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Re: [HOsteam] FYI - News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line

Mike Rosz
 

this is also in S scale. What is NWSL? HO or S?

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'grouply" activity

Ken Clark
 

Warning for members of YahooGroups
Posted by: "jbsaxton@aol.com" jbsaxton@aol.com jbsaxton
Date: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:29 pm ((PDT))

Hello, All;

Darryl Huffman alerted me to a problem that so far has eluded us, but has
been seen on other YahooGroups.

An email organization known as "Grouply" asks that you join, and use then
their service to better track all your various YahooGroups memberships -
sorta
like an RSS fed thing I presume.

To join Grouply, you register with them by giving them your Yahoo ID and
password. Dumb idea. Once they have your ID and password, they hijack your
account and send emails to your groups asking more folks to join Grouply.
For a
moderator of a list, they could conceivably take control of your list and do
with it as they will.

Any sign of 'grouply" activity on these lists will be dealt with by
immediate
expulsion of the poster, since their account will already have been
compromised.

Back to trains!!!




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FYI - News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line

Ken Clark
 

News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line
Posted by: "David Rygmyr" davidry@osorail.com david_rygmyr
Date: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:47 pm ((PDT))

Some of you have been wondering about the fate of NWSL, with founder Raoul
Martin looking to retire. I'm pleased to announce that Oso has acquired NWSL
in its entirety, and we've already moved part of the business from Seattle,
WA to Hamilton, MT, with the rest to follow within a couple of weeks. As you
may know, NWSL product availability has been waning over the last few years,
the result of attrition and of Raoul's retirement plans. We plan to reverse
that (after the dust settles, give us a while...) and do our best to get the
entire line back in production and available again.

To help with news and announcements, we finally got around to getting a real
mailing list package and we've added it to our websites. If you're
interested, please go to www.osorail.com or www.nwsl.com (both feed the same
list) and sign up. If you signed up on our old list, it wouldn't hurt to
sign up again since the import process wasn't exactly smooth.

Many of you have also been asking about the Shay book, which remains a
priority for us but remains a big, slow behemoth. Also, because Shay
enthusiasts tend to be fairly intense, we're doing all we can to be as
accurate as possible when we go to press to avoid a legion of pitchforks and
torches. That said, we're trying to wrap that portion up fairly soon, which
will give us some tangible pieces to work with. Please stay tuned, and note
that we'll be using the new mailing list thing to make announcements.

Thanks!

Dave Rygmyr
NorthWest Short Line (www.nwsl.com)
Oso Publishing & Evergreen Hill Designs (www.osorail.com)




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: For Sale - HO/HOn3, O/On3, Brass and Quality Plastic models

Ken Clark
 

A hot Summer Sale, Purchase TWO or more models and receive 10% off all
models listed, except "special" priced items.

Two Super Weekly specials:

Red Caboose "O" Scale GP-9 kit, Southern Pacific, Scarlet & Gray, $145
Less than half original list price! Untouched ready to complete in original
box


$600 SP KTM AC-12 4-8-8-2 Excellent, Painted #4276, Engine Black, Can
motor, some tire wear, tender unpainted

Check them out on my revamped Web page, revised Aug 1st, several more
models added with new photos. FIND them at:

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(http://hometown.aol.com/kenrclark/00list.htm_)
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Note: This is a cash discount, there is a 3% fee if you use Paypal

Shipping in the US is by Priority Mail; I weigh the models in their box,
then add one pound for packaging to calculate shipping costs.

Check out my eBay auctions:

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More items added to eBay this weekend !!!!

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Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

Mike Rosz
 

they had them. $10.00 as a kit and $15.00 ready to run.

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Re: A hot Summer Sale - thanks

Ken Clark
 

Thanks to all who have purchased and paid for models. A Reminder for the
few who have not paid, the models listed as On Hold will become available
again or put on eBay for auction. Hopefully I have also helped several who
e-mailed me with questions about models they were interested in purchasing from
another seller. I try to give all brass model inquires careful consideration,
even if I will not benefit from a sale. I enjoy answering these questions
from fellow enthusiasts. The only dumb questions are those not asked...

I will begin listing some 100 railroad books for sale on eBay (about 25%
of my library). Most of these books are on Western Railroads, logging
railroads, Colorado railroads or passenger trains. If you are looking for a
specific title, feel free to contact me off-line.


ken clark
downsizing in the far south and west

In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:44:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, KenR Clark
writes:

A hot Summer Sale, for one week only, ending August 10th, 20% off all models
listed, except parts and special priced items.

Check them out on my revamped Web page, revised Aug 1st, several more
models added with new photos. FIND them at:

__http://hometown.http://hometown.http://hohttp_
(http://hometown.aol.com/kenrclark/00list.htm_)
(_http://hometown.http://hometown.http://hohtt_
(http://hometown.aol.com/kenrclark/00list.htm) )

Note: This is a cash discount, there is a 3% fee if you use Paypal

Shipping in the US is by Priority Mail; I weigh the models in their box,
then add one pound for packaging to calculate shipping costs.


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Re: [HOsteam] Re: Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

Elden Baker
 

There was apparently very little to no quality control on them.  I got two of them; one still runs great and the other was (past tense) a real dog.  It would hardly pull it's own weight.  I know some other guys who've had similar experience with them.
 
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For Sale - 20% off on HO/HOn3, O/On3, Brass and Quality Plastic models

Ken Clark
 

A hot Summer Sale, for one week only, 20% off all models listed, except
parts and special priced items.

Check them out on my revamped Web page, revised Aug 1st, several more
models added with new photos. FIND them at:

__http://hometown.http://hometown.http://hohttp_
(http://hometown.aol.com/kenrclark/00list.htm_)
(_http://hometown.http://hometown.http://hohtt_
(http://hometown.aol.com/kenrclark/00list.htm) )

Note: This is a cash discount, there is a 3% fee if you use Paypal

Shipping in the US is by Priority Mail; I weigh the models in their box,
then add one pound for packaging to calculate shipping costs.


(_http://hometown.http://hometown.http://hohtt_
(http://hometown.aol.com/kenrclark/00list.htm) )

thanks for looking, ken





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Re: [HOsteam] Re: Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

Roger T
 

Check out NWSL they had a replacement gear for the Genesis 2-8-2 & 4-
6-2. You can still get these through Walthers, 53-21816.
http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/53-21816
I too got a hard time from Athearn about fixing this.
I actually ended up fixing mine using an automotive epoxy.

Cheers
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Re: [HOsteam] Re: Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

David Boyd
 

I got one from the first run and have had no trouble with it. A friend also
had one so we double headed a 150 car coal train several years ago at
Nashville GATS. Still runs like new. David



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Re: Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

Jeff Rousseau <jeffofnh@...>
 

Check out NWSL they had a replacement gear for the Genesis 2-8-2 & 4-
6-2. You can still get these through Walthers, 53-21816.

http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/53-21816

I too got a hard time from Athearn about fixing this.

Jeff



--- In HOsteam@yahoogroups.com, "Roger T." <rogertra@...> wrote:


I did not know Athearn had a 4-6-2 back in the 60's.

It was worst than the one they made in 2001(?)

I sadly bought two of those. Both suffered from broken gears as
did one of
my Genesis 2-8-2s and Athearn have never honoured their warranty
on either.
They've even changed their history so that neither the 4-6-2 nor
the 2-8-2
were Genesis locos.

Cheers
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Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2 - Mabuichi motors

mwbauers
 

Hi Ken,

I was on my other computer for this and shortly later found new 12x15, double-shafted, motors for about 3.5 Pounds Sterling.

I think the specs looked much better than the surplus motors.

I don't have a copy here, nor the links......... But can send it to you in the morning.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:58 AM, kenrclark@aol.com wrote:

Mike,

Thanks for the links, The specs show that most of these motors are 3 volt
motors. The one 12 volt motor has an operating range of 6-12 volts. Sort
of like the old American Flyer and Lionel motors that didn't start turning
till they had 7 volts, of course their transformers were variable from 7-15
volts so most operators never noticed. This might be only a problem with analog
DC power supplies actually controlling power 0-6 volts. Since DCC pulse
width modulates a higher voltage they should be a better match.

I've installed several of these motors and also the slightly bigger Kato
motors in several brass steam models. Observations based on analog DC
installations, overall the Kato motor is more rugged, can be lubricated and has a
greater speed range. Both motors have 2mm shafts, however the Kato handles
shaft mounted flywheels better, this may be a function of greater bearing
surface. (Note 2.4mm shaft motors are even better for mounting flywheels). In
models where the motor can be connected to the mechanism with a universal drive
and the flywheels mounted on a gearbox, the Mabuichi motors work well. I
haven't run these long enough to know if they handle continuous use as well as
the Katos. The specs indicated that these motors are designed for
applications where the use is for infrequent, short durations (Tooth brushes, electric
shavers. etc...). There are probably few of us who run model trains
continuously, so this may be a non-issue.

Interestingly the no-load speed in the specs for the Mabuichi is almost
exactly the same as I had tested several years ago. Normally for most HO steam
models 9-10,000 no load rpms is a good match for scale speed operations
(unless the model has an abnormal gear ratio like the Intermountain AC-12s did).
That is what my favorite motor choices are rated. At around 6600 no-load
RPMs the Mabuichi motor is going to be noticeably slower when installed in the
same models and as a result may not reach an acceptable top speed for some.
For switch engines, logging and mining engines it is a very good choice.


ken clark
in the far south and west



In a message dated 7/30/2008 6:11:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mwbauers55@wi.rr.com writes:

Here are the specs for that motor....

_http://www.mabuchi-http://wwhttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.mhttp://wwwhttp :/
/_
(http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/cgi-bin/catalog/e_catalog.cgi?CAT_ID=ff_180phsh )

_http://www.ewinson.http://wwwhttp://www.htt_
(http://www.ewinson.com/image/draw/ff180.jpg)

_http://www.ewinson.http://wwwhtt_ (http://www.ewinson.com/ ff180.htm) [note
the 12-vt version]

I bought a slew of these a while back........


Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2 - Mabuichi motors

Ken Clark
 

Mike,

Thanks for the links, The specs show that most of these motors are 3 volt
motors. The one 12 volt motor has an operating range of 6-12 volts. Sort
of like the old American Flyer and Lionel motors that didn't start turning
till they had 7 volts, of course their transformers were variable from 7-15
volts so most operators never noticed. This might be only a problem with analog
DC power supplies actually controlling power 0-6 volts. Since DCC pulse
width modulates a higher voltage they should be a better match.

I've installed several of these motors and also the slightly bigger Kato
motors in several brass steam models. Observations based on analog DC
installations, overall the Kato motor is more rugged, can be lubricated and has a
greater speed range. Both motors have 2mm shafts, however the Kato handles
shaft mounted flywheels better, this may be a function of greater bearing
surface. (Note 2.4mm shaft motors are even better for mounting flywheels). In
models where the motor can be connected to the mechanism with a universal drive
and the flywheels mounted on a gearbox, the Mabuichi motors work well. I
haven't run these long enough to know if they handle continuous use as well as
the Katos. The specs indicated that these motors are designed for
applications where the use is for infrequent, short durations (Tooth brushes, electric
shavers. etc...). There are probably few of us who run model trains
continuously, so this may be a non-issue.

Interestingly the no-load speed in the specs for the Mabuichi is almost
exactly the same as I had tested several years ago. Normally for most HO steam
models 9-10,000 no load rpms is a good match for scale speed operations
(unless the model has an abnormal gear ratio like the Intermountain AC-12s did).
That is what my favorite motor choices are rated. At around 6600 no-load
RPMs the Mabuichi motor is going to be noticeably slower when installed in the
same models and as a result may not reach an acceptable top speed for some.
For switch engines, logging and mining engines it is a very good choice.


ken clark
in the far south and west

In a message dated 7/30/2008 6:11:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mwbauers55@wi.rr.com writes:

Here are the specs for that motor....

_http://www.mabuchi-http://wwhttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.mhttp://wwwhttp:/
/_
(http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/cgi-bin/catalog/e_catalog.cgi?CAT_ID=ff_180phsh)

_http://www.ewinson.http://wwwhttp://www.htt_
(http://www.ewinson.com/image/draw/ff180.jpg)

_http://www.ewinson.http://wwwhtt_ (http://www.ewinson.com/ff180.htm) [note
the 12-vt version]

I bought a slew of these a while back........

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi







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Re: [HOsteam] new Athearn steam engine

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I see from Tony's trains site that the new Athearn 4-8-4 has a low speed
problem,<

Couldn't find it.

Jon Miller
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Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

Roger T
 

I did not know Athearn had a 4-6-2 back in the 60's.

It was worst than the one they made in 2001(?)

I sadly bought two of those. Both suffered from broken gears as did one of my Genesis 2-8-2s and Athearn have never honoured their warranty on either. They've even changed their history so that neither the 4-6-2 nor the 2-8-2 were Genesis locos.

Cheers
Roger T.
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http://www.islandnet.com/~rogertra/


Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

Mike Rosz
 

I did not know Athearn had a 4-6-2 back in the 60's.


But in the 60's I was still into my American Flyer 4-6-2

Pennsy in S gauge, with link couplers.

I came into HO after my Navy years in the early 70's.

I had a friend in grammar school who was HO deisel passenger.

and I had freight. Got my starter set, then a second car then

Flyer went to knuckle couplers, and I did not convert.

At that time I was not aware of the USED market, where

I could have gotten some passenger cars, one would have been enough

with a baggage car.

How I also have S AND HO and buying USED you should hear then.

"------------- - ---- ---------- ---"

All because of some Greengerg book. I you do not offer more than

Greenberg's price forget it. And I am not refering to The Idiots

on e-bay. Well I just had to tell some one, hope you did not mind.

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Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

mwbauers
 

Here are the specs for that motor....

http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/cgi-bin/catalog/e_catalog.cgi?CAT_ID=ff_180phsh

http://www.ewinson.com/image/draw/ff180.jpg

http://www.ewinson.com/ff180.htm [note the 12-vt version]

I bought a slew of these a while back........


Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Victor Bitleris wrote:


Here is a 20x33 for about $15.00 including shipping, but the guy also has a 20x24, which should work.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Neodymium-Flat-can-motor-1533-Unbelievable-Power_W0QQitemZ150276235704QQihZ005QQcategoryZ484QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

good luck and regards, Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC

To: HOsteam@yahoogroups.com
From: jeffofnh@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:55:29 +0000
Subject: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2


I am repowering a 1960's 4-6-2. I am looking for a motor of an

approxmaite size of 20x28. I will be installing DCC. Can anyone

suggest the most powerful motor for this size factor?



Thanks,



Jeff


Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I got one like is shown in auction 360069864367. However at the time the start price was 9.95 and I was the only bidder. The motor seems ok and I checked it with my figures applying friction, never went above 40mA. As you can see from the picture the armature is rough and the motor is noisy.

Jon Miller
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Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

David Boyd
 

I haven't had any problem with noise on all of the ones I've used. I done
about seven or more Mantuas using them. David



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Re: [HOsteam] Vintage 1960's Athearn 4-6-2

David Boyd
 

I use these in the Mantua rebuilds I do. They have great throttle control at
low to mid scale speed, which i really like. They do top out at 75% throttle,
so don't expect to see your pacific run a scale 90 MPH. My Pacifics run a
top scale speed of about 65 MPH, and my Micados run about 50 scale MPH. But
when you pull into the yard to drop off and pick up you'll love the ability to
creep along at very low scale speeds.
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