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Re: Varney Dockside

Roger Aultman
 

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I think the brass tired drivers contributed also. Roger Aultman


-- Victor Bitleris <bitlerisvj@...> wrote:

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Yeah, this one would be a good candidate for a TCS WOW with KA. It would be a tight squeeze, but has been done by others.

I am guessing that it mostly stalls on insulated frogs on turnouts and crossings. It shouldn't stall on regular track or powered frogs.

One of these days I intend to do that. I have a can motor for mine, but plan on keeping the original gearing.

Regards, Vic B.


Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC


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From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of Roger Aultman <raul@...>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 10:17 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside

I bought one on eBay because it has the valve gear, much to my surprise it had a gearbox, can motor and DCC decoder. It runs OK but tends to stall easily. Roger Aultman

Re: Varney Dockside

SP4149
 

This may be akin to putting lipstick on a pig, but anyone ever try having the drivers nickle plated?
There used to be a model RR supplier who did it for $10 an axle.
A lower cost alternative:
   I do not clean my loco drivers with a wire wheel in a Dremel or a Kadee brass wire wheel cleaner.
I use a 400 grit polishing wheel in a Dremel to polish the driver tread and remove the dirt collecting scratches
from cleaning by wire.  For regular cleaning after that all it takes is a Q-tip dipped in alcohol.

ken clark

Re: Varney Dockside

Jon Miller
 

On 3/3/2018 9:25 AM, Roger Aultman wrote:
because it has the valve gear, much to my surprise it had a gearbox, can motor and DCC decoder

    It appears that you got one that someone spent some time rebuilding.  I seem to remember that Varney sold a valve gear kit as an extra for this engine.  However gearbox and can motor were never with this engine.  Of course DCC was not even thought of then, let alone PCs.

    I would like to see some pictures of the motor, gearbox, etc.  Sounds interesting.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Varney Dockside

Bob Macklin <macklinbob@...>
 

There is a silver plating powder that can be used to plate the wheels.
 
Detail Associates used to sell it but no more.
 
Google "Cool-Amp". It's a bit pricey but a small jar will last a life time.
 
 
Bob Macklin
Seattle, Wa.

----- Original Message -----
From: SP4149
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside

This may be akin to putting lipstick on a pig, but anyone ever try having the drivers nickle plated?
There used to be a model RR supplier who did it for $10 an axle.
A lower cost alternative:
   I do not clean my loco drivers with a wire wheel in a Dremel or a Kadee brass wire wheel cleaner.
I use a 400 grit polishing wheel in a Dremel to polish the driver tread and remove the dirt collecting scratches
from cleaning by wire.  For regular cleaning after that all it takes is a Q-tip dipped in alcohol.

ken clark

Re: Varney Dockside

SP4149
 

There was also a Zamac imported from Japan Dockside with a brass mechanism
and an all brass import as well.  The valve gear was a Kemtron part and I believe
is still in the PSC catalog.
--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: Varney Dockside

Victor Bitleris
 

Most Keep Alive devices I am aware of pertain to DCC.  I don't know how you would do that with DC, but I would bet someone know.  As I recall, Earl Smallshaw had one that used capacitors under the cab for something like this.  The capacitors were made to look like air tanks.


Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of Wayne Long <acl-wayne@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 12:15 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside
 


On 3/2/2018 10:17 PM, Roger Aultman wrote:
> I bought one on eBay because it has the valve gear, much to my surprise it had a gearbox, can motor and DCC decoder.  It runs OK but tends to stall easily.  Roger Aultman
No surprise, Roger.

It has only 4 wheels and they are close together.

The prototype was not dependent on track power to operate.   Make sure
the wheels are clean and the track has no dead frogs.  Or, you will have
to add stay alive capacitance.  (Where do you put it?)

Wayne Long
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Re: Varney Dockside

Jon Miller
 

On 3/3/2018 11:04 AM, Victor Bitleris wrote:
 I don't know how you would do that with DC

The loco we are talking about (the one Roger Aultman got on eBay) has a decoder in it.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Varney Dockside

Victor Bitleris
 

Actually the zamac import was a Sakura, a beautiful model that came with the valve gear.  These go for very high prices when you can find one these days.

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/060418/HO-Brass-Model-Train-PFM-Sakura-B-O-0-4-0-0-4-0T-C-16-Dockside-Switcher-98-Unpainted

Also for the Varney Little Joe, there were 3 versions of valve gear, Central Valley (I have that one), Kemtron, and yep, Varney.  Central Valley also made valve gear for the English Yardbird. Kemtron also made valve gear for Mantua switchers.  I missed out on the Kemtron kit for Mantua once.  I do have a Kemtron valve gear set for a switcher, but have no clue what it is for.  It almost looks like Mantua, but not quite.


Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of SP4149 <ken@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:59 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside
 
There was also a Zamac imported from Japan Dockside with a brass mechanism
and an all brass import as well.  The valve gear was a Kemtron part and I believe
is still in the PSC catalog.
--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: Varney Dockside

Bob Macklin <macklinbob@...>
 

The one PSC has is for the Roundhouse SP switcher.
 
Bob Macklin
Seattle, Wa.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside

Actually the zamac import was a Sakura, a beautiful model that came with the valve gear.  These go for very high prices when you can find one these days.

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/060418/HO-Brass-Model-Train-PFM-Sakura-B-O-0-4-0-0-4-0T-C-16-Dockside-Switcher-98-Unpainted

Also for the Varney Little Joe, there were 3 versions of valve gear, Central Valley (I have that one), Kemtron, and yep, Varney.  Central Valley also made valve gear for the English Yardbird. Kemtron also made valve gear for Mantua switchers.  I missed out on the Kemtron kit for Mantua once.  I do have a Kemtron valve gear set for a switcher, but have no clue what it is for.  It almost looks like Mantua, but not quite.


Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of SP4149 <ken@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:59 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Varney Dockside
 
There was also a Zamac imported from Japan Dockside with a brass mechanism
and an all brass import as well.  The valve gear was a Kemtron part and I believe
is still in the PSC catalog.
--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

C&O steam engine cab

ron christensen
 

I would like to put a C&O type cab on a Mantua 2-8-2, any suggestions?
I'm also interested in putting a track wiper on a Mantua Pacific any suggestion on where to get small pieces of  phosphor bronze.  
Ron Christensen

Re: C&O steam engine cab

Ken Clark
 
Edited

Ron,
  Does your model have the diecast cab as part of the bolier, or the plastic cab?
I believe Mellor made replacement cabs for the Mantua Mikado, not sure how close to C&O they were.
Greenway at one time had replacement cabs for brass models.

Clover House has marketed phosphor bronze, wire, sheets, for several years. And then there is eBay
 
When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: ron christensen via Groups.Io <rxensen@...>
To: HO-Steam <HO-Steam@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2018 9:58 am
Subject: [HO-Steam] C&O steam engine cab

I would like to put a C&O type cab on a Mantua 2-8-2, any suggestions?
I'm also interested in putting a track wiper on a Mantua Pacific any suggestion on where to get small pieces of  phosphor bronze.  
Ron Christensen

Re: C&O steam engine cab

Wayne Long
 

On 3/5/2018 12:57 PM, ron christensen via Groups.Io wrote:
I would like to put a C&O type cab on a Mantua 2-8-2, any suggestions?
I believe that the Mantua mike kit had a cast zamac boiler and a plastic cab held on by a tab at the top, back of the boiler casting. You could adapt the plastic cab or replace it using it as a template to build your own C&O cab.
I'm also interested in putting a track wiper on a Mantua Pacific any suggestion on where to get small pieces of phosphor bronze.
Tomar Industries (if they are still in business in Michigan) used to sell kits for what you want to do.

Wayne Long

Re: C&O steam engine cab

John Hagen
 

Ken,

All Mantua cabs, diecast or plastic, were separate pieces.

The diecast cabs were held in place by a screw through a smallish projection (tab) at the front top of the cab casting. The tab would be the first thing to break off  if the was any sign of “zinc rot.”

Don’t bother to ask how I know this. However I’ll tell you my first HO locomotive was a 2-8-2 I received for Christmas 1949. One day my perfect appearing boiler, cab and tab were all separate pieces.

John Hagen.

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io [mailto:HO-Steam@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Clark via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 12:17 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] C&O steam engine cab

 

Ron,
  Does you model have the diecast cab as part of the bolier, or the plastic cab?
I believe Mellor made replacement cabs for the Mantua Mikado, not sure how close to C&O they were.
Greenway at one time had replacement cabs for brass models.

Clover House has marketed phosphor bronze, wire, sheets, for several years. And then there is eBay

 

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

 

 

 

 

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Re: C&O steam engine cab

Wayne Long
 



On 3/5/2018 2:00 PM, John Hagen via Groups.Io wrote:

Ken,

All Mantua cabs, diecast or plastic, were separate pieces.

The diecast cabs were held in place by a screw through a smallish projection (tab) at the front top of the cab casting. The tab would be the first thing to break off  if the was any sign of “zinc rot.”

On mine, the tab was/is on the top rear of the boiler casting.  A screw would go up through the cast metal tab into the underside of the plastic cab to hold it in place.

Don’t bother to ask how I know this. However I’ll tell you my first HO locomotive was a 2-8-2 I received for Christmas 1949. One day my perfect appearing boiler, cab and tab were all separate pieces.

So, that happened to you, too!  I just took a little longer with my parts.  At least, the side and connecting rods were not zamac castings.  I wonder for how long the chassis castings will hold up.

Wayne Long



Re: C&O steam engine cab

John Hagen
 

Wayne,

Yeah, I got it bass asswards. Anyway it was the first thing to break.

Other than that the only other thing to deteriorate was the cross heads.

The chassis casting will probably hold up longer than we will.

John Hagen

 

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io [mailto:HO-Steam@groups.io] On Behalf Of Wayne Long
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:19 PM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] C&O steam engine cab

 

 

 

On 3/5/2018 2:00 PM, John Hagen via Groups.Io wrote:

Ken,

All Mantua cabs, diecast or plastic, were separate pieces.

The diecast cabs were held in place by a screw through a smallish projection (tab) at the front top of the cab casting. The tab would be the first thing to break off  if the was any sign of “zinc rot.”

On mine, the tab was/is on the top rear of the boiler casting.  A screw would go up through the cast metal tab into the underside of the plastic cab to hold it in place.

Don’t bother to ask how I know this. However I’ll tell you my first HO locomotive was a 2-8-2 I received for Christmas 1949. One day my perfect appearing boiler, cab and tab were all separate pieces.

So, that happened to you, too!  I just took a little longer with my parts.  At least, the side and connecting rods were not zamac castings.  I wonder for how long the chassis castings will hold up.

Wayne Long

 

 

Re: C&O steam engine cab

ron christensen
 

The original cab is plastic. I suspect finding a typical C&O cab is next to impossible. So leave it as is or scratch build/ kit bash a cab.
 The wipers may be  available from the new Tomar. In any case I would have to make them to fit the locomotive. I have put a Mantua gear box drive I found at a swap meet. Also put in a can motor and DCC with sound.  Tender wheels were replace with nickel silver. The problem is the drivers for some reason they stop picking up some times. As you know the old Mantua did not pick up on front or rear engine trucks. That misses a lot of wheels that could help.
The challenge 
Ron Christensen

The patience of model railroaders on the Internet

SP4149
 

Today, I've been doing maintenance on my e-mail messages, deleting thousands of old messages if the goal.  Yhe last two months I have been getting hundreds more each week and I haven't deleted all of them when I should.  But I also am finding old messages from years before that still are relevant.

    The last one I found was from early December 2015, and I was complaining on a YG list about not being able to access message directories or post messages for several days.  That's two years and four months ago; I was experiencing the early effects of YG suspending technical support.  It wasn't until a year and a half later that I even investigated the existence of groups.io as an alternative site for my YG lists.  And it wasn't until over two years later that I  moved my first list to groups.io this January.

  Looking back I was incredibly patient in toleration YG lists deteriorating service.  Partly it was my fault since I wasn't documenting the actual service disruptions and their length of time.  Fortunately others talked about alternatives and I investigated.  But I am sure that I was not alone in tolerating poor service and not demanding better.  I ignored a lot of warning signs in those two years, which makes the last two months all the more remarkable.  The transfer of lists to groups.io has been relatively easy, but not without hiccups.  The biggest one was that I didn't realize that I was not communicating with all the members of my YG lists, even with Special Notices.  Many members had not received posts about the move and when it happened they quit the new list immediately upon receiving the Welcome Letter.  Other aspects of the YG lists reduced service I found in the photos transferred.  Photos were for most part transferred successfully, however YG had not been tracking ownership and updating when a member changed e-mail addresses.  How many internet users change an e-mail address in 16-19 years? Plenty and all those changes meant that their old photos were transferred to a new owner, the groups.io list owner, ME.  Since I did not have copyright permission to post photos on the internet and transfer display copyrights to groups.io; leaving these 'orphaned photos' on the lists is a potential problem.  If YG lists had been supported these and other 'new' problems would have been dealt with and no longer be a problem for lists.  Yes, fellow modelers and railfans, we are a patient lot.

ken

"It has always seemed strange to me," said Doc. "The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success."  Steinbeck - Cannery Row



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Get your Daylight painted Flat Face Cab Forwards, coming soon.

SP4149
 

What's next for this poor engine?  Yellow Borg? Red Warbonnet?


ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

The end of the line for Grandt Line

SP4149
 

Grandt Line is calling it quits.


https://www.grandtline.com/

Over the years I have used their  universals, gears, and even a motor or two in a variety of projects

and built many kits using their detail parts.  I once worked in a hobby shop and once a month we did a Grandt Line

inventory with a distributor who carried their full line in the trunk of his large sedan.  Almost every scale I owned

had some Grandt parts that were usable.


I have an On3 RGS 3 truck brass Goose with a Grandt replacement drive.  It runs great but one driver wheel is slightly off-center

so it 'wobbles' down the track.  I was running it on a friend's large O/On3 layout when the Grandt's happened to

visit, and they told me to wirte them and they would send me a replacement geared driver.  About the same time I visited

the Colorado Railroad Museum during an 'Operations' day.  That year they didn't have any steam engines operational, so they

were running a Goose on their trackage. WE may not have run more than a quarter mile on their tracks, but by the end I was shaken,

not stirred.  I never replaced that driver, even though it didn't shake the model as much as the real thing.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



--
ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: The end of the line for Grandt Line

Ken Adams
 

So sad to hear this. 

They are located only 3 miles from where I live. Once I was looking for special windows for a UK 4 mm project and they invited me over and let me look through all of the inventory shelves of windows to see if any would be right for the project.  I found some O scale windows that actually worked. 

But all things change. So many model railroad structures are now sold RTR and the dollhouse business must also be dying. Architects no longer need to use detail parts when they can 3 D render and 3 D print if physical models are needed. 

While I recognize the winds of change, Grandt Line was a truly California/US business and it is sad to hear of their impending passing. 

Thanks for the news even if it is ill news.

Ken Adams
Walnut Creek