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Re: Invitation not accepted yet #transfer

Frances
 

Just replied to another GMF member - 

On Beta, there is a thread about it. Mark (Groups.io) says:
Question: Will the December 1 cut off date for transfers be postponed if Yahoo! hasn’t fix their problem by then?
His answer: Well, we're kind of cut off right now as it is. I will keep trying and if things improve, I'll process what we have and make a decision then.
 
 
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Invitation not accepted yet #transfer

Sally Ahnger
 

OK, it's 6.5 hours until Dec 1.  I have requested my transfer from Yahoo groups and got a status that my invitation to transfer@groups.io has been received and will be accepted "soon".  That was yesterday.  If my invitation has not been accepted before Dec 1 will my group still get transferred?




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Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

Frances
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 08:17 PM, <webchhk@...> wrote:
Well, of course, NOW there's a notice on the page I was referencing -- earlier today it was not there. I was referring to this page: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups 
and this page: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups
Well, these are both part of the GMF wiki (I didn't work on the long Transfer document though). I realized I had forgotten to put back in the downtime. And then I took it upon myself to add it to the other. (I figured Shal and Bruce wouldn't mind.)

On Beta, there is a thread about it. Mark (Groups.io) says:
Will the December 1 cut off date for transfers be postponed if Yahoo! hasn’t fix their problem by then?
His answer: Well, we're kind of cut off right now as it is. I will keep trying and if things improve, I'll process what we have and make a decision then.
 

See https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/22949 

And he also discusses Mbox format:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/22966

Sorry not to give better news. 
But do look at this - I am a user ed type, not a programmer, but others may be able to tell you about Lena's workaround.


The problem is what to do with the message archive once downloaded; as there is really no good way to re-upload it to groups.io, to re-link individual messages to their owners, or to provide online message search capability.  It's not the same as a transfer and loses "ownership", but Lena has a way to get the messages into the archive, 
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/22251

Frances

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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

BMaverick
 

Duane,

I've been monitoring the Archive Team's live progress of backing up the ENTIRE Yahoo Groups on
https://tracker.archiveteam.org/yahoogroups/
 
It's rather impressive.  This group has a few thousand computers activated as a massive effort to retrieve and archive all of YG.  No matter how big or small the group may be. 

As for private groups, they do 1 of 2 things, 1- request membership and then archive or 2- ask from their site for owners and mods to send an invite to the group. 

They are almost at 10% archive status by morning.

BMaverick
 



Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

Donald Hellen
 

webchhk . . .


On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:54:01 -0800, "webchhk via Groups.Io"
<webchhk=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

3. Are there any manual work arounds that anyone knows about? We don't want to get caught out there after December 14th with all of our data deleted.
There has been some discussion about a program (actually a Perl
script, I think) that can upload messages that are saved in MBOX
format.

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/yg_privacy_dashboard_download/37953856

It looks complicated but you can try that route. Join the beta group
on GIO to ask questions if you want to try that.

In the link above, there's a download link to the zip file for the
program.

There's also a long list of steps you must go through to make it work
but it will work in Windows, Linux, MAC OS, and I think another OS
also.

Donald


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Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

webchhk@...
 

Thank you Frances, for your reply. 

Yes, I realize this is a peer-to-peer group...I didn't imply Management was here. I'm asking questions to get my bearings as someone going through what we're all going through.

Well, of course, NOW there's a notice on the page I was referencing -- earlier today it was not there. I was referring to this page: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups 
and this page: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

1. Actually, Groups.io has been VERY clear in their communication that if your transfer wasn't initiated by December 1st, the transfer couldn't happen. December 14th is the Yahoo date. So, again, my question is: I've started the process before December 1st, but wasn't able to initiate the transfer due to the Yahoo outage. Obviously, December 1st is tomorrow and this Yahoo outage probably won't be fixed by then -- am I still eligible to do the EasyTransfer after the December 1st date?

See this text: "Due to the pending discontinuation of many parts of Yahoo Groups, we ask that all transfer requests be given the go ahead no later than December 1, 2019. We will not be able to guarantee any transfers submitted after that." and the top of this page: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

2. Thank you for relaying that information and thank you to Mark as well. 

3. Huge thanks for the link to the manual work arounds, clearly it was on the pages I've read before -- but obviously not entirely or I would have seen it. Ugh. There's a LOT to read and process. 

Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

Frances
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 07:56 PM, <webchhk@...> wrote:
My questions are:
 
  1. If Yahoo fixes the outage and transfers start again, because I've started my process before December 1, 2019, does that mean my group and subgroup will still be allowed to transfer?
  2. If Yahoo doesn't fix the outage, (I know no one knows if or when the outage will be fixed), can we request a refund for going Premium? My groups don't have to be Premium groups -- we only shifted to Premium to be eligible for the transfer service.
  3. Are there any manual work arounds that anyone knows about? We don't want to get caught out there after December 14th with all of our data deleted.  (The plan is to give this outage a few days and then start downloading YEARS worth of files and leave the conversations there as an archive, but we're definitely DONE with Yahoo Groups.)
#suggestion
Maybe adding this Yahoo Outage message to the TOP of the instructions page would be a good idea because it's kind of a bummer to go through all the pre-work and Step 1 only to get to Step 2 and not be able to proceed.
First, this is a peer-to-peer help group. No Management here.
Can you tell me which instructions page you mean? The URL please.

1. About the cutoff date - I believe that is only YG's date, not Groups.io 
And of course, you can still start a group here but what is uncertain is whether Groups.io can rescue your archive.

2. Mark has said he would do a refund. 

3. Yes there are manual workarounds. It won't be as pretty - but you can save your posts, etc.
See this FAQ. #10.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups

BTW, I will put the warning about YG on the top of the FAQ. (We had it there and then took it down when things were okay again.)  So I am hopeful that this will be fixed too

Frances!




 
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Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

webchhk@...
 

Greetings all:
 
I'm in the process of transferring two YahooGroups -- one as a main group and the second as a subgroup of the main group.
 
I just upgraded my Groups.io group to Premium and I was going through all the instructions as indicated and saw this page: https://groups.io/yahootransfer with this note at the top:
 
Yahoo Groups currently has an outage that is preventing us from transferring groups. We do not know if or when this outage will be fixed. Until it is, we have disabled new group transfer requests. Please do not upgrade your group to Premium until we know that the outage has been fixed. We will announce here when that happens.

Thank you, Yahoo! Not.

My questions are:
 
  1. If Yahoo fixes the outage and transfers start again, because I've started my process before December 1, 2019, does that mean my group and subgroup will still be allowed to transfer?
  2. If Yahoo doesn't fix the outage, (I know no one knows if or when the outage will be fixed), can we request a refund for going Premium? My groups don't have to be Premium groups -- we only shifted to Premium to be eligible for the transfer service.
  3. Are there any manual work arounds that anyone knows about? We don't want to get caught out there after December 14th with all of our data deleted.  (The plan is to give this outage a few days and then start downloading YEARS worth of files and leave the conversations there as an archive, but we're definitely DONE with Yahoo Groups.)
#suggestion
Maybe adding this Yahoo Outage message to the TOP of the instructions page would be a good idea because it's kind of a bummer to go through all the pre-work and Step 1 only to get to Step 2 and not be able to proceed.
 
Thanks in advance for any guidance that can be provided.  I know EVERYONE is working really hard to make this happen and Yahoo isn't exactly cooperative (to say the least!).

Re: Are messages to members saved?

Frances
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 07:16 PM, Niman H wrote:
When using the "Send message" function to email a member about a pending post, is the message saved somewhere? I have looked but can't find them. (Of course, this is if it was not BCCed to mods) The "+owner messages" tab on the member's profile does not show anything. Are these messages FROM the member to +owner?
Not sure exactly what you mean. 
Have you checked out Admin, Activity?

If you mean you clicked on reply in the web interface and then made it private, there is an option to check off "BCC me".

If you were rejecting a message and explained why, you will see the reason in Activity.

You asked about +owner messages. Go to your own profile in Members (select moderators) and you can see +owner messages from you.

Frances


 
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Are messages to members saved?

Niman H
 

When using the "Send message" function to email a member about a pending post, is the message saved somewhere? I have looked but can't find them. (Of course, this is if it was not BCCed to mods) The "+owner messages" tab on the member's profile does not show anything. Are these messages FROM the member to +owner?

Database image source

Charles Roberts
 

Any way to insert an image into a database if the image is in the PHOTOS section rather than in a file on my computer?

Chuck

Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

Rick Mann
 

Yep - join the queue! Me too.


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On 11/30/19 at 2:07 PM, evilhat@... wrote:

I of course went ahead and upgraded my new group to Premium before noticing the outage message.

Is there anything on here I can subscribe to that will push me a notification of when that outage message clears? I've got a 15k+ member group that receives announcements about developments concerning a NYT best selling author, and I'd like to get the group moved over here before the next big announcement hits. :(

Export database with images

Charles Roberts
 

Can a database with images be exported and the images show up in the exported file?  If so, how?

Chuck

Database image sizes

Charles Roberts
 

Trying to make database of two image columns and one description column.  Images appear different sizes.  Must I pre-size all images to be same size before inserting in database for them to appear similar size in database?

Chuck

Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

Frances
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 03:41 PM, <evilhat@...> wrote:
You're right that I can monitor it at that web address (which I already knew; that's how I knew to speak of the outage message in the first place), but that won't push me an email message when it clears. That's just a webpage I need to remember to reload repeatedly. I'm asking if there's a group or whatever that I can subscribe to that will send an email when groups.io can bring in YG again.
Sorry, I thought you knew about Beta through our pinned post on GMF - Another YG outage - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/25027

Never assume! Yes, join Beta and get all messages. Later, you can tweak your subscription.

Frances
 
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Re: Nested photo ablums

Donald Hellen
 

Thanks.

I wonder what happens during the groups transfer process then. Are the
photo albums lost in the transfer since they can't be made into nested
albums? If so, that might explain someone's recent mention that some
photos were missing.

Donald

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:48:51 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>
wrote:

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 02:41 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:


Can you create a photo album inside a photo album, like some have done
on Yahoo?
No.  It's been requested before, but it's not on the TODO list as far as I can tell.

Duane

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Re: Nested photo ablums

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 02:41 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
Can you create a photo album inside a photo album, like some have done
on Yahoo?
No.  It's been requested before, but it's not on the TODO list as far as I can tell.

Duane
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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 04:41 PM, <evilhat@...> wrote:
You're right that I can monitor it at that web address (which I already knew; that's how I knew to speak of the outage message in the first place), but that won't push me an email message when it clears. That's just a webpage I need to remember to reload repeatedly. I'm asking if there's a group or whatever that I can subscribe to that will send an email when groups.io can bring in YG again.
Yes. Subscribe to this group for individual emails.

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/messages

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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 02:41 PM, <evilhat@...> wrote:
I'm asking if there's a group or whatever that I can subscribe to that will send an email when groups.io can bring in YG again.
You could subscribe to https://beta.groups.io/g/main  That's where Mark makes the announcements about YG up/down.

Duane
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Re: "Suspicious Links" header

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 02:18 PM, <doug@...> wrote:
Some of the  posts in my group have an added header "[Suspicious Links]".
That's added by someone's email program.  GIO doesn't do things like that.

Duane
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