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Re: Rumored HO Steam locos

R. Keith Heinsohn <keith@...>
 

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:47:34 -0700, you wrote:

From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Can anyone shed any light on the following rumored locos to be produced in
2000?
Bachmann 0-6-0T Tank loco (#81801 Sep 2000)
The Walther's page for announcements for Sept 1999 does not specifically
say that that switcher is one of their Spectrum line, so I suppose it
isn't. I wish it was so it would have a better chance of being a good
model.
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Re: Rumored HO Steam locos

BillD53A@...
 

Just heard from Kato...the 2-6-0 in the walthers catalog is a Japanese
National Railways C-56 prototype. Nice of them to answer!


Re: Rumored HO Steam locos

f-v-h@...
 

I betcha that Kato "C-56" is a Japanese prototype. The number is
consistant with JNR practice, and Kato does a LOT of world-market stuff
we never see in the U.S.A.
If it's Japanese, then if it's HO gauge it's not HO SCALE. The JNR
in steam days was all 42" gauge, and a mite small.
So the proportion is probibly more like 1:76. You might check out
Kato's site. The answer could be there( I thikk I'll go have a look,
too!)


P2K Articulated - orders closing

"Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@...
 

ECMR have advised their email list that orders for the first release of the
P2K H0 articulated are likely to be closed off by LL on Friday of this week.
They have advised an expected list of $375 and a price from them of $245
which rather scotches the notion that this loco won't be discounted. Hmmmm,
$245 sight unseen. If it were an SP type I'd have to be tempted - it is not
a whole lot more expensive than the 25 year old bodied Rivarossi locos. But
it is not suitable for SP so that settles that. Darn it.

BTW, if any of you guys want to be kept up to date on what ECMR are
offering you can request to go on their weekly email at

ECMR1@aol.com

You will need to tell them the scale that interests you as they have
separate mailings for each scale.


Nelson Kennedy
Christchurch, New Zealand
Ferrymead Trams, NZR 0 gauge, a little Espee H0 are at
http://downunder.railfan.net


Re: Rumored HO Steam locos

BillD53A@...
 

Kato doesn't have anything listed...I sent them an e-mail, and am waiting for
a reply


Re: Rumored HO Steam locos

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Bruce,

It's listed at www.walthers.com for $432, and the web page claims that it's
in stock (!). It's says HO. Go to the walthers web page and search for
2-6-0. It's listed behind the IHC moguls.

Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Pryor [mailto:bpryor@pacifier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:43 PM
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [HOsteam] Rumored HO Steam locos


From: Bruce Pryor <bpryor@pacifier.com>

Thomas,

Where is your Kato rumor from?

Thanks,

Bruce Pryor
White Pass & Yukon Pictures
http://www.pacifier.com/~bpryor
Narrow Gauge From Off the Beaten Path
http://narrowmind.railfan.net

From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Can anyone shed any light on the following rumored locos to be produced in
2000?

Bachmann 4-8-4 GN w/ vanderbilt tender (#58161 Jul 2000)
Bachmann 4-6-0 SPC (#81095 Nov 2000) is this On30?
Bachmann 2-10-0 Russian Decapod WM, ACL, Erie, Frisco (#81701-705 Dec
2000)
Bachmann 0-6-0T Tank loco (#81801 Sep 2000)
Bachmann 80Ton 3-truck Shay (#81901-906 Dec 2000) is this HO?

Kato 2-6-0 DRGW C-56 (#1201) HOn3?

Thanks!
Thomas
Keeping the memory of steam alive!


Re: Rumored HO Steam locos

Bruce Pryor <bpryor@...>
 

Thomas,

Where is your Kato rumor from?

Thanks,

Bruce Pryor
White Pass & Yukon Pictures
http://www.pacifier.com/~bpryor
Narrow Gauge From Off the Beaten Path
http://narrowmind.railfan.net

From: Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@efi.com>

Can anyone shed any light on the following rumored locos to be produced in
2000?

Bachmann 4-8-4 GN w/ vanderbilt tender (#58161 Jul 2000)
Bachmann 4-6-0 SPC (#81095 Nov 2000) is this On30?
Bachmann 2-10-0 Russian Decapod WM, ACL, Erie, Frisco (#81701-705 Dec 2000)
Bachmann 0-6-0T Tank loco (#81801 Sep 2000)
Bachmann 80Ton 3-truck Shay (#81901-906 Dec 2000) is this HO?

Kato 2-6-0 DRGW C-56 (#1201) HOn3?

Thanks!
Thomas


Rumored HO Steam locos

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Can anyone shed any light on the following rumored locos to be produced in
2000?

Bachmann 4-8-4 GN w/ vanderbilt tender (#58161 Jul 2000)
Bachmann 4-6-0 SPC (#81095 Nov 2000) is this On30?
Bachmann 2-10-0 Russian Decapod WM, ACL, Erie, Frisco (#81701-705 Dec 2000)
Bachmann 0-6-0T Tank loco (#81801 Sep 2000)
Bachmann 80Ton 3-truck Shay (#81901-906 Dec 2000) is this HO?

Kato 2-6-0 DRGW C-56 (#1201) HOn3?

Thanks!
Thomas


Re: Rumored HO Steam locos

BillD53A@...
 

The Bachmann 4-6-0, decapod, tank engine, and Shay are all presently listed
in th Walthers catalog. Dont know about the others


Re: Winton 2-6-6-6

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

This is for you old timers like me. Has anyone ever seen a later model
of the Winton 2-6-6-6. There is a gentleman selling one of the earlier ones
on ebay, but he was totally surprised by some of the pictures I have. These
pictures are in a book by Louis Hertz titled "Advanced Model Railroading"
published in 1955. It has many pictures of the Winton engine with many,
many lost wax castings. It seems however that no one has ever seen that
engine, they have only seen the earlier one that was all hand assembly. Any
thoughts on this?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623


Re: A new era in plastic steam engines

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Wow! 950,000 Euros to develop... Let's see, that's $1,034,630!!! I really
love those headlights, complete with miniature reflectors.

Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Pesce [mailto:leo@sco.COM]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:41 PM
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Subject: [HOsteam] A new era in plastic steam engines


From: Leo Pesce <leo@sco.COM>

Hello,

with all this talk about starting to see american companies making
fine plastic steam engines, I would like to present the following
link to the Roco presentation of their new Austrian 310.

http://212.223.48.162/roco02/roco310/default.htm

I believe Roco has upped the ante to all other manufacturers.

Enjoy the show.

Cheers
Leo


A new era in plastic steam engines

Leo Pesce <leo@...>
 

Hello,

with all this talk about starting to see american companies making
fine plastic steam engines, I would like to present the following
link to the Roco presentation of their new Austrian 310.

http://212.223.48.162/roco02/roco310/default.htm

I believe Roco has upped the ante to all other manufacturers.

Enjoy the show.

Cheers
Leo


Re: [wplist] Re: P2K articulated???

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

I looked at Kalmbach's Locomotive Cyclopedia last night. It has good photos
of the evolution of the USRA 2-8-8-2, from early to late N&W designs. The
obvious major changes are:
- Small firebox to large firebox
- Inside bearing to outside bearing lead and trailing trucks
- Small to large tenders
- Straight cab to slanted cab

I think an early USRA 2-8-8-2 could be a starting point for a 250-series WP
engine, the major sticking points being that the WP engines had slanted cabs
and different crossheads. The rest of the details of course are easier to
change, assuming your wallet can cough up the dough for brass parts.

Thomas Beutel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Eager [mailto:jeager@visionol.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:47 AM
To: wplist@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [wplist] Re: [HOsteam] P2K articulated???


From: Jim Eager <jeager@visionol.net>

From: KyleWyatt@aol.com

I believe the N&W class Y6b (the Rivarossi engine) was derived from their
earlier class Y3, also known as a USRA. To be sure there are differences,
but I believe the family linage is apparent in the Y6b.
Correct, but the differences between a Y6b and the original USRA design are
hardly minor.


Jim Eager jeager@visionol.net
Toronto, Ontario
Canada


Decals for Missouri & Arkansas

Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@...>
 

Does anyone know if there are decals for Missouri & Arkansas steam engines out
there anywhere? I know there were some boxcar decals, but don't know about
steam. I want to model an M&A Consolidation, one of the 40-class engines that
came from the Big Four. Also, if anyone knows where I might find photographs
of these, the info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance,

Brad Bourbina

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Re: P2K articulated???

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Any thoughts on a possible kitbashing of a Western Pacific 2-8-8-2 from a
USRA design? (250 series, if I remember WP's loco numbering correctly...)

Thomas Beutel
San Francisco

-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Pesce [mailto:leo@sco.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 11:05 AM
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [HOsteam] P2K articulated???]


From: Leo Pesce <leo@sco.COM>

I posed a question to the SP list for possible kitbashing of this engine in
something
that SP had. This was the reply, which also touches on the design of this
articulated.

Cheers
Leo

From: thompson@signaturepress.com (Tony Thompson)

Leo Pesce forwarded this:
Apparently Proto 2000 has decided to do a steam engine, in what they call
their "Proto 2000 Heritage Steam Collection". The unit, a 2-8-8-2 is
modeled after the N&W #20xx series of units. Price is in the $375 range.
and asked:
Would this engine, any of its part be a candidate for an easy kitbash to an
SP
articulated.
The actual P2k locomotive is the USRA design, not the N&W per se, as it
was used by a bunch of roads. The P2K versions will have accurate tenders
and applicances to model the individual roads.
But no, it ain't at all close to any SP power.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Miller <atsf@inow.com>
To: <HOsteam@onelist.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Re: [HOsteam] P2K articulated???]


From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>

I copied this from the Santa Fe list.
Apparently Proto 2000 has decided to do a steam engine, in what they
call
their "Proto 2000 Heritage Steam Collection". The unit, a 2-8-8-2 is
modeled after the N&W #20xx series of units. ATSF acquired a few of these
during the war and sold them to the Virginian Railway in 1948. ATSF
numbered the units in the 1790-1797 series. P2K will release the unit in
two ATSF numbers, 1790 and 1791 as well at N&W 2011 and 2019 as well as
undec. Price is in the $375 range. These were 20 mph units. They had
good boilers and if ATSF hadn't dieselized, the boilers might have ended
up
on the 3751 class.<<

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623

Keeping the memory of steam alive!
Keeping the memory of steam alive!


Re: Articulated budgets

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Actually the price range in hobbies of $250/300 is really not that bad
compared to items in various hobbies. Model airplane engines I believe are
in that range with many other things.
But yes it is high for certain items in model railroading especially if
one is on a limited budget.


Re: [Re: [Re: P2K articulated???]]

Leo Pesce <leo@...>
 

Affordable is a relative word. A Roco engine can cost up to $250-300. If the
P2K engine is of that level, and if one looks at what P2K has done with the
diesels, the price is at the right level. This is an articulated engine.

Compare this to brass, and you will see that the articulated are much more
expensive than non articulated engines.

I would not compare this to Rivarossi, as much as they improved the running
and mechanism, they are still the old dies, and they are overpriced.

If affordable means $150 or less, then look no further than IHM or Bachmann
(and now Athearn)

Cheers
Leo

From: BillD53A@aol.com

The model is listed in the Walthers catalog, 1 undecorated, 2 ATSF #s nd
2NW
#s... price is $375, and no delivery date given.
From: Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@netscape.net>

That's well OUT of what I consider the "affordable" range...

Brad Bourbina


Re: [Re: P2K articulated???]

Leo Pesce <leo@...>
 

I posed a question to the SP list for possible kitbashing of this engine in
something
that SP had. This was the reply, which also touches on the design of this
articulated.

Cheers
Leo

From: thompson@signaturepress.com (Tony Thompson)

Leo Pesce forwarded this:
Apparently Proto 2000 has decided to do a steam engine, in what they call
their "Proto 2000 Heritage Steam Collection". The unit, a 2-8-8-2 is
modeled after the N&W #20xx series of units. Price is in the $375 range.
and asked:
Would this engine, any of its part be a candidate for an easy kitbash to an
SP
articulated.
The actual P2k locomotive is the USRA design, not the N&W per se, as it
was used by a bunch of roads. The P2K versions will have accurate tenders
and applicances to model the individual roads.
But no, it ain't at all close to any SP power.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Miller <atsf@inow.com>
To: <HOsteam@onelist.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Re: [HOsteam] P2K articulated???]


From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>

I copied this from the Santa Fe list.
Apparently Proto 2000 has decided to do a steam engine, in what they
call
their "Proto 2000 Heritage Steam Collection". The unit, a 2-8-8-2 is
modeled after the N&W #20xx series of units. ATSF acquired a few of these
during the war and sold them to the Virginian Railway in 1948. ATSF
numbered the units in the 1790-1797 series. P2K will release the unit in
two ATSF numbers, 1790 and 1791 as well at N&W 2011 and 2019 as well as
undec. Price is in the $375 range. These were 20 mph units. They had
good boilers and if ATSF hadn't dieselized, the boilers might have ended
up
on the 3751 class.<<

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623

Keeping the memory of steam alive!


Articulated budgets

Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@...>
 

It's also relative to personal budget. I'm aware that an articulated is a tad
more complicated, but I'm disappointed that Life-Like thinks that makes it
worth twice as much. I was hoping for something more in the Athearn,
Bachmann, or IHC range...give them a "run for their money" so to speak. Not
the case. Of course, they will be cheaper than what's in the Walther's
Catalog, but I'd still rather have an offering that didn't require I take out
a small personal loan to buy that isn't brass. Prices in the hobby in a lot
of cases seem to be going one direction...and faster than the space program
too.

Brad Bourbina


Leo Pesce <leo@sco.COM> wrote:
Affordable is a relative word. A Roco engine can cost up to $250-300. If the
P2K engine is of that level, and if one looks at what P2K has done with the
diesels, the price is at the right level. This is an articulated engine.

Compare this to brass, and you will see that the articulated are much more
expensive than non articulated engines.

I would not compare this to Rivarossi, as much as they improved the running
and mechanism, they are still the old dies, and they are overpriced.

If affordable means $150 or less, then look no further than IHM or Bachmann
(and now Athearn)

Cheers
Leo

From: BillD53A@aol.com

The model is listed in the Walthers catalog, 1 undecorated, 2 ATSF #s nd
2NW
#s... price is $375, and no delivery date given.
From: Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@netscape.net>

That's well OUT of what I consider the "affordable" range...

Brad Bourbina


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Re: [Re: [Re: P2K articulated???]]

Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@...>
 

That's well OUT of what I consider the "affordable" range...

Brad Bourbina


BillD53A@aol.com wrote:
The model is listed in the Walthers catalog, 1 undecorated, 2 ATSF #s nd 2NW
#s... price is $375, and no delivery date given.

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