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Re: P2K 0-8-0

BillD53A@...
 

AOL's internet connections are not working right now, as usual, but I will
send you the URL as soon as I can. It is a German hobby supply company, and
they always seem to be right. Life Like has the 0-8-0 , an RDC, and FA/FB1's
in HO in the summer of 2000, and an E6A/B and FA/FB1 in N in January 2001. I
will get back to you as soon as I can. Until then Merry Christmas!


Life Like 0-8-0

BillD53A@...
 

Life Like has announced that the 0-8-0 will be available in June in the following roads:CB&Q Erie NKP NP NYC Sou and undec...each with 2 nos or unnumbered


Re: What steam engines have you detailed/kitbashed/scratchbuilt?

marshall <zephyr03@...>
 

About 25 years ago, I stripped an AHM USRA 0-6-0, re-equipped it with
the valve gear & "small" flanges, and redetailed it as CB&Q G-5 class
506. This entailed mounting Cary cuckoo clock headlights front and
rear, trimming the tender siderails flat and insetting the coal boards.
The most necessary touch - the characteristic Burlington "flatface"
smokebox front - was done by sawing the smokebox hatch, dogs & hinges
off the original front, and then rivet-impressing a flat disc of ABS on
which I centered the original hatch.

Finishing up was just a batch of brass trinkets & lots of wire for
piping, and the firehose box under the running board. Unfortunately,
Champion decals were the only ones available then, so the tender herald
was all wrong - but aside from that, it looked pretty good.

Now, I've re-stripped it. I intend to switch to a can motor, and
convert it to a G-5A. This will require a scratchbuilt tender,
scratchbuilt cab, derby sand domes and different piping arrangements.
Now, I'll be able to use Microscale's Early CB$Q Diesel Switcher
heralds, which are also correct for all smaller Burlington steamers.

Is this what we call recycling?

Marshall


Re: What steam engines have you detailed/kitbashed/scratchbuilt?

Elden Baker <eldenbaker@...>
 

A MDC 4-6-0 was used as a starting point to make a
Espee T-28 Class Ten-Wheeler. I used a (Sigami?) can
motor and super-detailed it using a combination of
parts from Details West, Detail Associates, and
others. Then I used decals from Microscale and
Champion to get all the necessary data.

Its been more than 20 years since I built this engine
but, its one of the best detail jobs I've done.

Elden

--- HOsteam@onelist.com wrote:

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:23:20 -0800
From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>
Subject: What steam engines have you
detailed/kitbashed/scratchbuilt?

Hi All,

I'm curious to hear what the folks on this list have
created in the way of
super-detailing/kitbashing/scratchbuilding HO steam
locos.
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Re: What steam engines have you detailed/kitbashed/scratchbuilt?

Richard Parker <t3consult@...>
 

I am working on the following:

SP TW1 - #2908 using Mantua 4-8-0 frame & drivers (Within inches of proto
spacing for TW-1. Drivers are slightly undersize) MDC cylinders, X heads &
cab. and the balance is scratch built.

SP TW2 - #29?? using a MDC OT 2-8-0 frame (very close to proto driver size and
spacing), cylinders, & Xheads. The cab, boiler, and rest will be scratch.

SP T25 - #22?? using a MDC 4-6-0 kit with MDC slide valve cylinders and laird
crossheads.

SP AM2 - #3908 using 2 MDC 2-6-2 Prairie or Bowser 2-8-0 Old Lady frames with
the balance scratch built (This is a long-range project)

Thomas Beutel wrote:

From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Hi All,

I'm curious to hear what the folks on this list have created in the way of
super-detailing/kitbashing/scratchbuilding HO steam locos.

I'll start off with a few of the locos that I've detailed/kitbashed:
Northwestern Pacific #8 from Bachmann's 4-4-0
NWP #301 from Pemco's (now IHC) M-4 class 2-6-0
NWP #179 from MDC's 4-6-0 kit.

Most of these are just detailing jobs, or in the case of the 2-6-0, just a
paint job.

I'm currently working on an SP TW-8 using a Varney 4-6-0 boiler and a Mantua
4-8-0 mechanism.

In addition to what you've built, do you have any plans for the upcoming
locos from P2K or Bachmann?

Regards,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

Keeping the memory of steam alive!
--
Dick Parker
T3 Consulting
3122 S E 9th
Portland, OR 97202
Phone (503) 239-5094
FAX (503) 239-5094
Email t3consult@worldnet.att.net


What steam engines have you detailed/kitbashed/scratchbuilt?

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Hi All,

I'm curious to hear what the folks on this list have created in the way of
super-detailing/kitbashing/scratchbuilding HO steam locos.

I'll start off with a few of the locos that I've detailed/kitbashed:
Northwestern Pacific #8 from Bachmann's 4-4-0
NWP #301 from Pemco's (now IHC) M-4 class 2-6-0
NWP #179 from MDC's 4-6-0 kit.

Most of these are just detailing jobs, or in the case of the 2-6-0, just a
paint job.

I'm currently working on an SP TW-8 using a Varney 4-6-0 boiler and a Mantua
4-8-0 mechanism.

In addition to what you've built, do you have any plans for the upcoming
locos from P2K or Bachmann?

Regards,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco


Re: [Re: What steam engines have you detailed/kitbashed/scratchbuilt?]

Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@...>
 

I'm currently working on a 40-class 2-8-0 for the M&A, ex-NYC. I started with
an IHC 2-8-0 and sofar have sufficiently mangled the boiler to the point where
I can put the new sand dome and steam dome on. If I can find the correct
parts.

Brad Bourbina


From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Hi All,

I'm curious to hear what the folks on this list have created in the way of
super-detailing/kitbashing/scratchbuilding HO steam locos.

I'll start off with a few of the locos that I've detailed/kitbashed:
Northwestern Pacific #8 from Bachmann's 4-4-0
NWP #301 from Pemco's (now IHC) M-4 class 2-6-0
NWP #179 from MDC's 4-6-0 kit.

Most of these are just detailing jobs, or in the case of the 2-6-0, just a
paint job.

I'm currently working on an SP TW-8 using a Varney 4-6-0 boiler and a
Mantua
4-8-0 mechanism.

In addition to what you've built, do you have any plans for the upcoming
locos from P2K or Bachmann?

Regards,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

Keeping the memory of steam alive!
--
Dick Parker
T3 Consulting
3122 S E 9th
Portland, OR 97202
Phone (503) 239-5094
FAX (503) 239-5094
Email t3consult@worldnet.att.net



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Re: [Re: What steam engines have you detailed/kitbashed/scratchbuilt?]

Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@...>
 

I'm currently working on a 40-class 2-8-0 for the M&A, ex-NYC. I started with
an IHC 2-8-0 and sofar have sufficiently mangled the boiler to the point where
I can put the new sand dome and steam dome on. If I can find the correct
parts.

Brad Bourbina


From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Hi All,

I'm curious to hear what the folks on this list have created in the way of
super-detailing/kitbashing/scratchbuilding HO steam locos.

I'll start off with a few of the locos that I've detailed/kitbashed:
Northwestern Pacific #8 from Bachmann's 4-4-0
NWP #301 from Pemco's (now IHC) M-4 class 2-6-0
NWP #179 from MDC's 4-6-0 kit.

Most of these are just detailing jobs, or in the case of the 2-6-0, just a
paint job.

I'm currently working on an SP TW-8 using a Varney 4-6-0 boiler and a
Mantua
4-8-0 mechanism.

In addition to what you've built, do you have any plans for the upcoming
locos from P2K or Bachmann?

Regards,
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

Keeping the memory of steam alive!
--
Dick Parker
T3 Consulting
3122 S E 9th
Portland, OR 97202
Phone (503) 239-5094
FAX (503) 239-5094
Email t3consult@worldnet.att.net



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Re: LL P2K 2-8-8-2

f-v-h@...
 

Bachman IS a Chinese company. Have been since before the Spectrum
stuff started showing up. I suspect lhat LL may have similar (if not
the same) ownership.

FH


Re: LL P2K 2-8-8-2

Walt Gay <waltrail@...>
 

LL owns the factory and subs for Bachmann, Atlas and others.

Thomas Beutel wrote:

From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

I would have to wonder about the reason for this. I can't see any benefit
for LifeLike subcontracting Roco for the initial run, unless Roco has some
expertise that the Chinese subcontractors don't have, which I think is
unlikely. (my $0.02 ;-)

Any ETA on the 2-8-8-2?

By the way, do LifeLike and Bachmann subcontract to the same factory(s) in
China, or do they have captive lines? Just curious.

Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

Rumor has it that while the initial run was done by Roco, subsequent
engines may be coming from China. If this is true, then the limited edition
first run will
be unique, and possibly more valuable.<<

Keeping the memory of steam alive!


Re: LL P2K 2-8-8-2

Walt Gay <waltrail@...>
 

I don't think so. Roco is a new vendor for LL. The next run should be larger,
but still from Roco.

Walt

Jon Miller wrote:

From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>

Here is a good one for the steam list to throw around for awhile, off of
r.m.r. It been slow here!

Rumor has it that while the initial run was done by Roco, subsequent
engines may be coming from China. If this is true, then the limited edition
first run will
be unique, and possibly more valuable.<<

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Keeping the memory of steam alive!


Re: LL P2K 2-8-8-2

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Another rumor has it (and this one may be more accurate) that the 0-8-0
was started (in China) before the 2-8-8-2, but the 2-8-8-2 was finished
first. It just may be China does not have the knowledge yet to do a steamer
and that first one took them a long time. Kind of like them learning how to
do brass. Somehow that doesn't make sense to me because I think the
Bachmann engines are done in China, right?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: LL P2K 2-8-8-2

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

I would have to wonder about the reason for this. I can't see any benefit
for LifeLike subcontracting Roco for the initial run, unless Roco has some
expertise that the Chinese subcontractors don't have, which I think is
unlikely. (my $0.02 ;-)

Any ETA on the 2-8-8-2?

By the way, do LifeLike and Bachmann subcontract to the same factory(s) in
China, or do they have captive lines? Just curious.

Thomas Beutel
San Francisco


Rumor has it that while the initial run was done by Roco, subsequent
engines may be coming from China. If this is true, then the limited edition
first run will
be unique, and possibly more valuable.<<


Re: LL P2K 2-8-8-2

Leo Pesce <leo@...>
 

Wait,

are we buying this stuff for collecting or for running.

Look what happened to the brass, now that we start getting something
that is again affordable, it is snatched away from us operators?

On the other hand, thanks for the tip, I will be waiting for the one from
China, will cost less.

Cheers
Leo



From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>

Here is a good one for the steam list to throw around for awhile, off of
r.m.r. It been slow here!

Rumor has it that while the initial run was done by Roco, subsequent
engines may be coming from China. If this is true, then the limited
edition
first run will
be unique, and possibly more valuable.<<

Jon Miller


Re: LL P2K 2-8-8-2

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Here is a good one for the steam list to throw around for awhile, off of
r.m.r. It been slow here!

Rumor has it that while the initial run was done by Roco, subsequent
engines may be coming from China. If this is true, then the limited edition
first run will
be unique, and possibly more valuable.<<

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Buying in pounds? Exchange rates.

George Gilbert <grgilbert@...>
 

Try this site for exchange rates
http://www.xe.net/ucc/

George Gilbert


From: "eric wolfsbane" <wolfsbane@hotmail.com>
Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com> writes

"I looked at the Ultrascale site and it seems to me that the prices for
their drivers and motors are very reasonable (I'm assuming roughly 2
pounds
to the dollar).


Re: small can motors

Mike Turner <miketurner@...>
 

Maxon and MicroMo both make excellent small motors.


Re: small can motors

R. Keith Heinsohn <keith@...>
 

On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:11:59 EST, you wrote:

From: "eric wolfsbane" <wolfsbane@hotmail.com>
Also, another source of motors is:

Micromo Electronics
14881 Evergreen Avenue
Clearwater, FL 33762-3008
1-800-807-9166 usa/can
http://www.micromo.com
Interesting place. For model trains, what does one need, coreless DC,
permanent magnet DC, or brushless DC?
...Keith
--
e-mail: keith@heinsohn.org Santa Clara, CA.

Any technology distinguisable from magic is insufficiently advanced.--from Arthur C. Clarke


Re: small can motors

eric wolfsbane <wolfsbane@...>
 

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com> writes

"I looked at the Ultrascale site and it seems to me that the prices for
their drivers and motors are very reasonable (I'm assuming roughly 2 pounds
to the dollar).

Actually the exhange rate is roughly around $1.50 per british pound last
time I checked. As for the prices they are indeed reasonable. Doesn't
greenway products charge something like $18.00 per axle? The M.G.B.s.

"I'm having trouble however understanding the terminology. Can
anyone translate OO, E.M., and 18.83 gauges? Which one is HO?"

OO is 4mm per foot or 1/76th scale that runs on HO scale [16.5 mm] track.
EM gauge is finescale 4mm modeling and runs on actual 18.83 mm track which
is the correct gauge for OO scale. It's kind of the reverse of O scale
'standard gauge' which actually runs on 5' gauge track and modelers decided
to proto:48 it by narrowing the track to the correct gauge. It's like that.

Remember if your ordering their drivers for American models that OO scale
dimensions are 14% bigger than HO. having to ship something back to England
because it's the wrong size will cut into any proce savings real quick.

Model railroading is fun, sometimes. ;-)


Also, another source of motors is:

Micromo Electronics
14881 Evergreen Avenue
Clearwater, FL 33762-3008
1-800-807-9166 usa/can
http://www.micromo.com

They have motors with single and double shafts, diameters of 10 to 35 mm.
voltages of up to 48 vdc are available if you need a reduced rpm for your
application. They also offer sample purchases of up to five units.



Eric Soencksen
Wolfsbane@hotmail.com


Re: Small can motors

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Jon,

It will be interesting to see what NWSL comes up with. The Maxon motor line
looks good, but brushless motors are delicate beasts.

Regarding 3 pole motors, I have no problem with them as long as they work. I
think that 3-pole motors have a bad reputation because so many cheap motors
have 3-poles, but I sure that some 3 pole motors are just fine.

I looked at the Ultrascale site and it seems to me that the prices for their
drivers and motors are very reasonable (I'm assuming roughly 2 pounds to the
dollar). I'm having trouble however understanding the terminology. Can
anyone translate OO, E.M., and 18.83 gauges? Which one is HO?

Also, what is an indented axle? Does that mean it has a shoulder for the
bearing?

Thanks much!
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Miller [mailto:atsf@inow.com]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 8:42 AM
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Small can motors


From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>

NWSL was supposed to be replacing the Sagami motors with a new line. I
don't know if that has happened or not. There is no listing on there web
page only email for their motor listings.
The "Ultrascale" site has some Buhler 3 pole (segment) motors at 14mm x
17mm. Personally I don't like 3 pole motors, but???? This is a UK site and
you would have to order them from there. Let me know if you are thinking
about an order as I wish to get some wheels and other items from them. You
might want to look.
http://www.ultrascale.co.uk/products.htm

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623

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