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Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Bob Yarger <ryarger@...>
 

Is it possible that the Baldwin, Alco and Lima versions had slight
variations? I think a lot of the USRA dimensions have come from drawings of
B&O 4500, which had a different cab at least, and maybe other parts also.

Bob Yarger, Editor
Railway Preservation News (free website)
www.rypn.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" <smokeandsteam@san.rr.com>
To: <HOsteam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2



i got a new 2-8-2 today at the train local shop. has anyone else
noticed the tender looks funny on it if you put it next to any other
2-8-2???? <<<<<


Paul

I've commented on this before - the Genesis tender seems to be based on
an early prototype version of the USRA tender with an admixture of
invention and over use of inaccurate drawings. It has a taller and
longer collar to the coal space than production USRA tenders - the
Spectrum tender is much closer. In all other respects it's pretty good,
and some lines (Frisco and Southern for example) modified some tenders
so that they ended up looking very much like the Genesis model

I don't know where this oversized collar crept in, but a number of 70's
brass models suffer from the same problem.

Aidrian




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Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Roger T
 

Roger. While I am thinking about it, is there any place to get Canadian
style fully enclosed steam loco cabs in HO scale other than scratching
them?

Yes, there are two sources: -

http://www.miniaturesbyeric.com/

Who do two or three resin cabs

And: -

Athabasca Scale Models

Who's web site a can seem to track down.

Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/


Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Roger T
 

I have one that runs on a friend's layout. The only thing we can use it
for
is the ten car local that does not have to go up any grade. The thing
will
barely pull itself up a two per-cent ( 0.24 / 12 ) grade. It really is
not
a RTR locomotive, but it is a great place to start on a really nice model
if
you like to do model work.
You need to add weight, like I did. Mine will now pull as much as a
Bachmann 2-8-0.

Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/


Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

David Boyd
 

I got one of the Gen 2-8-2's out of an early run, and a fellow club member
got one, also, and each one pulled 50+ coal hoppers. We double headed them at
the GATS at Nashville last year with DCC and pulled 100+ cars! If you need to
unload yours, send it this way! The tender makes for a plausable unit for the
L&N, that ruled our neighborhood.
David
Caution: Steam Engines Have A Tender Behind!


Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

gp7ca
 

Miniatures by Eric sells some Canadian enclosed style cabs as does
Athabasca Shops.Athabasca Shops lists one that is supposed to fit the
Genesis 2-8-2 made from brass.It is supposed to represent a CPR style cab.I
have built four of the Athabasca cab kits they sell for the Spectrum 2-8-0
and they are nice building and look great.I have another designed to fit the
Spectrum 4-8-2 waiting to be built.Web site addresses for both are below.

http://www.athabascashops.com/

http://www.miniaturesbyeric.com/index.htm


Wayne Reid

Ontario,Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: "Demetre Argiro" <argirode@mindspring.com>
To: <HOsteam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2



----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger T." <rogertra@highspeedplus.com>
To: <HOsteam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2



First thing on many of my locos to get kitbashed is the tender, to make
them
look a little more Canadian. :-)

Cheers
Roger T.


Roger. While I am thinking about it, is there any place to get Canadian
style fully enclosed steam loco cabs in HO scale other than scratching
them?

.............D>



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Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Chris Shinn
 

I don't have a link handy, but look for Athabasca Scale Models. They
produce some beautiful etched brass kits meant to mount on the Spectrum
4-8-2's & 2-8-0's and could surely be modified.
===============
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Chris Shinn
Winnipeg, Canada


...... Original Message .......

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 11:15:41 -0500 Demetre Argiro <argirode@mindspring.com>
wrote:

Roger. While I am thinking about it, is there any place to get Canadian
style fully enclosed steam loco cabs in HO scale other than scratching
them?

.............D>


Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Demetre Argiro <argirode@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger T." <rogertra@highspeedplus.com>
To: <HOsteam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2



First thing on many of my locos to get kitbashed is the tender, to make
them
look a little more Canadian. :-)

Cheers
Roger T.


Roger. While I am thinking about it, is there any place to get Canadian
style fully enclosed steam loco cabs in HO scale other than scratching them?

.............D>


Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Demetre Argiro <argirode@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fisty Nickle & Jade" <capt_fisty_nickle@yahoo.com>
To: <HOsteam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2


i got a new 2-8-2 today at the train local shop. has anyone else
noticed the tender looks funny on it if you put it next to any other
2-8-2???? also a note on my 2-8-0 i have found a almost match for
her. 604 at spencer is pretty close to it.


Paul

I have one that runs on a friend's layout. The only thing we can use it for
is the ten car local that does not have to go up any grade. The thing will
barely pull itself up a two per-cent ( 0.24 / 12 ) grade. It really is not
a RTR locomotive, but it is a great place to start on a really nice model if
you like to do model work.

................D>


Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Roger T
 

i got a new 2-8-2 today at the train local shop. has anyone else
noticed the tender looks funny on it if you put it next to any other
2-8-2???? <<<<<
Didn't notice.

First thing on many of my locos to get kitbashed is the tender, to make them
look a little more Canadian. :-)

Cheers
Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/


Re: [HOsteam] Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

i got a new 2-8-2 today at the train local shop. has anyone else
noticed the tender looks funny on it if you put it next to any other
2-8-2???? <<<<<


Paul

I've commented on this before - the Genesis tender seems to be based on
an early prototype version of the USRA tender with an admixture of
invention and over use of inaccurate drawings. It has a taller and
longer collar to the coal space than production USRA tenders - the
Spectrum tender is much closer. In all other respects it's pretty good,
and some lines (Frisco and Southern for example) modified some tenders
so that they ended up looking very much like the Genesis model

I don't know where this oversized collar crept in, but a number of 70's
brass models suffer from the same problem.

Aidrian


Athearn Genesis 2-8-2

Fisty Nickle & Jade <capt_fisty_nickle@yahoo.com>
 

i got a new 2-8-2 today at the train local shop. has anyone else
noticed the tender looks funny on it if you put it next to any other
2-8-2???? also a note on my 2-8-0 i have found a almost match for
her. 604 at spencer is pretty close to it.


Paul


train shop and a couple of questions

Fisty Nickle & Jade <capt_fisty_nickle@yahoo.com>
 

today i went to the local train shop "little Choo Choo shop" they were
having there first storewide sale ever. i know now that I keep hereing
that the hobby is dieing but there today i saw that there are still
lots of us train Nuts out here. they said there had been more than
2000 people in there today. and most were spending 200+ each i know I
did, funny how a small sale can bring them out. also today i bought
the new Booty Corner have any of you put one together yet if so how do
you like it and was there any trouble spots? i am working on Wicked
Wanda's i did everything as allways with the pre staining of the wood
the wood in the kid bowed bad the worse i have ever seen. the big
front and back faces bowed so bad i am having to use some strips of
wood to make them useable. has anyone else had this happen????? i did
every thing the same as i have done on all my other wood kits FSM and
master Creations but have never had this happen????


Thanks
Paul
J&BBV ry


Re: Rivarossi parts

cripete <pjboylanboylan@...>
 

--- In HOsteam@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Howle" <iggi.geo@y...> wrote:
Hi,

Anyone know of a reliable source for Rivarossi parts? Looking for
the motor mount for a Riv HO Pacific.

Thanks,
Patrick

Golf Manor Hobbies
Cincinnati, Ohio


Rivarossi Heisler For Sale

Gary <LVTrainMan@...>
 

Hello Group-

I thought I was going to have room for a logging section on the new
layout, but have decided to go another route. Therefore I have the
following for sale-

1- #635-5468; 3-truck Heisler Locomotive; St Regis Paper Company
1- #635-2344; 2-pack Skeleton Log Car w/logs; St Regis Paper Company

Both items are by Rivarossi and are brand new, never used. The
wrapper on the locomotive was opened by me for inspection purposes
only. I have included Walthers Catlog part #'s so you can verify
Retail Prices (635-5468 is $329.95 rtl; 635-2344 is $29.95 rtl).

I am asking $249.95 + shipping and optional insurance for both. I
accept PayPal and Money Orders as payment (NO PERSONAL CHECKS,
PLEASE!) Item will ship via USPS Priority Mail. Insurance is
OPTIONAL but highly recommended.

Please reply to LVTrainMan@Yahoo.com off posting.

Thank you for your attention, especially if you are on more than one
list.

LVTrainMan


Rivarossi parts

Patrick Howle <iggi.geo@...>
 

Hi,

Anyone know of a reliable source for Rivarossi parts? Looking for
the motor mount for a Riv HO Pacific.

Thanks,

Patrick


Re: [HOsteam] Re: 2-8-0

Victor Bitleris
 

If I didn't know any better, (and I don't :o)) I would say this is the spittin' image of the B&O 2-8-0 from the Mel Thornburgh article in the mid-late forties. I want to build this engine myself when I get the time. I already purchased drivers for it from MDC. It does look like a Bowser motor and cast metal cylinders. The cast cylinders would be a good dodge if one didn't want to make them from scratch.

Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC




From: "Fisty Nickle & Jade" <capt_fisty_nickle@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: HOsteam@yahoogroups.com
To: HOsteam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HOsteam] Re: 2-8-0
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:08:12 -0000

Ok guys i stripped her down and look what i found. look at the 2 new pics.


Metal brass Copper and wood yes wood the air pumps are made of
copper and wood. tere is a ton of solder all over this thing. if it
is not hand made i miss my guess. all of the lines are copper the
boiler is 3 pieces a smoke box boiler and the fire box all made of
sheet brass and soldered together at bottom the inside of the boiler
is full of lead. the weight is about 20 oz at lest if not more.

Paul
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Re: 2-8-0

Fisty Nickle & Jade <capt_fisty_nickle@yahoo.com>
 

Ok guys i stripped her down and look what i found. look at the 2 new pics.


Metal brass Copper and wood yes wood the air pumps are made of
copper and wood. tere is a ton of solder all over this thing. if it
is not hand made i miss my guess. all of the lines are copper the
boiler is 3 pieces a smoke box boiler and the fire box all made of
sheet brass and soldered together at bottom the inside of the boiler
is full of lead. the weight is about 20 oz at lest if not more.

Paul


Re: 2-8-0

Fisty Nickle & Jade <capt_fisty_nickle@yahoo.com>
 

Tom,

I will do my best to get over there sometime Sunday, have to
run to W-S Sunday but I will try to get to the club before it closes.

Paul


Re: [HOsteam] Re: 2-8-0

Tom <ncstl@...>
 

Bud,

You mentioned U-shaped inserts in the axle bearing slots as a spotting
feature for Mantua. Certainly true for later versions, not necessarily true
for early ones. The earliest ones such as the late forties-early fifties
Pacific I recently rebuilt ran the driving axles directly in the frames.
Certainly having a Pitmann DC 71 is a clue to age, it was not introduced
till about 1952 as I recall. Still an excellent motor if the bearings are
not worn out....

Anyway, this is getting interesting. Paul, if you can make it to club
Sunday, I am thinking of going there again to fulfill my obligation for the
period. Can you bring the engine for inspection close-up?

Tom Knowles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Bonello" <bigbud@dandy.net>
To: <HOsteam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: [HOsteam] Re: 2-8-0


Mantua produced a 2-8-0 prior to WWII and shortly after.
The boiler and cab walls were formed sheet brass, while the
cab roof appeared to be cast zamac. Larger detail parts were
screwed on,

Unfortunately your pictures can not be enlarged to check
finer details, which would yield more definitive clues.
They show a Pittman DC71 motor, which was probably
used on post war versions as with the Reading Atlantic and
Pacific plus the later 4-6-2 and 2-8-2 before Tyco. Your
frame has similar layout with wide pilot deck as the former.
If the screws are not metric on the assembly parts, this
would rule out imports. If the tender trucks are original
and have thick axles, this would clinch it. If U shaped
inserts are present in axle slots, it would indicate Mantua.

If it is a Mantua, it is a valuable collectors item.

Thank you,

Budb

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--- In HOsteam@yahoogroups.com, "Fisty Nickle & Jade"
<capt_fisty_nickle@y...> wrote:
can anyone here help. I bought a 2-8-0 off ebay and have no idea who
made it i am going to post a pic of it can anyone help?

Paul


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Re: 2-8-0

Arthur Bonello <bigbud@...>
 

Mantua produced a 2-8-0 prior to WWII and shortly after.
The boiler and cab walls were formed sheet brass, while the
cab roof appeared to be cast zamac. Larger detail parts were
screwed on,

Unfortunately your pictures can not be enlarged to check
finer details, which would yield more definitive clues.
They show a Pittman DC71 motor, which was probably
used on post war versions as with the Reading Atlantic and
Pacific plus the later 4-6-2 and 2-8-2 before Tyco. Your
frame has similar layout with wide pilot deck as the former.
If the screws are not metric on the assembly parts, this
would rule out imports. If the tender trucks are original
and have thick axles, this would clinch it. If U shaped
inserts are present in axle slots, it would indicate Mantua.

If it is a Mantua, it is a valuable collectors item.

Thank you,

Budb

Author of:

MODELRAILROAD TECHNICAL INFORMATION

http://www.geocities.com/budb3/

PROTOTYPE TECHNICAL INFO FOR MODELRAILROADERS

http://www.freeyellow.com/members4/budb/

Moderator of:

MR TECHNICAL HELP GROUP

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mrtechhelp

COUPLER HELP GROUP

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mrcouplers

--- In HOsteam@yahoogroups.com, "Fisty Nickle & Jade" <capt_fisty_nickle@y...> wrote:
can anyone here help. I bought a 2-8-0 off ebay and have no idea who
made it i am going to post a pic of it can anyone help?

Paul

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