Hi folks,

I don't remember this option going away but I just noticed it today when I got a text-based email (and footers) on beta ( https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/direct_add_should_accept_csv/90711892 ) and wanted to privately contact the poster, when I went to the text footers that link wasn't there. I'm sure Mark hasn't set the "Remove Other Reply options" setting as the "Reply To Sender" option is there on the HTML footers, so is this possibly a function of some per-user setting, by design (hey, if you use text you just have to do with less options-this included- and have do it though online instead), or a "code omission"? (bug)

I do get that design-wise not all the HTML-footers links can appear on the text ones, but I thought the "Reply To Sender" would be one of the important ones which would appear on both, and I also don't remember a discussion about removing it. (although that remembering part doesn't mean much :)

Cheers,
Christos

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 03:07 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:

I don't remember this option going away

To the best of my recollection, it's never been there for plain text messages.  It's not shown on the wiki page.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Well it does turn out that if a group checks TextOnly in MessagePolicies, there is no ReplyToSender footer link included now, so in essence, a text-based email group is missing out on some functionality not really directly-related to HTML or plain text content.

The other weird thing that I discovered while testing this and possible combos, using info provided in the manual, you are allowed setting this particular combo which seems conflicting at the very least:



Maybe it's wording but only one of those should be allowed to be selected at a time, clicking the unchecked one should check that and clear the other.

Turns out when both are selected the plain text wins.  I'll post it on beta.

Cheers,
Christos

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 05:57 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:

Maybe it's wording but only one of those should be allowed to be selected at a time

I believe both are allowed intentionally.  Folks wanted Plain Text Only groups, but wanted Reply To Sender in the footer.  (Normalize html was added later to accomplish about the same thing.)  When both are checked, it's supposed to convert incoming to plain text, but send as html, so the html type footer gets used.  If that's not what it does, then there's a problem.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Hmm, I retested just to make sure I didn't miss something and no, it doesn't adjust the body to HTML'ed plain text, and the footer sent is identical to the one sent if only the Plain Text option was checked.  As a matter of fact, having both checked or just PlainText checked only results in the same exact text-formatted message body & footers, for example:

*BOLD variable-width Text*

Fixed-width Text

Bye.



.

So apparently it's missing the "two flags" combo then and sends only the plain-text version of both the body and footers.

Cheers,
Christos

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 05:57 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:

Maybe it's wording but only one of those should be allowed to be selected at a time

I believe both are allowed intentionally.  Folks wanted Plain Text Only groups, but wanted Reply To Sender in the footer.  (Normalize html was added later to accomplish about the same thing.)  When both are checked, it's supposed to convert incoming to plain text, but send as html, so the html type footer gets used.  If that's not what it does, then there's a problem.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 10:07 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:

Hi folks,

I don't remember this option going away but I just noticed it today when I got
a text-based email

I'm not sure what you mean. At the bottom of the message I see a "reply to this message" link. Once I clicked it (and maybe composed an answer), I can click "private" on the lower right and then send the message by clicking on the lower left button. [but then I am on digest]

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo

>>> ... for example:

LOL, forgot that if I include the footers with the begin & end delimiters inside the message they get removed, duhh ... but in the example below they were

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.
View/Reply Online (#289): https://Pr....groups.io/g/Pr.../message/289
Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/907....492
Group Owner: Pr...+owner@Pr...groups.io
Unsubscribe: https://Pr...groups.io/g/Practice-Legacy/leave/4746931/2277492/1109387589/xyzzy [ch...@..]
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Cheers,
Christos

Hmm, I retested just to make sure I didn't miss something and no, it doesn't adjust the body to HTML'ed plain text, and the footer sent is identical to the one sent if only the Plain Text option was checked.  As a matter of fact, having both checked or just PlainText checked only results in the same exact text-formatted message body & footers, for example:

*BOLD variable-width Text*

Fixed-width Text

Bye.



.

So apparently it's missing the "two flags" combo then and sends only the plain-text version of both the body and footers.

Cheers,
Christos

On 2022-04-26 21:42, Duane via groups.io wrote:

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 05:57 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:

Maybe it's wording but only one of those should be allowed to be selected at a time

I believe both are allowed intentionally.  Folks wanted Plain Text Only groups, but wanted Reply To Sender in the footer.  (Normalize html was added later to accomplish about the same thing.)  When both are checked, it's supposed to convert incoming to plain text, but send as html, so the html type footer gets used.  If that's not what it does, then there's a problem.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Oh, sorry, I should have made it clear I'm referring to users who get individual emails, and who also want to reply to the sender using their email client (as the HTML footer link does), not by going online and doing it that way like what you're doing.

Cheers,
Christos

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:27 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:

Oh, sorry, I should have made it clear I'm referring to users who get
individual emails, and who also want to reply to the sender using their
email client (as the HTML footer link does), not by going online

In that case I don't see what the problem is. If you want to reply to an individual email, you click "reply" in your e-mail-interface-thingy. What would you need a link for?

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo

>>> In that case I don't see what the problem is. If you want to reply to an individual email, you click "reply" in your e-mail-interface-thingy. What would you need a link for?

It probably is because you're on digest and the footers are probably different there, but in the individual messages setting, if the group ReplyTo setting is set to the group (as the default is), if you click on the email client's Reply button you'll reply to the group, so in order to be able to easily reply to the sender from an email client, you can go to the message footers and click an included "Reply To Sender" link.  But that link though is only there on the HTML version of the footers, not the plain text only, and that's what started all of this.

Look at the attached to see the difference in HTML vs PlainText footers an individual messages user gets in their email client, which depends on group message formatting settings.
 
Cheers,
Christos