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Re: [HOsteam] side/main rod color

mwbauers
 

How about washing the brass side-rods with ordinary solder via a regular soldering gun ???

DIY plating.

Mike Bauers

On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Alan wrote:

I'm building a boyd models GB&W mogul and have replaced main rods with PSC brass ones,loco kit came with blackened side rods and nickel silver main,crossheads and guides and valve gear,my dilemna is what color should I paint these items since they no longer match.
Alan


Re: side/main rod color

locoi1sa
 

Alan.
A lot of times when a locomotive was shopped for class repairs or anything more then a boiler wash and minor running repairs the main rods and side rods would be white washed. The thin white paint would show cracks as rust streaks where a close inspection would not show. The white wash would not last very long and turn a steel gray in a matter of days.
Pete


Re: [HOsteam] side/main rod color

Ken Clark
 

Alan,


Sounds like the kit rods didn't match. Now you have three colors? On many railroads the rods were left in their native steel color, which is much duller than nickel plated brass or nickel silver. I've used an air eraser to dull the finish of plated rods, however this is tricky since the plating may be very thin. Late steam engines frequently had painted rods, so black matching the boiler may be fine. Were the prototype's rods painted? Also you can try Testor's Metallizer paints, however they adhere best to plastic so you need an undercoat like Scalecoat between the metal and the Metallizer. I would bake the Scalecoat painted rods for a couple of hours at 200 F for a tougher finish.

I'm building a boyd models GB&W mogul and have replaced main rods with PSC brass ones,loco kit came with blackened side rods and nickel silver main,crossheads and guides and valve gear,my dilemna is what color should I paint these items since they no longer match.
Alan




Kenneth R. Clark

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From: Alan <albyrno@yahoo.com>
To: HOsteam <HOsteam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:00 am
Subject: [HOsteam] side/main rod color





I'm building a boyd models GB&W mogul and have replaced main rods with PSC brass ones,loco kit came with blackened side rods and nickel silver main,crossheads and guides and valve gear,my dilemna is what color should I paint these items since they no longer match.
Alan


side/main rod color

albyrno
 

I'm building a boyd models GB&W mogul and have replaced main rods with PSC brass ones,loco kit came with blackened side rods and nickel silver main,crossheads and guides and valve gear,my dilemna is what color should I paint these items since they no longer match.
Alan


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Re: What to do with brass driver tires?

locoi1sa
 

Have you checked out Greenway Products? I replaced some drivers on a 2-10-0 recently. A wheel puller and NWSL quarter tool is needed for the geared axle but other than that they are great wheels.
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Re: [HOsteam] Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information

Victor Bitleris
 

I understand. The Taig Micro Lathe does not have that feature. Some very good machinists have added that, but it is a LOT of work. Much cheaper purchasing gears from NWSL.
Thanks for the clarification.

Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC

To: HOsteam@yahoogroups.com
From: krickman1@carolina.rr.com
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:57:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information




























On 10/18/2011 1:48 PM, Victor Bitleris wrote:

[F]or the life of me, I cannot imagine how you would turn a worm on the lathe.
Any lathe which can cut a screw can cut a worm. The lead screw is

driven via gears from the spindle, so that it will advance the carriage

a set distance for every revolution of the spindle. Changing the gear

ratio changes the thread pitch.



Ken Rickman



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Kenneth Rickman

Salisbury, NC


















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Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information

Ken Robbins
 

Vic, Ken Rickman is abosultely correct. My 9" South Bend lathe can cut virtually any pitch screw (or worm) by changing the lead screw gearing to give the necessary longitudinal travel for each revolution of the spindle.

When I Grind a toolbit to match an existing worm I simply grind the sides and tip until the toolbit fits into a correct-size worm with little or no mismatch of the side angles. I usually make it a little narrower than finished size and then use my compound rest set parallel to the spindle to make small left and right passes until the correct profile is acheived.

Yes, it's a slow, tedious process but it works. I only do it when I have to!

Ken Robbins


Re: [HOsteam] Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information

Kenneth Rickman
 

On 10/18/2011 1:48 PM, Victor Bitleris wrote:
[F]or the life of me, I cannot imagine how you would turn a worm on the lathe.
Any lathe which can cut a screw can cut a worm. The lead screw is driven via gears from the spindle, so that it will advance the carriage a set distance for every revolution of the spindle. Changing the gear ratio changes the thread pitch.

Ken Rickman

--
Kenneth Rickman
Salisbury, NC


Re: [HOsteam] Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information

Victor Bitleris
 

Hi Ken,
I do not understand what you mean by "grinding a toolbit to match the original Mantua worm". Does your lathe have a controllable carriage motor? I am guessing that is the only way it would work. I am not machinist, but rather a hobbyist and I do have a Taig micro lathe that I use for brass turning and milling, but for the life of me, I cannot imagine how you would turn a worm on the lathe.
Thanks and regards,
Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC

To: HOsteam@yahoogroups.com
From: kenrobbins39@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:08:15 +0000
Subject: [HOsteam] Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information






























Bill, I spent many years as a machinist before retiring, so grinding a toolbit to match the original Mantua worm was not too difficult for me. My home made worms (I've made several over the years) are never quite as smooth as NWSL's, but if I can't find one of their's to fit the situation, the "home mades" are smooth enough!



Incidentally, when I have a metal to metal worm gear set (typically a steel worm and a brass gear), I usually improve the mating fit by polishing the assembled set (in the locomotive) with abrasive lapping compound, followed by a thorough cleaning then run it again with jeweler's rouge polishing compound (often for several hours, over a period of days), then more disassembly, cleaning and finally lubrication. The difference in smoothness and noise level is usually dramatic!



That being said, I've found that this procedure doesn't seem to work with the Micarta / Fiber worm gears commonly found in older engines. Not sure why this is. They remain noisy after all the polishing and cleaning work! Maybe someone on this list can explain why.



I've never bothered using this polishing technique on Delrin or Nylon worm gears because I've always found them to be smooth and quiet right from the start.



Ken Robbins


















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Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information

Ken Robbins
 

Bill, I spent many years as a machinist before retiring, so grinding a toolbit to match the original Mantua worm was not too difficult for me. My home made worms (I've made several over the years) are never quite as smooth as NWSL's, but if I can't find one of their's to fit the situation, the "home mades" are smooth enough!

Incidentally, when I have a metal to metal worm gear set (typically a steel worm and a brass gear), I usually improve the mating fit by polishing the assembled set (in the locomotive) with abrasive lapping compound, followed by a thorough cleaning then run it again with jeweler's rouge polishing compound (often for several hours, over a period of days), then more disassembly, cleaning and finally lubrication. The difference in smoothness and noise level is usually dramatic!

That being said, I've found that this procedure doesn't seem to work with the Micarta / Fiber worm gears commonly found in older engines. Not sure why this is. They remain noisy after all the polishing and cleaning work! Maybe someone on this list can explain why.

I've never bothered using this polishing technique on Delrin or Nylon worm gears because I've always found them to be smooth and quiet right from the start.

Ken Robbins


[HOsteam] Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information

Bill Brown
 

[ ... ]
I have a lathe, so I replaced the Mantua Nylon worm with one made of brass but kept the original Nylon worm gear. I use LaBelle #102 on my gears. The loco is extremely quiet and has racked up more than 100 hours so far with no problems whatsoever, other than occasional cleaning of those (ugh!) brass tires.
[ ... ]

Did you turn the worm yourself or were you able to find a metal worm that
fit the stock worm gear? It seems like grinding a cutter for the worm would
be a challenge.

Nice collection of resuscitated models! The Little Six is a nice job. I
could use one like that for a switching layout I'm planning. Perhaps I'll
come across one at RailFair in Roseville next month.
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Re: [HOsteam] What to do with brass driver tires?

Kenneth Rickman
 

On 10/17/2011 9:24 PM, Victor Bitleris wrote:
Check this one out. His prices seem much more reasonable.
http://sierrascalemodels.com/plating.htm
Thanks, Vic. That is MUCH more reasonable. $20 for a 2-8-0 I can stand. I wonder why there is such a variation?

Ken

--
Kenneth Rickman
Salisbury, NC


Re: [HOsteam] What to do with brass driver tires?

Victor Bitleris
 

Check this one out. His prices seem much more reasonable.
http://sierrascalemodels.com/plating.htm
Regards,
Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC

To: HOsteam@yahoogroups.com
From: krickman1@carolina.rr.com
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:38:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] What to do with brass driver tires?




























On 10/17/2011 7:30 PM, Kenneth Martin wrote:

The "Shayfixer" does plating of wheels. See his page at:
http://www.shayfixer.com/TheNickelPlater.htm
The results are beautiful, but the price is hard to justify.

"$40 labor minimum plus$12 per axle plus$10.00 USPS Priority Mail back

to you..."

Formy little MDC 2-8-0, that works out to $98, plus the cost of shipping

the drivers to him. That's a little hard to swallow for an engine that

only cost me $30 including shipping! I guess if I were doing a

restoration of a valuable model or something, it might be a better deal.



--

Kenneth Rickman

Salisbury, NC






















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Re: [HOsteam] What to do with brass driver tires?

Kenneth Rickman
 

On 10/17/2011 7:30 PM, Kenneth Martin wrote:
The "Shayfixer" does plating of wheels. See his page at:
http://www.shayfixer.com/TheNickelPlater.htm
The results are beautiful, but the price is hard to justify.
"$40 labor minimum plus$12 per axle plus$10.00 USPS Priority Mail back
to you..."
Formy little MDC 2-8-0, that works out to $98, plus the cost of shipping
the drivers to him. That's a little hard to swallow for an engine that
only cost me $30 including shipping! I guess if I were doing a
restoration of a valuable model or something, it might be a better deal.

--
Kenneth Rickman
Salisbury, NC


Re: New member...Saying Hello and with request for information

allen wood
 

Ken,

Thanks for the pictures and info. Again, a very nice job.


Allen Wood
Chico, Ca.


Re: [HOsteam] What to do with brass driver tires?

Ken Martin
 

The "Shayfixer" does plating of wheels. See his page at:
http://www.shayfixer.com/TheNickelPlater.htm

Ken Martin
Sacramento

On Oct 17, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Kenneth Rickman wrote:

Nickel plating
is ideal, but I don't know how hard it would be to do or have done.

Ken Rickman

--
Kenneth Rickman
Salisbury, NC

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