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Re: [HOsteam] Re: Testing that New Locomotive PDF page

Ken Clark
 

Thanks Mike,
  I tried it under Firefox 31 and it worked fine, I'll make sure not to upgrade.

I give the presentation tomorrow and then have a couple of full days at the convention so It'll be Sunday when I can work on it if the local NFL game is blacked

 out.  I've never tried to convert Powerpoint to a web page or pdf before. The single web page won't display saying I need to use IE, even when I'm using IE.

I missed the secret handshake instruction.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921



-----Original Message-----
From: pinman@... [HOsteam]
To: HOsteam
Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 9:43 pm
Subject: [HOsteam] Re: Testing that New Locomotive PDF page

 
Sorry, but under Firefox 32 I can't display the pdf.  I can view it under Chrome and save it but anything that tries to open it using Adobe Reader gets a page error and fails.  The version I viewed under Chrome I saved but open it directly with Adobe and it blows.  On the plus side it led me to discover I had an old version of Adobe Reader so I upgraded to AR XI and it still fails.  IE11 has fits too...  All I get under FF and IE is the background.

Mike


Re: Testing that New Locomotive PDF page

Michael Murray
 

Sorry, but under Firefox 32 I can't display the pdf.  I can view it under Chrome and save it but anything that tries to open it using Adobe Reader gets a page error and fails.  The version I viewed under Chrome I saved but open it directly with Adobe and it blows.  On the plus side it led me to discover I had an old version of Adobe Reader so I upgraded to AR XI and it still fails.  IE11 has fits too...  All I get under FF and IE is the background.

Mike


Testing that New Locomotive PDF page

Ken Clark
 

All, 
  Sorry for all the frustration, only a few were able to successfully download the Powerpoint file.

At the suggestion of some I have converted the presentation to a pdf file.

The good news is that the PDF file loads great on Mozilla Firefox

The so-so news is that the file loads on Chrome but without a page advance function.

The bad news is that on IE9 I get errors, loading errors, pictures don't load  I don't use IE9 so I haven't upgraded which could be a problem.

In any event hopefully more can view the pdf file below.



http://shastasprings.com/repower/Testing%20That%20New%20Locomotive.pdf

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921


Testing that new locomotive.

Ken Clark
 

All,
  I've expanded my previous webpage into a Powerpoint presentation, 47 slides, 34 with photos, that can be downloaded at

http://shastasprings.com/Testing%20That%20New%20Locomotive.pptx

Enjoy

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921


Locomotive Testing @ PSR Convention Sept 2014

Ken Clark
 


   For those attending the PSR Convention Sept 3rd-7th in San Diego,
I will have a diagnostic testing station where I will test your problem locomotive.
The testing is free for Convention attendees and will take about 15 minutes.  
Sessions will start after my clinic Thursday morning and last through Friday
as demand dictates.  See the web page below for details:


There will be three reserved sessions per hour, signup can be done at
the convention registration table upon arrival.

To secure a testing session before Sept 2nd, I am handling advance reservations
at Ken@....  Please indicate locomotive to be tested when 
making advanced reservations.

  Note this service is for convention attendees only.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921


Re: [HOsteam] Testing that Locomotive You Bought on eBay

Ken Clark
 

Matt,
  Some time around the end of August I should have a powerpoint presentation link with photos.  The same one
I will use for my clinic.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Goodman goodman312@... [HOsteam] To: HOsteam
Sent: Mon, Jul 28, 2014 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Testing that Locomotive You Bought on eBay

 
Thanks for posting this Ken

Matt Goodman
Columbus OH


On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [HOsteam] <HOsteam@...> wrote:

All,
  I have finishe d revising the Testing Guide and it has been uploaded to my website.  Links used for the last revision will work.
Revisions are in green, if you don't see the green revision you will have to refresh your browser as it is still loading the 
old version from memory.


I have also created a one page checklist for those who would like to record their inspection results.  If it doesn't print/display well,
I can post an Excel version in the files section.


I have been asked to make a clinic presentation on these methods at the PSR convention in San Diego this September.  For those
attending the clinic is tentatively scheduled for Thursday Sept 4th at 9:30 am.  In addition I will be testing models for attendees
in the afternoon using the methods I demonstrate in the clinic.  Reservations for the testing will be made in advance; if there is
enough interest, additional sessions in the evening and on Friday are possible.  I plan on testing three models each hour;
15 minutes per model and 15 minutes of discussion and rest.  A synopsis of what I plan is posted at:


This is something new for m e to try; I was inspired by those hosting a repair clinic at the National convention.  The testing is free,
hopefully the reservations will allow several to participate.  The convention staff will tell me how reservations will be made this week.
Hopefully the fixes will all be simple...


Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921




Re: [HOsteam] Testing that Locomotive You Bought on eBay

Matt Goodman <goodman312@...>
 

Thanks for posting this Ken

Matt Goodman
Columbus OH


On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [HOsteam] <HOsteam@...> wrote:

All,

  I have finished revising the Testing Guide and it has been uploaded to my website.  Links used for the last revision will work.
Revisions are in green, if you don't see the green revision you will have to refresh your browser as it is still loading the 
old version from memory.


I have also created a one page checklist for those who would like to record their inspection results.  If it doesn't print/display well,
I can post an Excel version in the files section.


I have been asked to make a clinic presentation on these methods at the PSR convention in San Diego this September.  For those
attending the clinic is tentatively scheduled for Thursday Sept 4th at 9:30 am.  In addition I will be testing models for attendees
in the afternoon using the methods I demonstrate in the clinic.  Reservations for the testing will be made in advance; if there is
enough interest, additional sessions in the evening and on Friday are possible.  I plan on testing three models each hour;
15 minutes per model and 15 minutes of discussion and rest.  A synopsis of what I plan is posted at:


This is something new for me to try; I was inspired by those hosting a repair clinic at the National convention.  The testing is free,
hopefully the reservations will allow several to participate.  The convention staff will tell me how reservations will be made this week.
Hopefully the fixes will all be simple...


Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921




Testing that Locomotive You Bought on eBay

Ken Clark
 

All,
  I have finished revising the Testing Guide and it has been uploaded to my website.  Links used for the last revision will work.
Revisions are in green, if you don't see the green revision you will have to refresh your browser as it is still loading the 
old version from memory.

http://shastasprings.com/repower/TestingBrassSteam2.htm

I have also created a one page checklist for those who would like to record their inspection results.  If it doesn't print/display well,
I can post an Excel version in the files section.

http://shastasprings.com/repower/TestingChecklist.html

I have been asked to make a clinic presentation on these methods at the PSR convention in San Diego this September.  For those
attending the clinic is tentatively scheduled for Thursday Sept 4th at 9:30 am.  In addition I will be testing models for attendees
in the afternoon using the methods I demonstrate in the clinic.  Reservations for the testing will be made in advance; if there is
enough interest, additional sessions in the evening and on Friday are possible.  I plan on testing three models each hour;
15 minutes per model and 15 minutes of discussion and rest.  A synopsis of what I plan is posted at:

http://shastasprings.com/repower/Synopsis%20-Testing2.htm

This is something new for me to try; I was inspired by those hosting a repair clinic at the National convention.  The testing is free,
hopefully the reservations will allow several to participate.  The convention staff will tell me how reservations will be made this week.
Hopefully the fixes will all be simple...


Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921


Testing that New Brass Steam engine

Ken Clark
 

All,
  Yesterday I published a new page listing procedures for testing that new brass locomotive you just got.
After 24 hours of thought and feedback I added another section and additional diagnosis procedures.
Changes are in red.  The intent of this webpage is to locate problems, but in a few cases I also included 
some possible simple fixes.

  These lists have experienced modelers that have fixed these problems in the past.
The bigger problem in tapping into this experience is fully identifying the problem(s) so that the 
discussions are productive.  Hopefully this webpage will help identify problem(s) and get those
engines quickly returned to service.

  While I have given clinics at NMRA conventions on repowering these models, I never focused
primarily on the troubleshooting that is key to repairing these models and getting them running.
Hopefully this new page fills some of that void.

http://www.shastasprings.com/repower/TestingBrassSteam2.htm




Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921


Testing new brass steam

Ken Clark
 

All,
  Today I composed a webpage listing the steps to take when testing that new locomotive you just got on eBay.
To make it simpler I did not include testing DCC or sound components.  
As a result there are only 33 steps, or bullets, to consider.

Hopefully this will help you figure out why that new engine doesn't run as well as it looked.
Testing the model is recommended before starting a repowering or redetailing project or painting.
Eventually I will add photos, but I wanted to share the thoughts first.
Yes I could have created a shorter file name; when this file is linked to my homepage the name will be shorter8-) 

http://www.shastasprings.com/repower/Testing%20that%20Brass%20Steam%20Engine%20You%20Bought%20on%20eBay.htm

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921


Worst HO Steam model you have owned.

Ken Clark
 

I'm sure all of us have their favorite, "worst HO Steam" model; so I decided to limit my choice to brass models. 
In making my choice I first considered market place value. Is a slightly more accurate model that sells for three times the price the better model? My value analysis would be NO. Is a more highly detailed model a better value than a model that runs better? Again NO for me. Is a more highly detailed model with the wrong details (e.g Skyline Pox) a better model? Again for me, NO. How about a nicely made model built to the wrong scale? even if it's the only game in town? You probably have guessed my analysis would again be NO. And finally can a model that runs poorly with poor workmanship that defies improvement be ever considered a better model? Uh, NO. 


It should be obvious that my personal bias would never allow me to label a KTM model from the 70's selling for $300 on eBay as worse or with a lower value per dollar than current state of the art models selling for $2,000. Still with the five criteria I listed; I can't think of a single model that would be the worst in all five criteria listed again below: 
Value per dollar 
Operation at the expense of Detailing 
Erroneous Detailing (Skyline Pox for me) 
Out of Scale model (PSC SP Dynamometer Car) 
Poor Workmanship 

I must ad that I have been able to repair or improve numerous "poor" models into excellent operators.  In selecting my worst HO Steam loco I added a final criteria "DEFIES IMPROVEMENT"  

That leaves just two Candidates.


The NKP Southern Pacific MM-3 2-6-6-2 
I reserved this model when it was announced, paid full list as most dealers did not sell it. And had my choice from six models which I inspected and tested and selected the best. It was highly detailed, but operation was unreliable (continually broke down). I rebuilt it mechanically at least three times, but the running gear was wearing out after only a few hours or operation. Parts continually fell off, before and after painting. I gave up as it couldn't meet my operational needs at the time and sold it for less than I had invested. It was nicely painted with directional lights, heavily weighted, with a large can motor and flywheel. I felt lucky to get my original $500 investment back. 


The KEY Rio Grande L-96 2-8-8-2s first run. 

 This is a mistake I made twice.  I bought the engines aftemarket, so I couldn't choose from dealer stock.  I attributed the first engines numerous defects to the previous owner who had applied a poor paint job.  The second model was unpainted and the defects were exposed completely.  Like many early Korean models poor solder joints were everywhere on a highly detailed model.  The mechanism was even worse, rods and linkage was made from butter soft metal that easily distorted and wore through.  Holes for side rod screws were so far off center that the rod material did not completely surround the screws.  Both engines never ran as well as the MM-3



My WORST HO STEAM ENGINE?    has to be the one I bought twice!


The KEY Rio Grande L-96 2-8-8-2 first run



FW:Important Info

David Boyd
 

hey Losing weight has been hard for me until I started taking this! http://3dmiasto.com/fys/


Read this

David Boyd
 


Re: [HOsteam] FS Used Atlas HO Code 100 Flex Track

Mike Rosz
 


Re: [HOsteam] Was the First Train you bought HO?

morey200152
 

I had a Lionel set, gotten as a Xmas present when I was 8 (an uncatalogued Sears set with a 614 Alaska switcher with 'cold war' Pyro trucks on flats and a missle launcher and exploding box car and a generic LIonel lines caboose), but several years later I decided to make the move to HO and plotted my course of action.  I saved some money, ten dollars maybe??  (took some doing and a bit of time with needing fixes of candy and comics and MR magazines)  and finally ordered some bits from AHC in NYC from one of their monthly ads in MR.....a $3.99 Athearn HiFi diesel (I picked ATSF passenger warbonnet) think other choices were Pennsy or CBQ?  and several $ .99 freight cars, you could only pick car type, think ended up with Varney EJE gondola, Varney OB box car, an Athearn 40' flat, and a Marx NYC work caboose (a bit disappointed with that one)and maybe one or two more for my ten dollar or so investment ....however it took several months to get one of my older sisters to take me into the 'city' to a hobby shop to buy a box of 18" radius snap track and a MRC power pack, and then getting my dad to make an under the bed train table....

been in business ever since, one way or another

 

Chris Morey


Re: [HOsteam] Was the First Train you bought HO?

George William \(Bill\) Newport <gwnewport2@...>
 

whew,
first train,
027 Lionel three rail,
lay a piece of plywood across the rafters in the attic,
put down track,
add switches,
inner and outer loop,
two steam locomotives,
one die-sel electric,
a couple dozen cars,
caboose has inside light,
more plywood,
more track,
bigger train transformer,
the street lights will dim when I move both reostat controls open,
bank the curves,
just call me Mister Casey sir
G

Life consists of:
What you want.
What you need.
What you deserve.
What you end up with.
What you do with what you get.
In Ghod We Trust.


On Friday, December 27, 2013 6:17 PM, Kenneth Rickman wrote:


The first train items I bought with my own money were cars and track for my Lionel O27 set.  I would collect cans along the road and turn them in to earn money to buy an Amtrak ticket from Picayune, MS to Laurel, MS, where we would walk to a hobby shop in town, shop and drool, and eventually catch the train back home.  Some years later I purchased my first HO train set, an IHC set with an SD40 and a few cars, while visiting my grandmother in Joplin, MO.  After that, I would take the train to Laurel to buy HO scale stuff, though I have to say it never had the same magic the O27 stuff did.  Over the years, I discovered different scales and especially narrow gauge, but I'm still primarily modeling standard gauge HO.

Ken Rickman

On 12/27/2013 2:54 PM, Kenneth Clark wrote:
But when you brought your hard saved money to the hobby shop to BUY your first train, was it HO?
--
Kenneth Rickman
Salisbury, NC

One thing about trains: It doesn't matter where they're going.  What matters is deciding to get on.




Re: [HOsteam] Was the First Train you bought HO?

Kenneth Rickman
 

The first train items I bought with my own money were cars and track for my Lionel O27 set.  I would collect cans along the road and turn them in to earn money to buy an Amtrak ticket from Picayune, MS to Laurel, MS, where we would walk to a hobby shop in town, shop and drool, and eventually catch the train back home.  Some years later I purchased my first HO train set, an IHC set with an SD40 and a few cars, while visiting my grandmother in Joplin, MO.  After that, I would take the train to Laurel to buy HO scale stuff, though I have to say it never had the same magic the O27 stuff did.  Over the years, I discovered different scales and especially narrow gauge, but I'm still primarily modeling standard gauge HO.

Ken Rickman

On 12/27/2013 2:54 PM, Kenneth Clark wrote:
But when you brought your hard saved money to the hobby shop to BUY your first train, was it HO?
-- 
Kenneth Rickman
Salisbury, NC

One thing about trains: It doesn't matter where they're going.  What matters is deciding to get on.



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Re: [HOsteam] Was the First Train you bought HO?

mike rosz
 

mine was too  the pensy freight.


On Friday, December 27, 2013 1:54 PM, Kenneth Clark wrote:
 
Several of us have indicated we received Christmas trains that jumped started the hobby; in my case that train was American Flyer.

But when you brought your hard saved money to the hobby shop to BUY your first train, was it HO?

I remember saving my meager allowance to buy Athearn metal cars in HO.  It took a few years but eventually I bought a Mantua
2-8-2 kit that I carefully assembled (it still runs).  Before then I operated a couple of old Varney switchers that my dad had 
acquired second hand and lettered for his RR, The North Central.  I also received a Gilbert Hudson for Christmas about that time,
and then a Globe gear drive ATSF F-7, which ended my HO locomotive purchases for several years.  AS a teenager I discovered
narrow gauge and acquired a couple of small Kidder HOn3 locos.  In college I acquired my first  'quality' HO brass engine, a 
WSM Heisler # 3 with HO and HOn3 trucks.  Now I find myself buying 'experienced' locomotives that I couldn't afford back then;
still that brass display case at Franciscan Hobbies should have my nose print etched in the glass....                                

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921




Was the First Train you bought HO?

Ken Clark
 

Several of us have indicated we received Christmas trains that jumped started the hobby; in my case that train was American Flyer.

But when you brought your hard saved money to the hobby shop to BUY your first train, was it HO?

I remember saving my meager allowance to buy Athearn metal cars in HO.  It took a few years but eventually I bought a Mantua
2-8-2 kit that I carefully assembled (it still runs).  Before then I operated a couple of old Varney switchers that my dad had 
acquired second hand and lettered for his RR, The North Central.  I also received a Gilbert Hudson for Christmas about that time,
and then a Globe gear drive ATSF F-7, which ended my HO locomotive purchases for several years.  AS a teenager I discovered
narrow gauge and acquired a couple of small Kidder HOn3 locos.  In college I acquired my first  'quality' HO brass engine, a 
WSM Heisler # 3 with HO and HOn3 trucks.  Now I find myself buying 'experienced' locomotives that I couldn't afford back then;
still that brass display case at Franciscan Hobbies should have my nose print etched in the glass....                                

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921


OT: Merry Christmas and a New Year's Resolution

Ken Clark
 

All,
  60 years ago I woke on Christmas morning to see a train chuffing around our family Christmas tree. 
60 years later I still enjoy the sound, sight and smell of that old American Flyer train. My father's father
was an Espee engineer on the Shasta Division.  Real trains up there did not have a rail down the middle
and my first train wouldn't either.  Looking back, American Flyer was an easy choice over Lionel.

  Since then I've acquired more Flyer and Flyer compatible equipment and switched to more realistic
Showcase Lines track.  This year I didn't set-up a tree, but I did setup the track underneath it.  I still have
that first engine  AF 302 a die cast 4-4-2 locomotive with smoke and chuff; it still runs well.  This week I've been
running those 50 and 60 year old locos; savoring the sights and sounds and smells, that DCC and the techno geeks
still haven't captured.  And yes running those trains brings back the memories of so many Christmas days
over six decades.  May everyone have as rich a Christmas memory as those old trains still bring me.

  And the New year's resolution?  Well that first Flyer engine had a coal burner.  At the time it didn't matter to me;
but now I want a Flyer Espee engine.  I have acquired an oil Vandy shell for my old 4-4-2 and in the New Year
it will haul a proper Espee tank.  And the second half of the resolution? Well late in life I've collected several of Flyer's
finest oil burner 4-8-4 locomotives; one of which will be re-badged as a Southern Pacific GS-1.  Seems like a good
start to the New Year.

Kenneth R. Clark
Chula Vista, CA 91921

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