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Re: Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts

prgm_mgr
 

For what it's worth I used a milling bit in my drill press without any problems. Just go slow and don't try to hog off too much material at a time. 

The lathe picture seems to have the grinding part on the end, maybe for grinding lathe tool bits. Doesn't seem designed for milli work.

Mark

Re: Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts

Victor Bitleris
 

It looks like it is plastic and it calls itself a wood turning lathe.  Yes, it says metal grinding, which probably means you can put a grinding wheel or grinding tool (like Dremel) and grind metal to sharpen chisels and drill bits.  But I doubt it would hold up much for metal milling.  You would be better off with a Harbor Freight table top drill press for milling.  Yes, drill presses aren't made for milling, but should be fine for the kind of work we do.
Just my 2 cents.  I also have a Taig and the milling attachment, but that doesn't mean it is an easy job, you still have to use the file to finish it off.

Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC


From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> on behalf of Ed via Groups.Io <epts2@...>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 11:43 AM
To: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io>
Subject: [HO-Steam] Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts
 
Hi All --

In order to re-power a couple of old diecast locomotives, I need to change the geared axle from the rearmost to the front or maybe middle driver axle.

That would involve opening up a slot for a gearbox in a new position as seen in the image below. So, my question is... does anyone think this hobbyist  multi tool would be able to do the job cleanly and accurately enough?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-in-1-Mini-Wood-Lathe-for-Metal-Grinding-Woodworking-Hobby-DIY-Tool-AC-100-240V-/352111927072

I don't suppose

Many thanks for your thoughts.
Ed

Mini-Lathe For Work on Brass/Diecast Loco Frames and Parts

Ed
 

Hi All --

In order to re-power a couple of old diecast locomotives, I need to change the geared axle from the rearmost to the front or maybe middle driver axle.

That would involve opening up a slot for a gearbox in a new position as seen in the image below. So, my question is... does anyone think this hobbyist  multi tool would be able to do the job cleanly and accurately enough?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-in-1-Mini-Wood-Lathe-for-Metal-Grinding-Woodworking-Hobby-DIY-Tool-AC-100-240V-/352111927072

I don't suppose

Many thanks for your thoughts.
Ed

FS – HO DCC Ready Spectrum UP 2-8-0 Locomotive and UP Caboose

dandrewscan
 

 

Good Day Folks – Please look at these items and email me directly at dandrews1@... with your interest and Zip Code for a shipping estimate.

These two items are being sold together as a set – If you would like a photo I will be pleased to email to you.  Please send me your address offlist.

Here is a description of the loco and caboose:

One HO Bachmann Spectrum Baldwin 2-8-0 Locomotive and tender.  This DCC ready unit is factory painted in Union Pacific livery and has road number 721.  The unit has been test run only as I do not have a layout and it is packed in factory original box with foam and all instruction sheets.  Kadee compatible EZ Mate couplers are installed.
 

One matching Athearn Union Pacific Caboose.  Unit is factory painted and completely built up.  Kadee couplers are installed. 

The price for the set of two items is 80 US$ plus actual shipping cost to your location.

General l Information

I am located in Eastern Canada.  Shipping Method, Tracking and Insurance is the buyer's choice and those costs and the price of the items are the buyer's responsibility to pay in full to the seller prior to shipment.  My experience is the Post Office is the cheapest method.
 

All prices are in US Dollars.  Payment is to be made by personal check mailed to me.  Sorry, I do not take PayPal.  I ship once your check clears my bank which usually takes only a few days.  Typical post office delivery from my location to Canada or the US 48 states is 5 business days.  Any applicable taxes or duties of any kind for delivery to your location are the buyer’s responsibility to pay in full directly to the relevant jurisdiction.

To get you a quote on shipping costs please contact me directly by email with your interest and shipping address including ZIP or Postal Code at dandrews1@...

Thank you in advance for your interest in this sale opportunity.

Best Regards,  Doug Andrews

Re: Remotoring WSM articulateds.

John Hagen
 

Not only are they articulated but they are basically diesels dressed up to look like a steam engine. The rear engine, which is rigid in the prototype and on almost all brass and all Bowser Challengers and Big Boys. Starting with the AHM/Rivarossi articulateds, it seems all “modern” articulated models have rear engines swivel just like they do on a diesel, a set up that would be impossible on the prototypes. I’ve been told I am a throwback to the dark ages but I always believed that prototype is prototype and not prototype is, well, not per a true prototype. I do understand the reasoning behind all the foolbies out there but any reference to these models should clearly state what makes the model unworkable as a prototype. To those who claim it really isn’t that noticeable obviously never looked at one on a curve.

So far as your situation, while a Trix (Athearn, Rivarossi or whatever plastic articulated except Mantua’s 2-6-6-2) Big Boy will negotiate a 30” radius curve, if someone were to bring down his/her highly detailed (and very expensive) brass Big boy, he (or she) just may not be able to run it.

For what it’s worth.

John Hagen

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io On Behalf Of George Galyon via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 1:09 PM
To: SP4149 <ken@...>; HO-Steam@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] Remotoring WSM articulateds.

 

I absolutely would like to see this web page created.. your web page is one of my favorites.   One question re the 36" radius requirement...Our club regularly runs Big Boys (Trix ) through 30" curves with no running problems at all.  I don't know if any of the drivers are blind but I can easily find out.  And I can measure the lateral "play" also.  I also run an Westside 4-4-6-4 thru the same 30" curves (I removed the cab-to-tender short failure mode) without any running problems although I do worry about excessive wear on the gear train.  But the 4-4-6-4 is a uni-frame whereas the big boys and the 4-8-8-2s  are articulated (aren't they?).  

  

Re: Remotoring WSM articulateds.

SP4149
 

George,

These large articulateds had one rigid frame engine directly attached to the boiler. and one articulated engine swinging under neath the boiler/smokebox.

Many low cost plastic/diecast models included the Broadway Limited and MTH SP Cab Forwards do not have a rigid frame engine, instead both sets of drivers

pivot under the boiler allowing these large articulateds to go around much tighter curves.


The WSM AC-4 had twin idler gearboxes with the motor shaft drivetrain up in the boiler.  The gearboxes were on the second axle of each engine.  The articulated

pivot point was at the end of the rigid frame engine.  Since the gearbox extended up into the shell, the swing of the articulated engine interferred with the shell.  By

moving the gearbox a scale 6 feet closer to the pivot point, a smaller turning radius was achieved (about 30" radius) on later WSM cab forwards.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



On 2019-09-19 11:09, George Galyon via Groups.Io wrote:

I absolutely would like to see this web page created.. your web page is one of my favorites.   One question re the 36" radius requirement...Our club regularly runs Big Boys (Trix ) through 30" curves with no running problems at all.  I don't know if any of the drivers are blind but I can easily find out.  And I can measure the lateral "play" also.  I also run an Westside 4-4-6-4 thru the same 30" curves (I removed the cab-to-tender short failure mode) without any running problems although I do worry about excessive wear on the gear train.  But the 4-4-6-4 is a uni-frame whereas the big boys and the 4-8-8-2s  are articulated (aren't they?).  

  


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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: Remotoring WSM articulateds.

George Galyon
 

I absolutely would like to see this web page created.. your web page is one of my favorites.   One question re the 36" radius requirement...Our club regularly runs Big Boys (Trix ) through 30" curves with no running problems at all.  I don't know if any of the drivers are blind but I can easily find out.  And I can measure the lateral "play" also.  I also run an Westside 4-4-6-4 thru the same 30" curves (I removed the cab-to-tender short failure mode) without any running problems although I do worry about excessive wear on the gear train.  But the 4-4-6-4 is a uni-frame whereas the big boys and the 4-8-8-2s  are articulated (aren't they?).  

  

Remotoring WSM articulateds.

SP4149
 

All,

  I've been thinking about creating a web page on upgrading a WSM ESPEE AC-4 4-8-8-2.  As delivered these models had the following 'faults'

  • Required large radius curves, greater than 36"
  • Had a large open frame motor with higher current draw
  • Had the longer AC-6 cab which was noticeable when parked next to newer AC-4s like the BLI AC-4s
  • Had a somewhat noisy drive train with flimsy bearing support and half a universal
  • When lifted off the track the articulated engine would disconnect from the drive train to the rigid engine.

The web page would show how I overcame all five issues.

If there is interest I will also show how this is the easiest WSM/KTM 4-8-8-2 to convert to double motors.

Would this be of interest to any on the list?

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
Edited

Some other camelbacks I photographed yesterday on my sons layout.




Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
Edited

John in the days of steam water towers were a necessity. The one you took note of was used as a advertisement for the little people of layout land.

AHM 0-6-0T Wheelbase measurements

palmettoltd82
 

Seeking the total wheelbase and driver spacing measurements in scale feet and inches for the 1970s-era AHM 0-6-0T.  Hoping someone has a model and a scale ruler handy.  Thank you in advance for any feedback.  Buddy Hill

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

John Hagen
 

Another neat photo essay on the LV camelbacks.

I also am curious about that water tank with the Old Milwaukee advertising on it. I didn’t k now Old Milwaukee was around in the days of steam engines.

John Hagen

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> On Behalf Of toptrain2100 via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] My Camelback HO Locomotives.

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Now the Mantua larger Mikado camelback is next. It is a Lehigh Valley prototype and the LV is the only road to have them. LV calls them their N1 class. Here are 2 NIs mikados of the Lehigh Valley Railroad. my paint and lettering.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

John Hagen
 

Frank.

I am enjoying your series on Camelback locos immensely. You have a good models eye.

Thank you so much for posting all the photos.

 

Looks like Mantua did a decent job of duplicating the LV prototype, not always Mantua’s strong point.

I love Mantua steamers as inexpensive, great runners, reliable as a 2X4 and looked, well, locomotive like.

They were what they were and could be put on the rails and run. For the more discriminating modeler they were easy and enjoyable to add detail to match a more specific prototype.

How far you went with it was totally up to you. They were a part of “Model railroading is fun.”

John Hagen

 

From: HO-Steam@groups.io <HO-Steam@groups.io> On Behalf Of toptrain2100 via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [HO-Steam] My Camelback HO Locomotives.

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Last of the Camelbacks I have that are complete and running is a pair of the Mantua Pacific Camelback's. The Mantua pacific camelback is a Lehigh Valley Prototype and LV is the only company to run them. They were the Lehigh Valley K1 class.
frank





 

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Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives

SP4149
 

Val,

No image was attached (the photo link path does not contain an image file).

Were you composing on your browser on on the groups.io web site? 


You need to follow your browser guidance for inserting photos in e-mails.

The groups.io web page most likely uses different methods, at least for Google and Firefox.

In most cases the image file will have to be resident on your PC, not a remote device like a camera,

When succssfully attached to a message, the photo may be embedded in the message, shown as a thumbnail at the

end of the message, or listed as an attachment.  If none of these occur the images were not attached.


Let me know how it goes, on some other lists, inserted images have to be downloaded from a public interent website,

groups.io has been simpler in that regard.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com



On 2019-06-03 14:33, Val via Groups.Io wrote:

I had attached two photos but they didn't seem to make it. What did I do wrong?
Val


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ken clark
HO and Sn42

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives

Val
 

I had attached two photos but they didn't seem to make it. What did I do wrong?
Val

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 

That is it. All the camelbacks that I have in running condition. Not running awaiting work is a brass Reading 4-4-2, A Mantua 2-8-2 camelback needing work, Some new one 0-4-0c locos I want to repower as 0-6-0's, A couple of model power Brazilian HO steamers to convert to camelbacks. Can't do any any now till my layout is up, detailed and running.
   Thanks for looking.
            frank

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
Edited

Last of the Camelbacks I have that are complete and running is a pair of the Mantua Pacific Camelback's. The Mantua pacific camelback is a Lehigh Valley Prototype and LV is the only company to run them. They were the Lehigh Valley K1 class.
frank





 

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Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
Edited

Now the Mantua larger Mikado camelback is next. It is a Lehigh Valley prototype and the LV is the only road to have them. LV calls them their N1 class. Here are 2 NIs mikados of the Lehigh Valley Railroad. my paint and lettering.

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives

Val
 


NJ Brass Reading I8.


Gem Reading B8a. Yes, I know it has the wrong number. This was before I bought the books and Eddy-Cated myself!!

Re: My Camelback HO Locomotives.

toptrain2100
 
Edited

The Central Railroad of New Jersey was always a big user of locomotives with wooten style fireboxes. Camelbacks were all over this road. The I4 class and I5 class were the most common in use during the steam era. These locomotives were not even available in brass. With 0-6-0 and 4-6-0 camelbacks the norm in brass. With only 2 brown books 1980 and 1994 I don't know everything missing 26 years of information. The way i got around the lack of I4 and I5 class available was to scratch build my own. Here are some photos.First the I4 class.



Now the i5 class.