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Re: Bachmann mountain

Leonello Pesce <leo@...>
 

Hello all,

during last month thread, there was a number of compliments about
Bachman and their new Mountain.

I would like to include my recent experiences about the engines.

I work one day a week (Saturdays) in a hobby shop, in the RR dpt.
Hence I get to play with a lot of new stuff. This include the
Mountain from Spectrum.

We opened two boxes for demo purposes and found the first to
run as expected, just like the various comments made in this
thread.

The second one I suspect, was a lemon. As soon as we put it on the
tracks, and gave voltage, it started down the track bucking and
making loud noises. Upon inspection, I found the last driver out
of quarter.

So I started to disassemble the engine. Now, I opened and pulled
apart many types of steam model engines, but I could not pull
this one apart. It seems Bachman implemented the classic chinese
puzzle. I was able to open the bottom plate and manually re-quarter
the driver. Solved that problem, The engine still growled.

I suspect at this point a bad gear somewhere between the motor and
the main driver.

What has been the experience of people on this list in opening this
engine? I would be interested in how it is done and what are the
steps.

I must note that I never had to open the Consolidation for fixing
anything (Bachman got this one right, but is it just an anomaly?).

Cheers
Leo


Re: P2K steam?

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <a.bs@...>
 

From: "Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@chch.planet.org.nz>

Has anyone heard anything definite from Life Like? Have I missed an
announcement?

The rumours are abounding and the USRA 0-8-0 is the common thread to most,
but I've not heard any formal announcement.

Whatever - if/when it comes and it's up to their usual standard I'll have
one.

Aidrian
Bury, Lancs
(On ordinary joker getting old before his time - waiting for the Athearn
Mikes)


P2K steam?

"Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@...
 

I've picked up a whisper on rmr that Life Like may be proceeding with a
steam loco. A USRA 0-8-0 has been mentioned as a possibility and Jim Six,
who often knows about these things is predicting alternate parts to meet
road specific details.

Has anyone heard anything definite from Life Like? Have I missed an
announcement?


Nelson Kennedy
Christchurch, New Zealand
Ferrymead Trams, NZR 0 gauge, a little Espee H0 are at
http://downunder.railfan.net


Re: Bachmann mountain

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <a.bs@...>
 

Thanks for the comments - the drivers are a bit limiting, but it's hard to
see how they could have got a scale wheelbase without making them a little
smaller than scale - the same problem arises but far worse with the IHC
engines which get those fat European flanges. Bachmann might have been a
tighter with the clearances and given us 66" or 67" which would have looked
better. It's the usual problem of HO flanges and closely spaced
drivers -what governs the model wheel is the diameter over the flange and
not over the tread.

I'm going to look into the possibility of using some 'OO' Alan Gibson wheels
made for a BR 9F which have the right number of spokes and scale at about
5'8". However the thing runs so beautifully that I don't want to screw that
up in the pursuit of scale wheels - so I might leave it for a while and just
work on the cab. That's an easy fix- I've done the basic structure in an
evening, but I'd have to admit marking it out was more of a challenge than
building it, there are some cussedly awkward shapes in it if you have to
work out the various radii wihout having their centres marked on the
drawing.

The chassis as it stands might do very well for a 63"Mikado if there were
any of the right fixed wheelbase- I can't think of any off the top of my
head,unless something along the lines of the Southern 63" rebuilds of the
USRA 2-10-2s came close. The model is as close as you could want to the USRA
mountains in that department - however at 18'3" equally divided it would
make it impossible to fit anything like 72" drivers to the Bachmann chassis.


Aidrian


Re: Bachmann mountain

Thomas Beutel <Thomas.Beutel@...>
 

Hi Aidrian,

Great report! Thanks for the in-depth coverage. I look forward to getting
the loco soon, although I'm dissappointed that the drivers aren't a bit
larger. Both my prototype interests, Southern Pacific and Western Pacific,
had 4-8-2's with much larger drivers, 72 inches I believe.

Doesn't the IHC 4-8-2 also have small drivers? (not that the IHC loco in any
way compares to the new Spectrum mountain... ;-)

Thanks!
Thomas Beutel
San Francisco


Re: Bachmann mountain

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <a.bs@...>
 

It gets better - I made the comment about new tender trucks. I understand
that they are shipping the engines with different tender trucks depending
on the paint job, which will make life easier.

It seems odd that Bachmann in the US have that somewhat unfortunate
reputation whereas their British models are among the best of breed. The
Athearn Genesis range is a good example of a manufacturer positioning a new
section of the range to distance it from the other products.

1) They have delivered this loco on time. That will really confound some
of the critics.

Before in this case - their website still says September shipping in the US.

2) They have taken top place in the MR readers 'product of the year' for
two successive years.

They will be up against some stiff compettion from the Athearn mikado this
time round in the steam field.

Aidrian


Re: Bachmann mountain

"Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@...
 

Thanks for those prompt comments, Aidrian.

It looks as though Bachmann are set on carving a new niche. With three
Spectrum steamers that buyers are finding only detail faults with bodes well
for future development. I can't help but think that but the Bachmann and
Spectrum names are so tarnished that launching this new generation of
products under a new label might have been a good marketing ploy.

Having said that - a couple of observations -

1) They have delivered this loco on time. That will really confound some
of the critics.

2) They have taken top place in the MR readers 'product of the year' for
two successive years.

Not bad for a brand that is maligned and scoffed (sometimes deservedly IMHO)
as often as it is.


Nelson Kennedy
Christchurch, New Zealand
Ferrymead Trams, NZR 0 gauge, a little Espee H0 are at
http://downunder.railfan.net


Bachmann mountain

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <a.bs@...>
 

Yes they�re out � in these parts at least. I picked up mine from Porter-Wynn
in Clitheroe this morning and thought I�d share first impressions.

This particular model is in NC&StL colours, though since I plan to do things
to mine, that�s of academic importance. No it doesn�t have the NCSL flanged
stack I�m afraid, but it does have nice paint and well executed printing

First just what does it represent? As far as I can tell from a preliminary
inspection it�s accurate for the original USRA light mountains, with bar
pilot, the bell mounted on the smokebox front, fabricated rear truck and
Baker valve gear.

It�s clearly of the same stable as the earlier consolidation � it shares the
same tender though there are no obvious carryovers in other areas. The
tender trucks have been changed. The construction is similar with injection
moulded boiler, separate domes stack and smokebox front and having the
mechanism carried in a die-cast weight. The main drivers are sprung, with
the others rigid. Both trucks are die-castings, but neither is sprung, nor
are they fitted with any form of lateral control. The tender contains a
board for a DCC decoder chip in the same way as the consolidation, but the
connectors on the engine and tender have been reversed from those on the
consolidation for some reason. Headlight and firebox have lamps, though how
they expect it to steam with the firedoors stuck open is a mystery!

Generally, it checks out pretty well against drawings, though there are a
couple of questions. The wheelbase is about spot on, but the drivers are
undersized by a good bit, 64� vs 69�, and it shows � the engine gets a
slightly long low racy look, like certain French engines or the New Zealand
Railways �J� class 4-8-2. There�s not a great deal they could have done to
avoid a degree of undersize with HO flanges, but the designer might have
worked with less generous clearances and still have got a workable model
with wheels closer to scale.

The motion looks pretty good, with working knuckles in the side rods, and
nice fine valve gear. Like all mass produced motion there are things that
could be done to improve it, but that�s something I hope to see from the
aftermarket detail manufacturers before long.

The cab just doesn�t convince me I�m afraid. The side elevation is good, but
it misses the one thing that makes it a USRA cab � that distinctive
quasi-gambrel roof. This strikes me as a pretty serious faux pas in the
design stages, since this is one of the essential distinguishing marks of a
USRA locomotive. The rivets on the cab sides are also crudely oversized,
which seems odd when it�s realised that the details and riveting elsewhere
is nicely weighted, and that the washout plugs are too fine if anything

The tender doesn�t quite match the drawings I have, but it looks the part.

They have learned a little from the consolidation� the lagging bands on the
boiler seem to be a more restrained, though still a bit chunky, and the
handrail posts seem finer, but they are still sticking with that damnable
bottle glass glazing for the cab windows. There are a few mould part lines
visible on the boiler top steam pipes and are reservoirs, and a little flash
appears on the aftercooler piping, and a couple of slightly ragged edges
around the cylinders.

How does it run? In a nutshell, sweetly, and sweetly right out of the box. I
haven�t tested it extensively or scientifically, but it will run down to a
crawl when light, and it�s fresh out of the box. There�s a bit of noise, but
nothing to write home about. I haven�t the space to give a maximum load test
so that�s for someone else with a longer mainline to try.

Summary � a good effort, with lots of kitbashing potential, but also one
which raises some quibbles and has one glaring mistake that really should
have been picked up on. Perhaps I�m expecting it to have the same impact on
me as the consolidation did, but there�s a feeling that the first person to
offer a better cab as a conversion set will do very nicely. It�s a seven
out of ten effort, which makes me think of some of the reports I used to get
at school � �Would do better I he applied himself�.

That said it looks well and runs well, and deserves to sell well.

Aidrian


Re: [RE: Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado]

Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr. <ramsler@...>
 

Pullman Green. Also there are a number of types considering air
conditioning. The letter boards are also different. Some have the MoP on
them and other the Pullman lettering with MP initials.

The only critique I have is the engine appeared too devoid of details.
Perhaps one might have to add some piping and appliances. However, I did
not have my copy of MoPac Power to pick a nit. :>)


Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr.
ramsler@worldnet.att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bourbina [mailto:bbbourbina@netscape.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 10:30 PM
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [RE: [HOsteam] Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado]

From: Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@netscape.net>

Robert and others,
Is there a better photo of the Mountain on the web as yet? I would like to
get a better comparison between it and the Mopac 5300's...I was looking
through Mopac Power and comparing them to the small shot posted on the sneak
previews part of the Bachmann page and I just couldn't quite get a good
comparison...although it does have a good resemblance to the 5316...
Also glad to hear the heavyweights are going to be done in Mopac...will they
be Blue and Grey or Pullman green?

Thanks,
Brad Bourbina
Dispatcher, SKOL/SLWC/TIBR

"Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr." <ramsler@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I was at St. Paul. Bachman's mountains are out and they are very good.
They are also redoing the Pullman heavyweights and coming out with new names
including my favorite, MoPac.

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Re: Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado

Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr. <ramsler@...>
 

I was at St. Paul. Bachman's mountains are out and they are very good.
They are also redoing the Pullman heavyweights and coming out with new names
including my favorite, MoPac. They are also releasing new city buildings
that are skyscrapers in HO. Very good detail. Just what we have come to
expect from Bachman.

In the O scale category, the new On30" trains were on display. Lee Riley of
Bachman told me to expect a complete line of O scale buildings and other
items to complement the trains.

All I can say is I love Bachman.

Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr.
ramsler@worldnet.att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson Kennedy [mailto:nelsonk@chch.planet.org.nz]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 4:24 PM
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Subject: [HOsteam] Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado

From: "Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@chch.planet.org.nz>

I've heard a little whisper that both these new locos were put through their
paces at the NMRA bash In St Paul these last few days.

Were any listers present and able to offer comments on these new models?
Enquiring minds need to know!


Nelson Kennedy
Christchurch, New Zealand.
Ferrymead Trams, NZR 0 gauge trains and a little Espee in H0 are at
http://downunder.railfan.net


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Re: [RE: [RE: Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado]]

Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@...>
 

That's kinda what I thought...the boiler seemed rather barren...added
appliances...hm....maybe I'll scratchbuild me another Elesco feedwater
heater...

Glad to hear they'll be Pullman green! I like that look.

Brad Bourbina
Dispatcher, SKOL/SLWC/TIBR


"Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr." <ramsler@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
From: "Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr." <ramsler@worldnet.att.net>

Pullman Green. Also there are a number of types considering air
conditioning. The letter boards are also different. Some have the MoP on
them and other the Pullman lettering with MP initials.

The only critique I have is the engine appeared too devoid of details.
Perhaps one might have to add some piping and appliances. However, I did
not have my copy of MoPac Power to pick a nit. :>)


Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr.
ramsler@worldnet.att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bourbina [mailto:bbbourbina@netscape.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 10:30 PM
To: HOsteam@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [RE: [HOsteam] Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado]

From: Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@netscape.net>

Robert and others,
Is there a better photo of the Mountain on the web as yet? I would like to
get a better comparison between it and the Mopac 5300's...I was looking
through Mopac Power and comparing them to the small shot posted on the sneak
previews part of the Bachmann page and I just couldn't quite get a good
comparison...although it does have a good resemblance to the 5316...
Also glad to hear the heavyweights are going to be done in Mopac...will they
be Blue and Grey or Pullman green?

Thanks,
Brad Bourbina
Dispatcher, SKOL/SLWC/TIBR

"Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr." <ramsler@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I was at St. Paul. Bachman's mountains are out and they are very good.
They are also redoing the Pullman heavyweights and coming out with new names
including my favorite, MoPac.

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Re: [RE: Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado]

Brad Bourbina <bbbourbina@...>
 

Robert and others,
Is there a better photo of the Mountain on the web as yet? I would like to
get a better comparison between it and the Mopac 5300's...I was looking
through Mopac Power and comparing them to the small shot posted on the sneak
previews part of the Bachmann page and I just couldn't quite get a good
comparison...although it does have a good resemblance to the 5316...
Also glad to hear the heavyweights are going to be done in Mopac...will they
be Blue and Grey or Pullman green?

Thanks,
Brad Bourbina
Dispatcher, SKOL/SLWC/TIBR

"Robert Joseph Amsler, Jr." <ramsler@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I was at St. Paul. Bachman's mountains are out and they are very good.
They are also redoing the Pullman heavyweights and coming out with new names
including my favorite, MoPac.

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Bachmann Mountain and Genny Mikado

"Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@...
 

I've heard a little whisper that both these new locos were put through their
paces at the NMRA bash In St Paul these last few days.

Were any listers present and able to offer comments on these new models?
Enquiring minds need to know!


Nelson Kennedy
Christchurch, New Zealand.
Ferrymead Trams, NZR 0 gauge trains and a little Espee in H0 are at
http://downunder.railfan.net


John Gardener's Homepage

"Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@...
 

Last weekend I advised of John's URL. Here it is again:

http://www.homestead.com/jg_models/files/index.htm

I've done quite a bit of tidying up. The page will load a lot faster now
and the reader will have the option of going to sub pages for each loco type
which will avoid unnecessary download of images that might not be of
interest at the time.

The photos have been improved in several cases and the pictures of the new
Toshiba Eo electrics have been posted. A first generation digital camera
certainly has its limitations, but it is probably better than I could do
with a hack 35mm job.

Enjoy.

BTW, John has been delighted with the initial response to his page going
live.

Nelson Kennedy
Christchurch, New Zealand
Ferrymead Trams, NZR 0 gauge, a little Espee H0 are at
http://downunder.railfan.net


Re: unsubscribe

f-v-h@...
 

Yes Eldon, it's Westside, listed as a GS7/8. They were former SSW
engines transferred to the SP as the Belt dieselised. The first came
about 1950.
There seem to be a lot of GS engines available right now,every
dealer has a few. Wade through dealer listings and you might get lucky.
Another choice would be to put your own ad in MR or the NMRA BULL. Those
are seen by a LOT of people!


Re: Raul's Photo of an ATSF 2-6-0

Roger Aultman <raul@...>
 

eldenbaker@yahoo.com wrote:

From: eldenbaker@yahoo.com

Raul,

That's a great photo that you posted in the shared files. How about telling us a little about it?
For anybody who hasn't seen the photo, check it out!

Talk to you later.
Elden
Elden Thanks for the kind words on the 2-6-0. It is a IHC mogul which
I attempted to give a ATSF flavor. This was done a few years ago with
no notes taken. I recall the most involved part was relocating the
headlight from the front of the boiler to the top, also the tender was
modified to make it resemble the prototype picture. I believe the IHC
loco's deserve a closer look as a basis for modification. They are good
runners and pretty easy to work on. They get a bad rap as poor pullers
but I do not see this as a major handicap for a older era locomotive.
Roger Aultman

--
http://www.nconnect.net/~raul/AA1.htm


Re: Raul's Photo of an ATSF 2-6-0

eldenbaker@...
 

Raul,

That's a great photo that you posted in the shared files. How about telling us a little about it?
For anybody who hasn't seen the photo, check it out!

Talk to you later.
Elden


Re: unsubscribe

Elden Baker <eldenbaker@...>
 

Okay folks,

Let's see if I can get something started. Many years
ago, I had (key word "had") a model of Southern
Pacific 4-8-4. If I remember correctly, it was a
Westside brass and they listed it as a "GS-8." It was
unpainted and, at the time, I couldn't find an exact
match for it on the Espee. I sold it in 1979 and I
really wish I had kept it. Turns out the model was a
dead ringer for a Cotton Belt 817 (L-1 class) which
later became SP 4488.

So, I have three questions: First, can anybody confirm
this was a Westside model? Second Does anybody know
where I can find another model? (And, I'm sure it will
cost me A LOT MORE $$$ than I sold the last one for).
Three, is there another manufacture that has this
model available.

How's that, Nelson? I know of your fondness for both
steam and the Cotton Belt. Me Too :)

Talk to you later.
Elden

--- Nelson Kennedy <nelsonk@chch.planet.org.nz> wrote:

<snip> But hey, guys, don't all leave. Post
something instead!


Re: unsubscribe

Nelson Kennedy <nelsonk@...
 

At 10:14 PM 7/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
From: Don <moltrain@netwalk.com>
Don, and for the information of other list members, you should click on
the unsubscribe URL in the message header to effect an automated
unsubscription.


But hey, guys, don't all leave. Post something instead!


Nelson Kennedy, Christchurch, New Zealand
Ferrymead Trams, 0 gauge NZR trains and a little Espee H0 are at:
http://DownUnder.Railfan.net


S scale locos on HO track - product announcement

"Nelson Kennedy" <nelsonk@...
 

John Gardener, who makes kits for steam locos in Sn3�, has listed his kits
at:

http://www.homestead.com/jg_models/files/index.htm



Nelson Kennedy
Christchurch, New Zealand
Ferrymead Trams, NZR 0 gauge, a little Espee H0 are at
http://downunder.railfan.net

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