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Growing a group #promotion

Chris Leong <walkraft@...>
 

I am the mod of future_tech. I recruited my initial members from friends and a post in the-tech-zone (which allows post advertising related groups). I also made a few posts in related communities on Google+. I'll probably spend some more time later looking for related communities in which a link to the group would not be seen as spam. Does anyone else have any thoughts on how I can grow the community?

Frances
 

If your group is in the directory of publicly listed groups, check how much of your homepage description shows up in the directory. Make sure you have good keywords. Google retrieves the links to the group.

Frances
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Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 02:56 AM, Frances wrote:
Make sure you have good keywords.
Up until sometime last week I must admit I had paid little attention to the findability of the group of which I am a co - owner, but my interest was sparked by what was a rather tedious and generally unproductive thread on beta. There was one worthwhile idea suggested by one contributor and I will take the opportunity of passing it on here.

It is quite hard - perhaps impossible - to include a comprehensive list of keywords into the "group description" but this can be got around by just typing a list of random but relevant likely keywords that anyone searching for a specific group might use under the main body of the description. To minimise its visual impact on anyone reading the description such a list can be spread along a couple of lines reduced to font size 8; don't type the keywords as a list in a column.

There is also another trick (that the group's real owner spotted) that can reduce the appearance of any such list to "invisible"!

Using the Find or Create a Group search provided by Groups.io paste the following into the search box: Larkspur WW2 WS19 AFV and click Search. It will find one group; click on it to go to the home page. Now find the keywords! They are there but done in such a way that they do not distract the reader.

Given that Groups.io does not seem to provide any guidance about keywords and finding a group, the objective behind all this is to perhaps prepare a section for the GMF wiki. I would have raised the matter earlier but with everything else that is going on I decided to wait, however this query has prompted me to post this now. The same or similar search terms will also work on Google, but I have recently edited the list and I don't think Google has caught up yet!

Chris

Don Grass
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 02:52 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Larkspur WW2 WS19 AFV
I just found the keywords. Now to figure out how it was done.

Don

Frances
 

Don, love to hear how to do it. Please post when you figure it out!

Frances
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Duane
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 06:19 PM, Don Grass wrote:
Now to figure out how it was done.
Just like it is on a lot of web sites, white letters on a white background (or black on black, green on green, etc.)  When you use your mouse to highlight the page, the hidden stuff pops out.

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Frances
 

I am the mod of future_tech. I recruited my initial members from friends and a post in the-tech-zone (which allows post advertising related groups). I also made a few posts in related communities on Google+. I'll probably spend some more time later looking for related communities in which a link to the group would not be seen as spam. Does anyone else have any thoughts on how I can grow the community?
Have you looked at the Promote page in Admin?

Frances


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Frances
 

Well the keywords show in the directory of publicly listed groups, but not on their homepage.

This is the description in the directory:

wireless-set-no19 / Wireless Set No19
enabled.R Other Keywords: WWII WW2 WS19 WS22 WS31 WS62 WS76 R109 Larkspur Clansman Harness C11 C13 C42 R209 R210 Creed Teleprinter T100 VRC321 PRC320 VRC353 PRC351 PRC352 EMER EMERs

Are you saying it is UNDER the photo or ?
More details, please!

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Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:47 AM, Frances wrote:
Are you saying it is UNDER the photo or ?
More details, please!
No; they are in the apparently white space below the block of text. Place your cursor after enabled; then "left click+hold" and drag down to highlight the area between enabled and the link to the Group Document Archive and all will be revealed.

Duane obviously knew the answer anyway; white font text on a white background. :)

The question is does Search Optimisation warrant a section in the GMF wiki?

FWIW I do not know how long the search string can be; I have tried 10 words with 66 characters including spaces and it found them all. It's something I will ask Mark when some measure of calm has been restored. The search is not case - sensitive but doesn't seem to find partial matches; perhaps it actively ignores them.

Chris

Don Grass
 

I figured out how the text was done, and it was like Duane said. Before I figured how the text was done, it didn't occur to me to try and highlight the blank looking areas. I'm using Chrome as my browser, so I tried using the Find function to see if it would reveal any hidden text. I typed in 'keyword' in Find, and low and behold there was the text! I like that idea, so used that little trick on my home page.

Don

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 05:49 AM, Don Grass wrote:
I typed in 'keyword' in Find, and low and behold there was the text! I like that idea, so used that little trick on my home page.
Spread the message!

Chris

 

Re including keywords within the group description:
if the description is long only a portion containing the “searched” keywords will display.
If the search is for a keyword that is unique the search will likely jump right to your group so it likely doesn’t matter. 

But if the searcher enters a more general terms such as “horse”, they may go through a few pages of results. If that general term/keyword is in the first line or two of your group description or in the group name they’ll find your group more easily.  

Also a search seems to bring up a list of groups by name (can’t choose other options) in reverse alphabetical order. 

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 03:49 PM, Patti In AZ wrote:
Also a search seems to bring up a list of groups by name (can’t choose other options) in reverse alphabetical order. 
You're right it does... sort of!

Having checked using a predictably productive search term it produced a reverse alphabetical list, but with lower case "z" as the top of the list; lower case "a" much further down, immediately followed by upper case "Z" with upper case A right at the "far end". Sort of weird, but harmless. It would take a lot to convince me that the order in which results are returned matters all that much.

I have also found that use of the wildcard designator * works, but in practice its use might prove less than helpful as it can force the inclusion of results that are completely irrelevant. I would certainly advocate against its use to find plural nouns; a search on "house" will not find houses (plural) and while a search on house* will find both singular and plural it will also return housewife, household, housefly, housemaid and so on if anyone has included those as keywords.

Chris

Frances
 

I like that I can add keywords (I put # before each word) to my description.

I used white font (use the "hamburger" menu to open the advanced toolbar). The keywords show as black normal text on the search page for publicly accessible groups. But they don't show on my group homepage to mess up the look. Very cool!

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Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 04:57 PM, Frances wrote:
I put # before each word
Does that actually achieve anything? I suspect that the # is ignored; I tried a known good search but with # as the opening character for each term and the search was successful. which to me suggests that the search simply ignores the hashtag because none of the keywords used one.

Chris

Frances
 

I put # before each word
Does that actually achieve anything? I suspect that the # is ignored

True. But it is clear to the reader of the group description in the directory that these are keywords, and not a disjointed sentence! But I will think about this.

Frances



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Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 07:55 PM, Frances wrote:
But it is clear to the reader of the group description in the directory that these are keywords, and not a disjointed sentence!
Ah; I see. However, surely people will not see your #keywords until they have found your group anyway. At the time they type "things" into the search box they won't know that you have hashtags against keywords showing in your group description.

Chris