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Aristo-Craft Ho steam Locomotives ( the diecast white metal ones.)

toptrain2100
 
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Aristo-Craft sold a line of HO steam locomotives that were made in Japan by The New One Model Toy company. This was a importing, distribution, and sales company for these made in Japan HO steam locomotives. Information on this line of trains and just about all other is "Hoseeker". Which can easily be searched and viewed on line. They had 2 Aristo-Craft catalogs to view online. A 1958 catalog which covered their then line of HO locomotives all of which were either early brass locos from Japan of the Rivarossi line of steam locomotives with plastic bodies. Hoseeker also has the Aristo-Craft 1962 catalog on view which covers this line of die Cast white metal locomotives that I speak of here. Now I have the 1963 catalog which they, Hoseeker does not have. It shows the same line of trains as does the 1962 catalog but displayed in this catalog differently. I don't have a complete set of Model railroader magazines, but do have 2 important issues they being November 1961 page 13, and December 1961 page 23. The November ad show the complete line of locomotive types but not all road names the locos were available in. The December add only shows 9 locomotives. 12 different locomotives make up this line. A CB&Q 0-4-0 switcher with a small slope back tender is the littlest. Next would be the 0-6-0t saddle tank locomotive. Ths loco was made in different road names. The 2 I have are PRR and B&O. The next is a rare bird of a locomotive, The Philadelphia and Reading 4-2-2 "Bicycle" locomotive. The next another rare type is the 2-4-2 Columbia. It is letterend for the Baldwin Locomotive Company as it was the first of its type made and lettered this way for display at the current World's Fair, the 1893 Columbian Exposition that gave its name to this type wheel arrangement. Next is the Rogers 2-6-0, another old timer which with always the identical locomotive only the road name on the tender was different. I know of  5 different road names.  The Philadelphia and Reading, the Chicago and Rock Island, Camden and Amboy, UP and CP. The next would be a 0-8-0 type made for the Ashland Coal and Iron Company. after this one is a 2-8-0 type of the New York, New Haven, and Hartford RR. After this one is the last with a 2 wheel lead truck the Mikado 2-8-2 The Frisco in four road numbers i know of 4005, 4013, 4028, 4105. Other locos with 4 wheel lead trucks are the Atlantic 4-4-2 type in B&O maybe other road names for this locomotive was also sold by the HO train Co. Then a 4-6-0 ten wheeler the Royal Blue of the B&O. A second different 4-6-0 with a larger boiler also in B&O and ICRR. Last is the Mountain type 4-8-2. I have it in New Haven RR and seen it in C&O. These locomotives were sold from 1961 to 1967 and still available after that till the supply on hand ran out.


PFE Reefers for sale.

roblmclear
 

I have six Intermountain PFE reefers in the coloured double herald scheme, they are new and apart from one being photographed have never been out of the boxes.   I am asking $40 Aus ea for them or $220 Aus for all six.   Postage will be actual cost and no handling fee.    These are brand new and in excellent condition refer to the pictures for the numbers.   Would prefer not to split them up and sell as a lot, if not sold in a few days will be posted on eBay.

Rob McLear
Australia.


For Sale

roblmclear
 

Hello

I have two Genesis Steam Loco's for sale, Union Pacific FEF3 4-8-4 Black and Graphite scheme which has had the oversized side rod screws replaced with some from an Athearn Challenger and gives it a more prototypical look $350 Australian also have a Genesis Challenger Union Pacific, also in the Black and Graphite scheme $400 Australian.   Both have DCC and sound and both run well.

Rob McLear
Australia.


Re: 4-8-8-4 Drivers or for that matter a 4-10-2 ....

SP4149
 

Mark,

Most Japanese made HO scale cab forwards will traverse 36" radius curves.  The one notable exception was the WSM AC-4/5 imports

which had the trailing gearbox on the 6th axle instead of the 5th axle as other WSM/KTM imports of the time.  Even then it is possible to

modify the engine to get it around 32-36" radius curves.  Of course the older Akane and most of the plastic cab forward models could go around

much  sharper curves.  

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



On 2018-10-21 07:38, Mark Cartwright via Groups.Io wrote:

BTW....
The 8x16 HO Scale Layout as seen in the picture above has at best 36 inch radius curves.
Yet, I bought with it on the very same day, an HO Scale Brass Cab Forward, manufactured around 1965, the same time as John Allen't Open Letter.
Done the Math yet?
I do not yet know what it will take or need into a curve but I suspect at least a 44 inch radius and perhaps as wide as 56 inches; with an actual train behind it.
Meaning...The above layout began to fall apart as I moved it...No matter, I was to rebuild it anyway with much wider curves.
To me...
The whole purpose of a layout is to run Cab Forwards.
For I saw one once in 1955, though the widow of my Parents Black and Pink Buick; with Port Holes on the side....> I hit the automatic transmission lever on the column as I crawled up to press my face against the window...Oops! My father never could get it to run right after that, and we soon traded it in on a 1957 Chevy with Tail Fins !


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ken clark
HO and Sn42


Re: 4-8-8-4 Drivers or for that matter a 4-10-2 ....

Mark Cartwright
 

BTW....
The 8x16 HO Scale Layout as seen in the picture above has at best 36 inch radius curves.
Yet, I bought with it on the very same day, an HO Scale Brass Cab Forward, manufactured around 1965, the same time as John Allen't Open Letter.
Done the Math yet?
I do not yet know what it will take or need into a curve but I suspect at least a 44 inch radius and perhaps as wide as 56 inches; with an actual train behind it.
Meaning...The above layout began to fall apart as I moved it...No matter, I was to rebuild it anyway with much wider curves.
To me...
The whole purpose of a layout is to run Cab Forwards.
For I saw one once in 1955, though the widow of my Parents Black and Pink Buick; with Port Holes on the side....> I hit the automatic transmission lever on the column as I crawled up to press my face against the window...Oops! My father never could get it to run right after that, and we soon traded it in on a 1957 Chevy with Tail Fins !


Re: 4-8-8-4 Drivers or for that matter a 4-10-2 ....

Mark Cartwright
 

Maybe a direct link from the G&D Site, would have been better.
http://gdlines.info/NMRA-19650400-015-300_40.jpg
I am still learning.
Mark


Re: Drivers

Doug Harris
 

On 20/10/2018 18:42, Patrick Egan wrote:
It would be nice if the letter from John Allen were readable.
Pat Egan
Try this - it's the best I can get out of it in Photoshop..

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Cheers.
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Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand


Re: Drivers

Patrick Egan
 

It would be nice if the letter from John Allen were readable.
Pat Egan


Re: Drivers

Mark Cartwright
 

Jon,
Since you are a NMRA Life Member, and I have been model railroading on and off since 1959.....
Could it be ....
Cause the NMRA has not specifically set up manufacturing/supply criteria to the Producers/Manufacturers/Suppliers of our Hobby?
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I have several theories on why this has never happened...however; I am speaking directly to a Open Letter from the venerable John Allen, who wondered why the NMRA does not seek out Prototype Standards.


From 1965?
Yeah...and I hadn't even started N Scale yet.
Duh Me? and here is where I am about to give the NMRA some slack....
I did not fully understand what John Allen was speaking till at least 2015 myself, when I ventured to run a Brass ATSF 2-10-4 myself over 19 Inch Track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwu7ydD4Bw
After viewing this video and other published thoughts and criteria, I got lazy myself and simply went to Commercially (readily) available 28" Radius Kato Unitrack.   Yes, I Forrest Gumped my way into using broader curves.
Okay...28" Radius Works Good.... What else do I need to know? 
How about a longer turnout which can also access the long tender, especially with DCC/Sound... (also accomplished).
===
In my not so humble opinion...
This is the correct direction for the NMRA:
https://www.nmra.org/sites/default/files/standards/sandrp/pdf/rp-11_2017.04.08.pdf
Just chagrinned to say....
These NMRA Specifications (Class Q) were not published until AFTER, I had already decided to begin to adopt Prototype Standards in 2015.

Yet...Duh Me?
Only took me 50+ years of Model Railroading to begin to see the light.

Mark 

I found myself saying...
Well first off they are not Toy Trains...I endeavor to model a railroad, using BNSF Specifications.
Mighty Tall Talk for a guy who has 22 Totes of Model Railroad Supplies stacked-up in his Covered Patio...and not yet put into use on a Layout.


Re: Drivers

Ken Clark
 

Rob,
  If you swap out the first and fifth drivers on your six, you would have at least three without traction tires and then you might find that models with four traction tires might had decent resale value.

When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921



-----Original Message-----
From: roblmclear <rob.mclear@...>
To: HO-Steam <HO-Steam@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2018 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Drivers

Thanks for the information guys but I do not want to have traction tires on any loco on the layout, they do cause problems with keeping the track clean, and I my opinion somewhat stress out the drive train but that is only my opinion.   I have contacted BLI and they do not have any replacements have been in touch with them on several occasions.   I do have three of the earlier 2-10-2's but the bearings are different from the later versions.    (Pictures attached the set on the left is from the first run the set on the right is from the second) I don't want to use bullfrog snot either as that is just replacing one method with another, the aim being to have normal tread drivers on all axles.   With 3 of the earlier versions and six of the later 2-10-2's I need to be able to get all of them without traction tires, why BLI did not include a non traction tired driver with the second run is beyond my ken.   It would have been the obvious thing to do given the fact they did it on the first run.   I have also been in touch with Greenway products and Bowser but neither of those seem to be able to help at the moment.   It now seems I am at a point where there is no viable solution in regard to this.   I may have to just bit the bullet and get hold of some replacement traction tires from BLI, and then sell off the ones I don't need.

Regards
Rob.


Re: Drivers

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/18/2018 6:50 PM, roblmclear wrote:
why BLI did not include a non traction tired driver with the second run is beyond my ken

Cost/profit!:-(

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Drivers

roblmclear
 

Thanks for the information guys but I do not want to have traction tires on any loco on the layout, they do cause problems with keeping the track clean, and I my opinion somewhat stress out the drive train but that is only my opinion.   I have contacted BLI and they do not have any replacements have been in touch with them on several occasions.   I do have three of the earlier 2-10-2's but the bearings are different from the later versions.    (Pictures attached the set on the left is from the first run the set on the right is from the second) I don't want to use bullfrog snot either as that is just replacing one method with another, the aim being to have normal tread drivers on all axles.   With 3 of the earlier versions and six of the later 2-10-2's I need to be able to get all of them without traction tires, why BLI did not include a non traction tired driver with the second run is beyond my ken.   It would have been the obvious thing to do given the fact they did it on the first run.   I have also been in touch with Greenway products and Bowser but neither of those seem to be able to help at the moment.   It now seems I am at a point where there is no viable solution in regard to this.   I may have to just bit the bullet and get hold of some replacement traction tires from BLI, and then sell off the ones I don't need.

Regards
Rob.


Re: Drivers

Mark Cartwright
 

I have replaced Driver's with Traction Tires with Drivers which do NOT have Traction Tires...and been very pleased with the results.
However....
I have been lessening my Grades over time.
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I believe most Model Railroaders fall into the category of simply doing 2% or higher grades.
Except I began to test my N Scale Locomotives across the board and found a significant difference when the Grades approached 1.75%.
Further, there was a Series of Articles on the Physics of N Scale in N Scaler Magazine in the early 1990's which came to a Mathematical Conclusion of a Best or Optimal Grade at 1.73%.
My Testing Concurs
Except into a turn, the lateral forces act upon the Grade increasing it's effect. Basically causing a 1.74% Grade to act as if it is a 2% Grade. By lessening the grade to 1.5%, the overall effect was minimal.
This was accomplished ...
AFTER reading BNSF and UP Prototype Specifications, I settled on a continuous grade of 1.5% for straights and radius. This also add stabilization and keeps the momentum of a train in motion by not simply changing the Grades from a Straight into a Curve. I do not believe lessening a grade further to say 1.4% would have a marginal positive effect upon my model railroad.
====
So...
After lessening my grades...I found Traction Tires not only not necessarily but in fact a nuisance. 
Meaning?
After 4-5 hours of use, they can slip their driver and play havoc with the crank rods. Causing them to either ping off or bend and making me do a complete tear down along with re-quartering the whole mechanism. Plus, I believe they add grit/grime to the rails, as well as not the best concept for DCC with sound with conductivity in mind.
=====

Though I have O and HO Scale Layouts...I am only speaking of N Scale. I expect the results may be similar but I have not tested such a Theory.
Hope this helps...
Mark Cartwright

Modeling for now the Central Pacific, as the railroad began to learn from it's own mistakes post 18882.
The Central Pacific began to lessen their grades of 2.2% after that date.
This is a helluva way to run a railroad, but I am not sure when Prototypes began to adopt Standard Grades at 1.5%.


Re: Drivers

Pete Steinmetz
 

Just get some Bullfrog Snot.  No need to replace drivers.

Our club is banning traction tires.  They make the track dirty.

Pete Steinmetz


Re: Drivers

prgm_mgr
 

That makes sense to me too.


Re: Drivers - BLI ATSF 2-10-2 #3686, Modernized

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/17/2018 12:39 PM, SP4149 wrote:
I have this model also.  Only the fifth driver has traction tires; Otherwise it is the same as the first driver
which does not have  traction tires.

    When I bought mine BLI would sell a replacement driver for the engine.  Earlier they included the (non tired) driver with the engine.  I do know the the bearings designed between early 2-10-2s and later 2-10-2s has changed.  Is he sure that BLI does not have the additional driver?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Drivers - BLI ATSF 2-10-2 #3686, Modernized

SP4149
 

I have this model also.  Only the fifth driver has traction tires; Otherwise it is the same as the first driver
which does not have  traction tires.   Since he has six of these models, he could swap the first driver from
three locos for the rear driver of the other three.  

That would give him three locos with no traction tires and three locos with traction tires on the first and fifth drivers.
He might find another modeler who likes traction tires who might desire the three locos with two drivers with traction tires.
A swap might be in the future.

At the very least  he could do the swap with just two engines and compare three variations; As built with one driver with
traction tires, traction tires on the first and last driver, and his intended version, no traction tires.
--
ken clark
HO and Sn42


Re: Drivers

John Hagen
 

Hi.

I may be way off base here but I am of the opinion that Rob wants to replace the drivers that have traction tires with ones that do not have traction tires.

That would be a move that I would fully understand.

John Hagen

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> On Behalf Of prgm_mgr
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:42 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io; rob.mclear@...
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Drivers

 

Hi Rob

If push come to shove, perhaps you can replace the driver center, either by using as a pattern the one you have that is correct or having them made by a local casting shop or even by printing them.

You could always get enough of the wrong size ones and file down the counterweight but thats a lot for 6 engines and would be very difficult to get them to match, even on the same loco.

 

I'm curious why you want to replace them in the first place? Are the ones you have on the loco the wrong size or is it a pulling issue?

Good luck

Mark


Re: Drivers

prgm_mgr
 

Hi Rob
If push come to shove, perhaps you can replace the driver center, either by using as a pattern the one you have that is correct or having them made by a local casting shop or even by printing them.
You could always get enough of the wrong size ones and file down the counterweight but thats a lot for 6 engines and would be very difficult to get them to match, even on the same loco.

I'm curious why you want to replace them in the first place? Are the ones you have on the loco the wrong size or is it a pulling issue?
Good luck
Mark


Drivers

roblmclear
 

Hello to all and sorry for the cross postings but I have six of the BLI modernized ATSF 2-10-2's that I would like to replace the drivers with the traction tires.   I have tried BLI, Greenway Products and Bowser but no one seems to have the required type of driver.   The diameter across the tread excluding the flange is .700 of an inch.   It is spoked and has a small counterweight.   I really don't need the axles although to have them mounted would be handy I can always put them on to the axles from the existing Broadway Limited axels providing they are the same diameter.   I have attached a picture of the type I am looking for it is the driver on the right in the picture as the one on the left is the wrong size of counterweight.   Hoping someone can point me in the right directions.

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