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Deleting pictures in bulk.


gw3ucj
 

One of our list members has a signature as a graphic so every time they post, the graphic is saved to our group pictures folder - we have 670 copies so far!
How do I do a bulk delete of pictures? I can do single deletes, but i won't live long enough to do this 670 times (and counting!!).

Martin.

Mollie's Loft Books.

booksellers@groups.io


Duane
 

There's currently no way to bulk delete.  There's an item on the Trello TODO list (https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta) to add this feature.  You might post your message on the beta group to see if it would help bump up the implementation date.

Duane


gw3ucj
 

Thanks Duane.

At least this confirms that I'm not totally inept!

Martin.

**********
 

On 21/12/2017 14:44, Duane wrote:
There's currently no way to bulk delete.  There's an item on the Trello TODO list (https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta) to add this feature.  You might post your message on the beta group to see if it would help bump up the implementation date.

Duane
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Paul Ohio USA
 

Hi Martin,

A suggestion, if you haven't already, tell this member to delete their signature & use a regular signature that is part of their email system, see mine below. Or, you could also put them on moderation and remove the signature when the post and then approve the message, they would have to deal with any delays.

I co-own a couple of groups and can't imagine that a member would not change their signature when the problem is explained.

Paul, Ohio, USA
Gedmatch A228451, Cousin CGW A428058 & Cousin CSWC A866649

On Thursday, December 21, 2017, 9:32:05 AM EST, gw3ucj <Gw3ucj@...> wrote:

One of our list members has a signature as a graphic so every time they post, the graphic is saved to our group pictures folder - we have 670 copies so far!
How do I do a bulk delete of pictures? I can do single deletes, but i won't live long enough to do this 670 times (and counting!!).

Martin.

Mollie's Loft Books.

booksellers@groups.io


gw3ucj
 

Hello Paul  - thanks for this.

Yes, this is what I've suggested to them.

Either a new sig just for the group, or delete their sig themselves before posting.

We'll get around it one way or another.

It's a bit of a nuisance though that ANY graphic in a posting is automatically saved in the photos folder  since most posted graphics have no long-term value in our group, much like yesterday's newspaper!

Martin.

Mollie's Loft Books

Owner, Booksellers@groups.io

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A suggestion, if you haven't already, tell this member to delete their signature & use a regular signature that is part of their email system, see mine below. Or, you could also put them on moderation and remove the signature when the post and then approve the message, they would have to deal with any delays.

I co-own a couple of groups and can't imagine that a member would not change their signature when the problem is explained.

Paul, Ohio, USA
Gedmatch A228451, Cousin CGW A428058 & Cousin CSWC A866649




Arno Martens
 

Thu, 21 Dec 2017 05:46:01 -0800, "gw3ucj" <Gw3ucj@btinternet.com>,
wrote:
One of our list members has a signature as a graphic so every time they post, the graphic is saved to our group pictures folder - we have 670 copies so far!
How do I do a bulk delete of pictures? I can do single deletes, but i won't live long enough to do this 670 times (and counting!!).
Martin.
Mollie's Loft Books.
booksellers@groups.io

There should be an easy solution by setting the whole group to TEXT
only.

The eMail client I use since the dial up, charge by the minute days can
post in text.

I am always amused to see my 30 line reply to a 500 line post without
having deleted a single word.

Arno


gw3ucj
 

Yes, that would be a solution Arno but we are a small very easy-going bookselling group who share a lot of information including pictures of book covers, title page and copyright info pages etc so a text-only restriction wouldn't really be practical.
The real problem is that much of this picture info is of little long-term value so we don't need to store it in the photos folder anyway.

- and of course we have the original signature which started this enquiry - but we have probably got this sorted now.

Martin.

**********

There should be an easy solution by setting the whole group to TEXT
only.

The eMail client I use since the dial up, charge by the minute days can
post in text.

I am always amused to see my 30 line reply to a 500 line post without
having deleted a single word.

Arno


Paul Ohio USA
 

I agree about saving these yet, I'd consider this to be rude on the part of the member if they are aware of the extra work caused to the owners. Nothing in software is perfect for everyone, so we have to work within the guidelines of what we are given. I've not had a group here for long but am surprised at the number of request for change. It can get real difficult to keep everything working if there are too many changes.

Good luck,
Paul, Ohio, USA
Gedmatch A228451, Cousin CGW A428058 & Cousin CSWC A866649

On Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:39:13 AM EST, gw3ucj <Gw3ucj@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hello Paul  - thanks for this.

Yes, this is what I've suggested to them.

Either a new sig just for the group, or delete their sig themselves before posting.

We'll get around it one way or another.

It's a bit of a nuisance though that ANY graphic in a posting is automatically saved in the photos folder  since most posted graphics have no long-term value in our group, much like yesterday's newspaper!

Martin.

Mollie's Loft Books

Owner, Booksellers@groups.io


Sharon Villines
 

On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Paul, Ohio, USA via Groups.Io <pwberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I've not had a group here for long but am surprised at the number of request for change. It can get real difficult to keep everything working if there are too many changes.
I’m surprised too. Changes are requested for incredibly unique situations. I would prefer that the basic things work well and bugs are fixed, but that Mark focuses on expanding his business before dealing with changes that affect .01% of members.

Or if people need that level of programming that they should become paying members. I think Mark’s intent is to customize to the unique needs of businesses and organizations who pay for them. That is what will support the free service. Groups.io already has more features and capabilities than any of the other groups services—I suspect even paid services.

What I like about Groups.io is that it has a business plan that is not based on using members as data or as a market for ads.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines
TakomaDC@Groups.io


 

Martin,

One of our list members has a signature as a graphic so every time
they post, the graphic is saved to our group pictures folder - we have
670 copies so far!
Oops.

So I see two problems here.

How do I do a bulk delete of pictures? I can do single deletes, but i
won't live long enough to do this 670 times (and counting!!).
That's one of them. We don't have that feature yet.

The other is how to automatically detect such signature images and not store them individually, both to avoid this problem in the Emailed Photos album, and to avoid the related problem of needlessly using up your group's storage quota.

There probably are relatively quick ways to determine if that such an image has already been stored, especially since we don't need (nor want) a "looks like" type of match, an exact match of the image file (and maybe the surrounding text of the signature) will do.

A manual solution would be to have checkbox or button in the Emailed Photos album where you can designate an image as being repeated (as in a signature). The system would go merge all copies into a single stored copy and check future message posts for more of the same.

One question about doing this would be what to do about the "Message" button that takes you back to the message the image came from. It would likely be ok if that was a link back to the first use. At the other extreme it could bring up a list of all the messages (operating like a kind of search result), but that might be over the top - imagining your case with 670 messages containing the image.

Anyone spot the obvious flaw with this idea, before I post it in beta?

Shal


Marv Waschke
 

My suggestion is an option in the user profile like "Do not save graphics in my posts to the group pictures folder." For my group, I would like this to be the default, but other groups may be different. I would prefer to have members explicitly upload to the group pictures folder rather than assume that any graphic included in a post should go to the pictures folder.
Generally, I find it better to let individuals designate what they want done rather than automate decisions and make exceptions and mitigations downstream. Most often, I find that approach reduces system processing and avoids tortured logic.
I don't think your idea is flawed, but it might introduce unneeded complication and processing.
Best, Marv

-----Original Message-----
From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:25 PM
To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GMF] Deleting pictures in bulk.

Martin,

> One of our list members has a signature as a graphic so every time > they post, the graphic is saved to our group pictures folder - we have > 670 copies so far!

Oops.

So I see two problems here.

> How do I do a bulk delete of pictures? I can do single deletes, but i > won't live long enough to do this 670 times (and counting!!).

That's one of them. We don't have that feature yet.

The other is how to automatically detect such signature images and not store them individually, both to avoid this problem in the Emailed Photos album, and to avoid the related problem of needlessly using up your group's storage quota.

There probably are relatively quick ways to determine if that such an image has already been stored, especially since we don't need (nor want) a "looks like" type of match, an exact match of the image file (and maybe the surrounding text of the signature) will do.

A manual solution would be to have checkbox or button in the Emailed Photos album where you can designate an image as being repeated (as in a signature). The system would go merge all copies into a single stored copy and check future message posts for more of the same.

One question about doing this would be what to do about the "Message"
button that takes you back to the message the image came from. It would likely be ok if that was a link back to the first use. At the other extreme it could bring up a list of all the messages (operating like a kind of search result), but that might be over the top - imagining your case with 670 messages containing the image.

Anyone spot the obvious flaw with this idea, before I post it in beta?

Shal


 

Marv,

My suggestion is an option in the user profile like "Do not save
graphics in my posts to the group pictures folder."
I saw that in beta@ and may comment on it.

However I'm not sure it addresses Martin's issue, which was primarily with an multitude of copies on an image from a member's message signature.

If I'm understanding correctly his group might value the pictures of book covers, title pages, and other images carried in the body of the messages. So a blanket option to effectively turn off the Emailed Photos album might be too severe a solution.

Notably there's no real cost implied by having the photos from email messages be gathered into the Emailed Photos album - the storage for the photo was necessarily consumed to have the photo remain as part of the message body or attachment in the Messages archive. Putting a reference to them in the Emailed Photos album is simply an convenient way to find and organize them. Except when that album becomes cluttered by an overabundance of copies of the same signature image.

I don't think your idea is flawed, but it might introduce unneeded
complication and processing.
I'll grant there's some complication in what I proposed, especially in the fully automatic version. Whether that complication is unneeded or not only those who might use it can tell us. I think it would have value in any group that encounters that kind of duplicated image posts, allowing them to be handled gracefully rather than becoming a source of friction between the group member(s) and group admins.

Shal


Marv Waschke
 

You are right. I was thinking that for our group, simply opting out of automated posting to the photos folder would eliminate the duplication problem before it started. I expect most things that will show up in our photos folder will be inadvertent. I notice that a graphic from a signature has already appeared in our photos folder during minimal testing. From that, I anticipate that tidying up the photos folder will be a daily task. Since our Y! group photos folder is mostly unused, it occurred to me that an opt out flag would be an easy improvement for us, but we can certainly live without it.
Best, Marv

-----Original Message-----
From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:40 AM
To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GMF] Deleting pictures in bulk.

Marv,

> My suggestion is an option in the user profile like "Do not save > graphics in my posts to the group pictures folder."

I saw that in beta@ and may comment on it.

However I'm not sure it addresses Martin's issue, which was primarily with an multitude of copies on an image from a member's message signature.

If I'm understanding correctly his group might value the pictures of book covers, title pages, and other images carried in the body of the messages. So a blanket option to effectively turn off the Emailed Photos album might be too severe a solution.

Notably there's no real cost implied by having the photos from email messages be gathered into the Emailed Photos album - the storage for the photo was necessarily consumed to have the photo remain as part of the message body or attachment in the Messages archive. Putting a reference to them in the Emailed Photos album is simply an convenient way to find and organize them. Except when that album becomes cluttered by an overabundance of copies of the same signature image.

> I don't think your idea is flawed, but it might introduce unneeded > complication and processing.

I'll grant there's some complication in what I proposed, especially in the fully automatic version. Whether that complication is unneeded or not only those who might use it can tell us. I think it would have value in any group that encounters that kind of duplicated image posts, allowing them to be handled gracefully rather than becoming a source of friction between the group member(s) and group admins.

Shal


Shadow Grafix
 

After reading the initial post about this problem, I went and checked our photos and there were over 36,000 of them. I spent six hours yesterday deleting garbage. The family photos I'm trying to leave, but I may end up having to turn off the photos all together. I tried it with just the managers posting photos and that lasted about two seconds before a new graphic showed up.

Merry Christmas all,
Judy

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From: Marv Waschke <marv@marvinwaschke.com>
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To: <GroupManagersForum@groups.io>
Sent: 12/23/2017 1:43:16 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Deleting pictures in bulk.
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You are right. I was thinking that for our group, simply opting out of automated posting to the photos folder would eliminate the duplication problem before it started. I expect most things that will show up in our photos folder will be inadvertent. I notice that a graphic from a signature has already appeared in our photos folder during minimal testing. From that, I anticipate that tidying up the photos folder will be a daily task. Since our Y! group photos folder is mostly unused, it occurred to me that an opt out flag would be an easy improvement for us, but we can certainly live without it.
Best, Marv


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Judy,

After reading the initial post about this problem, I went and checked
our photos and there were over 36,000 of them.
Sounds like your group could really use a means to identify signature images and consolidate or delete them. Something like an image search, where you can do a bulk operation on the result. That's what I had in mind for Martin's similar finding.

Would you have any interest in finding and perhaps hiding or removing signature text in the messages archive along with the signature images? Mark already has a pattern matching list that operates across all groups to strip recognized advertisements from messages; that idea might be extended to member signatures. Kind of the opposite of the feature added not too long ago that allows a member to add a signature to his postings.

I spent six hours yesterday deleting garbage.
What consideration(s) motivated that effort?

An obvious possibility is that they make the Emailed Photos album nearly useless - too hard to find the wheat amid all that chaff.

Another I can imagine, with numbers that high, would be a concern with the amount of your storage needlessly consumed. It is fortunate that such images tend to be relatively small files, or the total of them might be non-negligible.

The family photos I'm trying to leave, but I may end up having to turn
off the photos all together.
In what way?

That is, do you plan to check the "Plain Text Only" box in the message formatting? The other method I can see would be to prohibit attachments. Or am I missing something?

Shal


gw3ucj
 

Personally, I think this would be the solution to most of our problems with multiple images Shal - identify an unwanted image, do a kind of "select all" on it, delete.

Problem solved!

Martin.

***************

Mark already has a pattern matching list to strip recognized advertisements from messages; that idea might be extended to member signatures. Kind of the opposite of the feature added not too long ago that allows a member to add a signature to his postings.


Shal


Shadow Grafix
 

My thought was to turn it off, but then I decided against that because some of our members do post family pictures and I'd hate for them to lose those photos.
Judy

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From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <GroupManagersForum@groups.io>
To: <GroupManagersForum@groups.io>
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Deleting pictures in bulk.
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Judy,

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The family photos I'm trying to leave, but I may end up having to turn
off the photos all together.
In what way?

That is, do you plan to check the "Plain Text Only" box in the message
formatting? The other method I can see would be to prohibit attachments.
Or am I missing something?

Shal


 

Judy, Martin, Marv, ...

My thought was to turn it off, but then I decided against that because
some of our members do post family pictures and I'd hate for them to
lose those photos.
I've posted my suggestion for handling these signature images to beta@
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/15545

See if any of those ideas make sense to you as a way to handle this problem. Note that although I talk about images that are part of a member's signature, I don't think the proposed mechanism(s) would or could actually make that distinction: any photo posted in a message would be a target.

Shal


gw3ucj
 

Shal - excellent summary of the situation.

My personal preference would be for 1b) Action: Consolidate.

Fully automatic deletion runs the risk of all fully automatic things, in that we can't be certain that it's going according to plan; it's little work to do a manual 1b) type delete periodically.

Failing that. I'd go for 1a) delete.

Fully automatic would be my least favourite choice of the three options.

Thanks for all your work on our behalf.

....and Merry Christmas from Wales!

Martin.

*************

Judy, Martin, Marv, ...


I've posted my suggestion for handling these signature images to beta@
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/15545

Shal