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New option to move a Yahoo group to: forums.group


Donald Hellen
 

I received an email this morning about a forums based platform called
forums.group:

https://forums.group/index.php

I plan to stay with groups.io but this is another option and has more
plans than GIO does. I thought I'd mention it in case some people are
waiting until almost the very end, which is in a few days.

I haven't checked out their service but I think their marketing plan
started way too late since most have already moved their Yahoo groups
to a different platform already.

I did note that the free plans don't allow posts by email, so that
will kill the idea for most people. I don't know if this is a
recurring fee, but their premium level allows email hosting and other
useful features and they price it at $90. I haven't dug any deeper
than one level into their website to find out if it's $90 annually or
a one time fee.

They have other services that you use up-front, and one of them claims
to bring the message archive back:


Plan 3: Archive Forum With Messages, Files, Photos
If you have an inactive Yahoo Group and simply want to make the
existing archives available online without restarting discussions,
this is ideal. The messages, files and photos are made available with
full search functions available as well as the similar topics function
that cross-references each post. This level is typical ordered for
INACTIVE groups that just want to make their archives available online
for reference purposes. The forum contains all the messages and
members that have posted in the past, but silent members have been
omitted. We will not be sending login details to the members, yet they
can use the lost password feature to reset their password. As this
type of forum is designed for archiving, we will leave it online for
at least 10 years even without further activity.

I would bet that this would only be for those groups that allowed a
web group to archive all posts (some group was doing that just before
Yahoo closed message storage).

I'll let someone else with more time to look into this further. I've
been working some 50-60 hour work weeks so time is harder to find
right now than it was months ago. (We're doing more with less, as they
say.)


Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main


BMaverick
 

This is interesting.  They do not limit free speech, so comments about medical or vaccines pro/cons would be allowed.  Likewise whatever Yahoo allowed, they will too.  I know GIO has some free speech restrictions as certain topics are not allowed.
 
They are a true phpBB Forum system.  Many of these types of forums do have email interaction now without the need to go to a website. 

ADDITIONALLY, this site is connected with the Archive.org group that snagged a majority of active groups last year before the content delete happened.  So, in signing up with them and a 1-time fee of $209, you can have everything restored to their system of Files, photos, links, database, etc. Messages from MBOX or PST format will be extracted and all topics and messages and structures will be filled in their 'forum' system.   Their search function is very robust.

They have the ability to link user emails to the messages posted from the old archive. 

Sounds much like the old AngleFire Groups of the 1980 and 90s era.
Free Hosting:
We can host your forum for free with advertising and minimal features. This is the simplest system and ideal for small groups that just want to chat with no thrills attached. You get the standard features of a phpBB forum plus the free features listed below. You have moderator control of the forum . It is not possible to have advertising removed from our free forums. Please note that there is a one-time setup fee of $69.

Premium Hosting for $90/year:
Our premium forums are fully featured with no advertising. This is the recommended option for groups with 1000 members of more, especially if you want extra features liked embedded vidoes, etc.
As a premium customer, we can make the imported messages available to the moderator in an email account, during the migration process, so that the moderator can have a chance to look through the archives and remove any unwanted spam messages, etc. and also add any posts that were made during 2020 when the Yahoo servers were no longer storing them. This allows the group's message archives to be complete without a gap in 2020.
Premium membership is available for a yearly charge of $90 and provides a lot of extra features, better editor and posting via email or online. You can add the Premium upgrade when you sign up.
 
Now the best part, GroupsIO can benefit from their link to the Archive.org site for the Yahoo Groups content now available.  The weird thing is, how does one look for an old group to restore here?  The data is not lost, yet how does one search to find the right content???

https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_yahoogroups?&sort=titleSorter

Our group already made the big move to here to GIO.  I don't believe making another hop is worth it without loosing more members. 


 

BMaverick,

They do not limit free speech, so comments about medical or vaccines
pro/cons would be allowed.
They do limit speech, as required by the laws of Germany, where they are located. Additionally, their FAQ discusses the site's own standards for Privacy and Free Speech:
https://forums.group/info_faqs.php

I know GIO has some free speech restrictions as certain topics are not
allowed.
Correct, some politically controversial topics as well as "adult" content are not allowed in Groups.io:
https://groups.io/helpcenter/faq/1/group-owner-moderator-faq/q-what-types-of-groups-are-not

ADDITIONALLY, this site is connected with the Archive.org group that
snagged a majority of active groups last year before the content
delete happened.
Is there actually an affiliation, or is it simply that fourms.group imports from Archive.org?

In either case, Archive.org won't have the content of _every_ Yahoo Group. Only those with public archives and those private groups which gave access to someone working with Archive.org.

Shal


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Samuel Murray
 

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:17 PM, BMaverick wrote:
ADDITIONALLY, this site is connected with the Archive.org group that snagged a majority of active groups last year before the content delete happened.

Can you tell us where you got that information from?  The only mention of Archive.org that I can find on their site is on the FAQ page:
https://forums.group/info_for-group-owners.php 

Can I find my Group's Archives at Archive.Org?

Archive.org has been archiving the messages of as many groups as possible. They also joined a lot of YahooGroups in order to obtain the MBox files from Yahoo before they stopped that service. Their work can be downloaded from https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_yahoogroups, although the formats used are not easy to use. We are investigating if we can use these archives to restore YahooGroups.

By the way, the format that I saw used on Archive.org's Yahoogroups archives is the format in which mails were downloaded if you downloaded them using the scripts that were used a year or two ago (such as the one by IgnoredAmbience).  So no, they're not MBOX files, but I'm sure they can be converted to MBOX using just a little bit of skill.

Samuel


Donald Hellen
 

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:08:54 -0800, "BMaverick" <bmaverick@juno.com>
wrote:

ADDITIONALLY, this site is connected with the Archive.org group that snagged a majority of active groups last year before the content delete happened. So, in signing up with them and a 1-time fee of $209, you can have everything restored to their system of Files, photos, links, database, etc.

There's no mention of restoring all the messages from any group that
was posted AFTER the Dec 14 Yahoo cutoff date for storing messages, so
the last year's worth of messages would only be available if the
archive group continued gathering the posts from all the groups.

If they continued gathering the posts, then this would be a big bonus,
and then you might be able to pay for that feature, gather all the
messages, then move them to GIO somehow. Or just leave them there then
downgrade to the basic free group.

This would open some new options for people.

Donald



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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main


Bruce Bowman
 

At its peak, Y!G had more than 10 million groups. Archive.org shows 8272 group retrievals, many of them several years out of date. I wouldn't hang my hat on archive.org.

Like groups.io, most of the discussion I'm seeing on the forums.group site revolve around restoration of a user-provided getmydata download from the [now-defunct] Y!G privacy dashboard.

Regards,
Bruce

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Laurence Marks
 

The archive.org capture seems to have been quite limited. You had to receive a request from them (or otherwise know grant them privileges) and invite them in order for them to do a capture. And the movement arose with a short timeline. I don't think many folks were aware of it.

Larry


Samuel Murray
 

On 13/12/2020 15:44, Bruce Bowman wrote:

At its peak, Y!G had more than 10 million groups. Archive.org shows 8272 group retrievals, many of them several years out of date.
It shows 8000+ "results", but many results contain the data from multiple groups.

I'm not sure if there are only 8000 groups or if there are 8000 groups of groups. If I search for a keyword, it says e.g. "2 results", but those 2 results contain the data for 150 groups each.

I'm not sure if all results contain the data for 150 groups or if some results contain the data for fewer groups if they are very large groups. But if the former, then the potential number of groups is 1.2 million.

None of the groups' data that I have seen so far were from takeout requests but rather from download scripts like IgnoredAmbience's. This means that they do not contain full e-mail addresses and they often have character encoding problems.

Samuel


BMaverick
 

Samuel,

I went into the 'Join' to see what more is there.  This gave further info on the options and abilities the site has to offer to pull the data in.

While following their link over to Archive.org, there is a [ ] Show Description box to check.  There, one can find their Yahoo Groups archived data and to use the metadata to search what dataset has the archived messages and info.

My group used PGO-4 and successfully made it to GIO.  We have the PST, SQL and MBOX formats available on our groups FILES section.  Members have access to look up the messages in the archives.

BMaverick


Mike Baker
 

The Internet Archive (a.k.a. archive.org) is primarily involved with archiving public internet content.  The site is the home of the Wayback Machine.  Their about page states:
"The Internet Archive, a 501(c)(3) non-profit, is building a digital library of Internet sites and other cultural artifacts in digital form. Like a paper library, we provide free access to researchers, historians, scholars, the print disabled, and the general public. Our mission is to provide Universal Access to All Knowledge.
"We began in 1996 by archiving the Internet itself, a medium that was just beginning to grow in use. Like newspapers, the content published on the web was ephemeral - but unlike newspapers, no one was saving it. Today we have 20+ years of web history accessible through the Wayback Machine and we work with 625+ library and other partners through our Archive-It program to identify important web pages.

Given their focus is on archiving public content, it makes sense that the public information about larger YG's is the content that is most likely to be present in their archives.  (Note: the Wayback Machine has good archives of popular sites, and fragments of less popular sites.)

Regards,
Mike


Donald Hellen
 

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 14:00:05 -0800, "BMaverick" <bmaverick@juno.com>
wrote:

My group used PGO-4 and successfully made it to GIO. We have the PST, SQL and MBOX formats available on our groups FILES section. Members have access to look up the messages in the archives.
We were fortunate to be able to use the PGO-2-GIO program to upload
everything in several groups to a subgroup of the corresponding main
group.

Any member of the main group is welcome to join the subgroup, and they
can view, but not reply to, the entire Yahoo message archive up to the
Dec 14, 2019 cutoff. Everyone was given fair notice to move to the new
group(s) so they wouldn't miss a message. Most made the move. A few
stayed behind until very recently when Yahoo made their announcement
about sunsetting Yahoo Groups entirely.

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP https://rf-amplifiers.groups.io/g/main


BMaverick
 

Donald,

You are so right.  In the past month our membership up-ticked with another 12% joining. Looking at the joined emails, most were from legit Yahoo accounts. a few even posted with questions.

PGO was the way to go for our tractor group(s).  We migrated 4 into 1.  And as a favor backed up nearly all the other Ag and Industrial tractor forums too as a help.  Like your Ham Radio with SKYWARN and MARS, some of the Ag tractor forums are critical in other countries to keep machines running and food supplied to America groceries stores and abroad.  Small and medium farmers can't fund websites or work computers in those countries.  But, email helps, they can do.
 
BMaverick