Using website, vewing UNread messages within an ALREADY read topic?


Donald Hellen
 

Jay . . .

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:10:39 -0700, jay@kaplon.org wrote:

I’m in a Groups.io vs. Slack discussion and email overwhelm (when getting emails for each message)
This might be overwhelming if you did this for many groups, but what I
do is create message filters (rules) and a separate folder (like
another inbox) to sort the messages form a group or related groups.
For example, I have several ham radio groups filtered into a folder
called ham radio. I have a couple of automobile repair groups go into
a folder called automobile.

In my email reader, and most I've seen, like Thunderbird (free),
Postbox (based on Thunderbird but not free), and MS Outlook, new
messages in those special folders show a number next to them if there
are new messages, indicating how many new messages are there and
unread.

Whether you want to do this is up to you, but there is information on
the web on how to do this, and I think we could possibly help a little
here if you need some help doing this.

That way, you get your separate messages and not in what I feel is an
inconvenient digest format, and also keep them out of your inbox.
You're free to ignore your group messages and focus on your inbox, and
if you set filters up for multiple categories, you can, say, filter
advertisements form companies you deal with into a folder called
advertisements if you wish. I do this in Postbox for my Gmail. For
email from my ISP email address, I use Forte Agent for my email reader
but do much the same thing for the ham radio, automotive, and some
other groups. In this email program I have many folders, 13 of which
are for various Yahoo and groups.io group messages. It keeps the
messages out of my inbox. If I need to catch up on email and don't
care about reading messages in a couple large groups, I can right
click on the folders and choose mark folder read and skip reading
those. The support groups like this one are candidates for that, and I
sometimes go back at a later time and scroll down to see the various
older topics but I don't feel an obligation to do so. If I See
something interesting, I can go back and read the message(s).

Making separate group folders in your email client or program is a way
of achieving what it seems you're looking to do without having to wait
for a groups.io change to do it. You can have that almost immediately.
Donald


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Jay,


My question/point is can that link be generated slightly differently once you visit it and then a new message gets added to the thread. That way it would at least turn blue again next time you visit the topic list to show a new message is in the topic someplace.

That seems like it could work. Perhaps as simply as adding the message count as a no-op parameter to the thread link. I don't know how many users might find that disconcerting though, as they may be accustomed to seeing the mark as "I've looked at this thread" without being interested in whether there's new messages in it.

The other factor is that I think a page refresh will be required to see the effect of a message being added to the topic by someone else. I don't think Groups.io's pages are dynamic in that way.

Could do that even without a specific groups.io app.

Could do any of this without a groups.io app, I think. I'm not sure why the inbox and the app are tied together in Mark's mind. Perhaps that has to do with infrastructure issues that I know nothing about.

To bring the idea to Groups.io's attention you are invited to post it in the beta group. That's the site's official suggestion box - no one from Groups.io monitors GMF. Maybe wait and see if any other GMF members have a thought on the topic first.

Shal


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jay@...
 

Thanks for the info. At least I don’t have to keep trying to figure it out.

I wasn’t quite clear on my topic coloring blue vs. black point. I understand General web browser behavior. My question/point is can that link be generated slightly differently once you visit it and then a new message gets added to the thread. That way it would at least turn blue again next time you visit the topic list to show a new message is in the topic someplace. Could do that even without a specific groups.io app.

I’m in a Groups.io vs. Slack discussion and email overwhelm (when getting emails for each message) vs. knowing what is new and I need to read (when not getting emails per post) is a key stay with groups.io vs. try Slack point.


 

Jay,


How does a user on the website view (or differentiate) UNread messages within an ALREADY read topic?

That's a feature that doesn't actually exist yet. But it is being worked on:

"As an aside, this is a big reason I want to complete the app and add unread message tracking (ie Groups.io Inbox)." [beta #18930]

Foo topic name is blue since I have never read it.
...
I click Foo and read all 5 messages and return to the topic list where Foo is now black as expected.

That effect is happening within your web browser. Your browser is keeping track of your recent history and "knows" which pages you've visited. The only involvement by Groups.io is that its style sheet told the browser what colors to use for visited versus unvisited links.

You'll probably notice that effect on other sites as well.

Shal


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jay@...
 

Trying to track this down for my users. Most users do all reading on the Groups.io website only with no email.

How does a user on the website view (or differentiate) UNread messages within an ALREADY read topic?

That is, I go to the website and see a topic Foo with a icon next to it with a 5 in it indicating helpfully that there are 5 messages within Foo. Foo topic name is blue since I have never read it.

I click Foo and read all 5 messages and return to the topic list where Foo is now black as expected. Time passes. 3 more messages are emailed or added on the web by others to the Foo topic.

How do I know they are there? If I refresh the page is my Foo link now blue?

If my link is blue and I click it, how do I know which messages have not been read? (And if this is a topic with 500 messages and 30 scattered new ones even more so how do I know unread ones?)

Thanks!