from the unwilling to adapt.  We have been adequately

acknowledged within our lists.  However without Bob to shine a light forward, the path would have been far more difficult.


From one, for many, THANKS Bob

A well deserved thanks to Bob.

SP4149
 

Back in the summer of 2017 Bob Chapparo alerted many of us to both the upcoming end of Yahoo Groups as we knew it then and the new alternative, groups.io created by Mark Fletcher;

one of the early designers of these lists.  As the death cackles of Yahoo Groups fade into history, we can in gratitude reflect on how much time trouble and effort Bob saved so many of us.

At the time I was owner of a small group, HO Steam and moderator  of a larger group, Repower and Regear.  Researching what Bob  had provided us: the reasons for the failing support of

the lists on Yahoo Groups and a viable alternative, groups.io provided a path forward.  To placehold the names of the two lists I managed, I created lists in groups.io with the same names.


However, like many lists in YG, Repower and Regear, had an absentee, inattentive owner,  AS moderator I was not able to transfef the list.  It wasn't until several months later that I found the list owner

who had become dis-satisfied with YG.  He made me a co-owner and In Jan 2018 I polled the list members about my plans to move the list.  Most were supportive having grown frustrated by

YG's poor support of the lists.  A few were loyalist YG users and accused me of trying to steal the list, even though I had been moderator for seventeen years.  I was to hear similar accusations

from YG list owners and subscribers to this very day.


  But Bob had set a fine example and I perservered and the move of RepowerAndRegear was and continues to be a success.  I was vilified by a small group who believed in YG's future,

some quit my lists, some banned me from their lists, and through it all Bob continued his positive support of those moving from YG to groups.io.  For me he was the trail blazer.  The succcess of the RnR

move was quickly noted and my assistance was requested to help with moving other lists.  I helped all who asked.  In some cases my offers of assistance created brief flame wars between sparring

owners/moderators; many of those lists delayed conversion until after the free group transfer had ended.  By the end I had moved over 20 lists, some Railroad themed, some not. 

All the moves were successful and the lists retained their Basic (Free) status.  All this time Bob was continuing to provide support to those of us trying to avoid the impending YG collapse.


  Those of us who moved lists from YG to GIO have received ample thanks from list subscribers while also receiving slings and arrows from the unwilling to adapt.  We have been adequately

acknowledged within our lists.  However without Bob to shine a light forward, the path would have been far more difficult.


From one, for many, THANKS Bob


ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

For Sale - Southern Pacific HO Scale Power For the Grade, Steam and Diesel

SP4149
 

SD40T-2 Tunnel Motors -  Each model listed below is in excellent condition, test run, for sale at $165 plus shipping.

Rivet Counter Scale Trains

  • Southern Pacific SD40T-2  DCC Ready 8307 SXT31057 Scarlet & Gray  AS Delivered
  • Southern Pacific SD40T-2  DCC Ready 8320 SXT31059 Scarlet & Gray  AS Delivered
  • Southern Pacific SD40T-2  DCC Ready 8558 SXT31067 Scarlet & Gray  '1980s Era'


 

Flat Face Cab Forwards - Each model listed below is in excellent condition, test run, for sale at $350 plus shipping.

Broadway Limited AC-5s

  • Southern Pacific AC-5 #4120 flat face with Quantum Sound
  • Southern Pacific AC-5 FP unlettered flat face with Quantum Sound


MTH  AC-6s

  • Southern Pacific Lines AC-6 #4126  original flat face cab with Proto Sound 3
  • Southern Pacific Lines AC-6 #4144  modern bow face cab with Proto Sound 3


Buy a second loco get a 10% discount on lower priced loco.  USPS Shipping at actual cost. 

Paypal accepted for a 3% fee

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

 

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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: TEST!!

Ken Clark
 

Bob,
  The lists have  been hibernating during the YG shutdown it seems.
After New Years I think we will see a resurgence

ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Macklin <macklinbob@q.com>
To: HO-Steam <HO-Steam@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 12:28 pm
Subject: [HO-Steam] TEST!!

I'm not receiving anything???

Bob Macklin
Seattle, Wa

TEST!!

Bob Macklin
 

I'm not receiving anything???

Bob Macklin
Seattle, Wa

For Sale - SP Flat Face Cab Fowards

SP4149
 

I have begun to downsize some duplicate locos, Each model listed below is in excellent condition, test run, for sale at $350 plus shipping.

Broadway Limited AC-5s

  • Southern Pacific AC-5 #4120 flat face with Quantum Sound
  • Southern Pacific AC-5 FP unlettered flat face with Quantum Sound


MTH  AC-6s

  • Southern Pacific Lines AC-6 #4126  original flat face cab with Proto Sound 3
  • Southern Pacific Lines AC-6 #4144  modern bow face cab with Proto Sound 3


Buy a second loco get a 10% discount.  USPS Shipping at actual cost. 

Paypal accepted for a 3% fee

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

SP4149
 

Ed,

  On my other list, RepowerAndRegear, we have been using four magnet, six pole 12 pole square motors to solve many repowering problems.  The square profile

allows them to fit in many places where a less powerful can motor will not.  For most medium size HO locos, the 18mm square motor is more powerful than a Sagami 2032

can motor but runs about 30% slower.  The 15mm square motors are not only more than twice as powerful as a Sagami 1630, but run 50% slower. 

In many cases superior low speed performance can be achieved without replacing the OEM gearing.  This last summer I replaced the old 12 volt universal motor in my 

AC Gilbert Hudson with an 18mm square motor.  Even though the new motor is slower, the extra power easily drove the loco and chuff mechanism, smoother operation, lower

current draw and quieter.  It was obvious that the OEM motor was running slow because it was overloaded.  Repowering these old models, which some of us got for Christmas,

is rewarding.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



On 2019-12-02 07:38, Ed via Groups.Io wrote:

Frank --

I love your photo collection of Camelbacks! Thanks for posting.

I grew up in Dunellen, NJ, location of the CNJ engine terminal and coach yard 26 miles from Jersey City. Mom would take my brother and I to the station in the evenings to pick up my dad who was a union electrician working mostly in New York City, and therein the origin of my love for the CNJ and those wonderful hulking, steaming, hissing Camelback 4-6-0s that brought dad home to the family!

As a little kid, I went for my lungs with my allowance savings and purchased one of the Aristo 4-6-0s back in the early 60's. In college and afterwards as a business heavy traveler, I never had the time or space for model railroading but now in retirement I want to bring back Dunellen and its Camelbacks, so I've acquired via eBay a collection of mostly broken Aristo 4-6-0s and am seeking to restore two or three to running condition.

My question for you is whether and how you might have re-powered yours. As you know, the original Aristo motors were open frame, mounted vertically. Their "height" above the diecast frame surface was just 27 mm  - a tad over 1 inch. So while I originally thought I'd replace the motor with a re-positioned can driving the lead drive axle rather than the original driven axle #3, upon evaluating that change, it would require machining a new opening for a gearbox. It would also require altering how the boiler would be attached to the chassis, since a new motor shaft/gearbox would be in the way of the original mounting screw and receptacle inside the boiler. Moving that boiler mounting screw location aft might not be possible because it might interfere with axle #2.

So, all things considered, I thought it would be easier and more practical to replace the original motor with a can motor mounted vertically with the worm directly engaging the original geared axle. That said, given the concave interior shape of the firebox area, there really isn't 27 mm of vertical space above the frame surface. I might get away with a 25 mm motor (with plastic end cap removed) but that seems pretty small in terms of power & torque.

Being very familiar with this particular model, I wonder if you had any thoughts or experience on re-motoring it. In any case, thanks for the great pictures!

Best,
Ed


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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

Ed
 

Frank --

I love your photo collection of Camelbacks! Thanks for posting.

I grew up in Dunellen, NJ, location of the CNJ engine terminal and coach yard 26 miles from Jersey City. Mom would take my brother and I to the station in the evenings to pick up my dad who was a union electrician working mostly in New York City, and therein the origin of my love for the CNJ and those wonderful hulking, steaming, hissing Camelback 4-6-0s that brought dad home to the family!

As a little kid, I went for my lungs with my allowance savings and purchased one of the Aristo 4-6-0s back in the early 60's. In college and afterwards as a business heavy traveler, I never had the time or space for model railroading but now in retirement I want to bring back Dunellen and its Camelbacks, so I've acquired via eBay a collection of mostly broken Aristo 4-6-0s and am seeking to restore two or three to running condition.

My question for you is whether and how you might have re-powered yours. As you know, the original Aristo motors were open frame, mounted vertically. Their "height" above the diecast frame surface was just 27 mm  - a tad over 1 inch. So while I originally thought I'd replace the motor with a re-positioned can driving the lead drive axle rather than the original driven axle #3, upon evaluating that change, it would require machining a new opening for a gearbox. It would also require altering how the boiler would be attached to the chassis, since a new motor shaft/gearbox would be in the way of the original mounting screw and receptacle inside the boiler. Moving that boiler mounting screw location aft might not be possible because it might interfere with axle #2.

So, all things considered, I thought it would be easier and more practical to replace the original motor with a can motor mounted vertically with the worm directly engaging the original geared axle. That said, given the concave interior shape of the firebox area, there really isn't 27 mm of vertical space above the frame surface. I might get away with a 25 mm motor (with plastic end cap removed) but that seems pretty small in terms of power & torque.

Being very familiar with this particular model, I wonder if you had any thoughts or experience on re-motoring it. In any case, thanks for the great pictures!

Best,
Ed

Re: Silvine 0-4-0t New One Japan locomotive

toptrain2100
 

Another spare loco Silvine 0-4-0 saddle tanker I had was remade into a Reading locomotive

Re: Silvine 0-4-0t New One Japan locomotive

toptrain2100
 

   Over the years with this Silvine 0-4-0t showing up a lot at train shown I was able to get a few more at low prices. They are excellent running locs and being made of all metal they do pull well for a 0-4-0 type. I took two of the ones i have and repainted them for the C.R.R.of N.J. as their #14 Hornet and #15 Wasp. The real locos were also saddle tankers of a earlier style. Here are my Hornet and Wasp.
frank

Re: Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts

prgm_mgr
 

For what it's worth I used a milling bit in my drill press without any problems. Just go slow and don't try to hog off too much material at a time. 

The lathe picture seems to have the grinding part on the end, maybe for grinding lathe tool bits. Doesn't seem designed for milli work.

Mark

Re: Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts

Victor Bitleris
 

It looks like it is plastic and it calls itself a wood turning lathe.  Yes, it says metal grinding, which probably means you can put a grinding wheel or grinding tool (like Dremel) and grind metal to sharpen chisels and drill bits.  But I doubt it would hold up much for metal milling.  You would be better off with a Harbor Freight table top drill press for milling.  Yes, drill presses aren't made for milling, but should be fine for the kind of work we do.
Just my 2 cents.  I also have a Taig and the milling attachment, but that doesn't mean it is an easy job, you still have to use the file to finish it off.

Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC


From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of Ed via Groups.Io <epts2@...>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 11:43 AM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io>
Subject: [HO-Steam] Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts
 
Hi All --

In order to re-power a couple of old diecast locomotives, I need to change the geared axle from the rearmost to the front or maybe middle driver axle.

That would involve opening up a slot for a gearbox in a new position as seen in the image below. So, my question is... does anyone think this hobbyist  multi tool would be able to do the job cleanly and accurately enough?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-in-1-Mini-Wood-Lathe-for-Metal-Grinding-Woodworking-Hobby-DIY-Tool-AC-100-240V-/352111927072

I don't suppose

Many thanks for your thoughts.
Ed

Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts

Ed
 

Hi All --

In order to re-power a couple of old diecast locomotives, I need to change the geared axle from the rearmost to the front or maybe middle driver axle.

That would involve opening up a slot for a gearbox in a new position as seen in the image below. So, my question is... does anyone think this hobbyist  multi tool would be able to do the job cleanly and accurately enough?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-in-1-Mini-Wood-Lathe-for-Metal-Grinding-Woodworking-Hobby-DIY-Tool-AC-100-240V-/352111927072

I don't suppose

Many thanks for your thoughts.
Ed

FS – HO DCC Ready Spectrum UP 2-8-0 Locomotive and UP Caboose

dandrewscan
 

 

Good Day Folks – Please look at these items and email me directly at dandrews1@... with your interest and Zip Code for a shipping estimate.

These two items are being sold together as a set – If you would like a photo I will be pleased to email to you.  Please send me your address offlist.

Here is a description of the loco and caboose:

One HO Bachmann Spectrum Baldwin 2-8-0 Locomotive and tender.  This DCC ready unit is factory painted in Union Pacific livery and has road number 721.  The unit has been test run only as I do not have a layout and it is packed in factory original box with foam and all instruction sheets.  Kadee compatible EZ Mate couplers are installed.
 

One matching Athearn Union Pacific Caboose.  Unit is factory painted and completely built up.  Kadee couplers are installed. 

The price for the set of two items is 80 US$ plus actual shipping cost to your location.

General l Information

I am located in Eastern Canada.  Shipping Method, Tracking and Insurance is the buyer's choice and those costs and the price of the items are the buyer's responsibility to pay in full to the seller prior to shipment.  My experience is the Post Office is the cheapest method.
 

All prices are in US Dollars.  Payment is to be made by personal check mailed to me.  Sorry, I do not take PayPal.  I ship once your check clears my bank which usually takes only a few days.  Typical post office delivery from my location to Canada or the US 48 states is 5 business days.  Any applicable taxes or duties of any kind for delivery to your location are the buyer’s responsibility to pay in full directly to the relevant jurisdiction.

To get you a quote on shipping costs please contact me directly by email with your interest and shipping address including ZIP or Postal Code at dandrews1@...

Thank you in advance for your interest in this sale opportunity.

Best Regards,  Doug Andrews

Re: Remotoring WSM articulateds.

John Hagen
 

Not only are they articulated but they are basically diesels dressed up to look like a steam engine. The rear engine, which is rigid in the prototype and on almost all brass and all Bowser Challengers and Big Boys. Starting with the AHM/Rivarossi articulateds, it seems all “modern” articulated models have rear engines swivel just like they do on a diesel, a set up that would be impossible on the prototypes. I’ve been told I am a throwback to the dark ages but I always believed that prototype is prototype and not prototype is, well, not per a true prototype. I do understand the reasoning behind all the foolbies out there but any reference to these models should clearly state what makes the model unworkable as a prototype. To those who claim it really isn’t that noticeable obviously never looked at one on a curve.

So far as your situation, while a Trix (Athearn, Rivarossi or whatever plastic articulated except Mantua’s 2-6-6-2) Big Boy will negotiate a 30” radius curve, if someone were to bring down his/her highly detailed (and very expensive) brass Big boy, he (or she) just may not be able to run it.

For what it’s worth.

John Hagen

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io On Behalf Of George Galyon via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 1:09 PM
To: SP4149 <ken@...>; HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Remotoring WSM articulateds.

 

I absolutely would like to see this web page created.. your web page is one of my favorites.   One question re the 36" radius requirement...Our club regularly runs Big Boys (Trix ) through 30" curves with no running problems at all.  I don't know if any of the drivers are blind but I can easily find out.  And I can measure the lateral "play" also.  I also run an Westside 4-4-6-4 thru the same 30" curves (I removed the cab-to-tender short failure mode) without any running problems although I do worry about excessive wear on the gear train.  But the 4-4-6-4 is a uni-frame whereas the big boys and the 4-8-8-2s  are articulated (aren't they?).  

  

Re: Remotoring WSM articulateds.

SP4149
 

George,

These large articulateds had one rigid frame engine directly attached to the boiler. and one articulated engine swinging under neath the boiler/smokebox.

Many low cost plastic/diecast models included the Broadway Limited and MTH SP Cab Forwards do not have a rigid frame engine, instead both sets of drivers

pivot under the boiler allowing these large articulateds to go around much tighter curves.


The WSM AC-4 had twin idler gearboxes with the motor shaft drivetrain up in the boiler.  The gearboxes were on the second axle of each engine.  The articulated

pivot point was at the end of the rigid frame engine.  Since the gearbox extended up into the shell, the swing of the articulated engine interferred with the shell.  By

moving the gearbox a scale 6 feet closer to the pivot point, a smaller turning radius was achieved (about 30" radius) on later WSM cab forwards.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



On 2019-09-19 11:09, George Galyon via Groups.Io wrote:

I absolutely would like to see this web page created.. your web page is one of my favorites.   One question re the 36" radius requirement...Our club regularly runs Big Boys (Trix ) through 30" curves with no running problems at all.  I don't know if any of the drivers are blind but I can easily find out.  And I can measure the lateral "play" also.  I also run an Westside 4-4-6-4 thru the same 30" curves (I removed the cab-to-tender short failure mode) without any running problems although I do worry about excessive wear on the gear train.  But the 4-4-6-4 is a uni-frame whereas the big boys and the 4-8-8-2s  are articulated (aren't they?).  

  


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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: Remotoring WSM articulateds.

George Galyon
 

I absolutely would like to see this web page created.. your web page is one of my favorites.   One question re the 36" radius requirement...Our club regularly runs Big Boys (Trix ) through 30" curves with no running problems at all.  I don't know if any of the drivers are blind but I can easily find out.  And I can measure the lateral "play" also.  I also run an Westside 4-4-6-4 thru the same 30" curves (I removed the cab-to-tender short failure mode) without any running problems although I do worry about excessive wear on the gear train.  But the 4-4-6-4 is a uni-frame whereas the big boys and the 4-8-8-2s  are articulated (aren't they?).  

  

Remotoring WSM articulateds.

SP4149
 

All,

  I've been thinking about creating a web page on upgrading a WSM ESPEE AC-4 4-8-8-2.  As delivered these models had the following 'faults'

  • Required large radius curves, greater than 36"
  • Had a large open frame motor with higher current draw
  • Had the longer AC-6 cab which was noticeable when parked next to newer AC-4s like the BLI AC-4s
  • Had a somewhat noisy drive train with flimsy bearing support and half a universal
  • When lifted off the track the articulated engine would disconnect from the drive train to the rigid engine.

The web page would show how I overcame all five issues.

If there is interest I will also show how this is the easiest WSM/KTM 4-8-8-2 to convert to double motors.

Would this be of interest to any on the list?

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
Edited

Some other camelbacks I photographed yesterday on my sons layout
.
This is a Aristo-Craft CNJ 4-6-0 camelback. It is all die cast white metal and was prone to corrosion. his is one of my engines. it is one of two the are still operating.






A second view of the Aristo 4-6-0. next is a CNJ K1 4-8-0 scratch built by my son Steve. Next a second look at the CNK K1 with the Aristo 4-6-0 behind it. next is a stock Mantua 2-8-0 in Reading paint. After that a kitbashed 2-8-0 camelback one of My sons locos. Another of Steve's Locs a 2-6-0 camelback he kitbashed. 

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
Edited

John in the days of steam water towers were a necessity. The one you took note of was used as a advertisement for the little people of layout land.