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Re: Export database with images

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 07:00 PM, Charles Roberts wrote:
Can a database with images be exported and the images show up in the exported file?
Charles -- I believe the answer is "no." Exporting as CSV definitely won't work. I have exported such databases as json objects and attempted to import them into Excel, without success. It seems that the export function fails to escape the images into unicode, and the resulting file I'm getting is too small to even possibly contain the images.

If others have done a more rigorous check and met with more success I'd love to hear about it. 

Regards,
Bruce

Re: How do I see the Date and Time that messages were posted on the FALI message board?

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:21 PM, micro182 wrote:
I'm sure it's there.   I just can't seem to find it.
In message view, there should be a date or time at upper right. Hover your mouse cursor on that to get the full date/timestamp.

Bruce

How do I see the Date and Time that messages were posted on the FALI message board?

micro182
 

I'm sure it's there.   I just can't seem to find it.
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Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

Sally Ahnger
 

I can't do any more steps until my invitation is accepted.  I've been waiting since Friday morning for it to be accepted.
I suppose I just need to keep waiting.  But it doesn't seem like it's going to happen before midnight tonight.
Sally


On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 7:09:41 PM PST, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:


Sally,

> If I have paid my premium fee and invited transfer@groups.io to my
> yahoo group, is my transfer initiated?

If that's all you've done, no.

Don't miss Step 2 and steps 4 through 6.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

My guess is that mark will treat Steps 2 and 3 together as initiating
the transfer, if only because Step 4 requires Groups.io to take a manual
step (solve a Captcha) to accept the invitation.

But only Groups.io can give a definitive answer.

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Re: Database image source

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 07:01 PM, Charles Roberts wrote:
Any way to insert an image into a database if the image is in the PHOTOS section rather than in a file on my computer?
No, not even as a link. Photo URLs are not static. You have to download it from photos and re-upload it to the database.

Bruce

Re: Are messages to members saved?

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 08:26 PM, Niman H wrote:
I did not BBC although I should have, which is why I am trying to find the message and know if/where to find them in future.
When you send a message as owner/moderator, it's not saved on the site (yet?), so BCC is the only way to have a copy.  (Unless the person sends it back as part of a reply.)

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Re: Database image sizes

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:10 PM, Charles Roberts wrote:
Must I pre-size all images to be same size before inserting in database for them to appear similar size in database?
Try setting a Display Width for those two columns, and those two columns only. The value is in pixels. Note, however, that this approach might not play nicely with some display resolutions, particularly on mobile. For that reason I normally suggest leaving Display Width at the default of zero, but for this application it might be just what the doctor ordered. 

Good luck,
Bruce

Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

 

Sally,

If I have paid my premium fee and invited transfer@groups.io to my
yahoo group, is my transfer initiated?
If that's all you've done, no.

Don't miss Step 2 and steps 4 through 6.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

My guess is that mark will treat Steps 2 and 3 together as initiating the transfer, if only because Step 4 requires Groups.io to take a manual step (solve a Captcha) to accept the invitation.

But only Groups.io can give a definitive answer.

Shal


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Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

Sally Ahnger
 

What is the definition of "initiated"?  If I have paid my premium fee and invited transfer@groups.io to my yahoo group, is my transfer initiated?

Thanks,
Sally


On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 5:40:17 PM PST, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:


On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 07:17 PM, <webchhk@...> wrote:
Groups.io has been VERY clear in their communication that if your transfer wasn't initiated by December 1st, the transfer couldn't happen.
Mark hasn't decided on a "hard" date for initiation, only no promises after Dec 1.  From what I've seen him do in the last 5 years, I expect he's going to do everything he can to get as many groups transferred as possible.  He has clearly stated that if you upgrade to Premium and he's unable to do the transfer, he'll gladly refund your money and delete your group for you.

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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

 

Terri,

Oh brother. so Shal could have a point, they could be overloading
Yahoo's servers and getting in Mark's way.
That was actually Duane's comment, not mine.

I'm not certain that Yahoo does rate limiting by group, in the past it has always been access from a given IP address that gets limited, regardless of how many groups that address was accessing. Rate limiting by group would be problematic, especially back when some groups had hundreds of thousands of active members.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FlyLadyMentors/info

On the other hand, most of what I "know" about Yahoo's internal workings dates from Classic groups - the team that put Neo in place has been much more opaque about the inner workings.

I'm not going to discourage anyone from trying to capture content before it is removed.

Shal


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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

Fred Hicks
 

Aha! Thanks!


On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 5:27 PM Frances <frances@...> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 03:41 PM, <evilhat@...> wrote:
You're right that I can monitor it at that web address (which I already knew; that's how I knew to speak of the outage message in the first place), but that won't push me an email message when it clears. That's just a webpage I need to remember to reload repeatedly. I'm asking if there's a group or whatever that I can subscribe to that will send an email when groups.io can bring in YG again.
Sorry, I thought you knew about Beta through our pinned post on GMF - Another YG outage - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/25027

Never assume! Yes, join Beta and get all messages. Later, you can tweak your subscription.

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Re: Are messages to members saved?

Niman H
 

When using the "Send message" function to email a member about a pending post, is the message saved somewhere? I have looked but can't find them. (Of course, this is if it was not BCCed to mods) The "+owner messages" tab on the member's profile does not show anything. Are these messages FROM the member to +owner?
Not sure exactly what you mean.  Have you checked out Admin, Activity?
If you mean you clicked on reply in the web interface and then made it private, there is an option to check off "BCC me".
If you were rejecting a message and explained why, you will see the reason in Activity.
You asked about +owner messages. Go to your own profile in Members (select moderators) and you can see +owner messages from you. 

Thanks - 
Admin-Activity - I checked all the tabs but none have the message. Just if a message was rejected. But no "send message" from the pending page.
I did not BBC although I should have, which is why I am trying to find the message and know if/where to find them in future. Having them accessible on the web is better than lost in my emails. 
On my own profile, I do not see those kind of messages in any of the tabs either.

Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

T Golding
 

Oh brother.  so Shal could have a point, they could be overloading Yahoo's servers and getting in Mark's way.  I don't know how they archive anything at this point since it's impossible to read messages.  Do we really need their help?  We're all saving our own groups.   If this outage is due to their "help," they're doing more harm.  I hope Yaoho can come back long enough for people to get their groups moved here.

Thanks, Frances.

Terri

Re: Are messages to members saved?

 

Niman,

When using the "Send message" function to email a member about a
pending post, is the message saved somewhere?
No.

Hence the Bcc checkboxes so that you can save it yourself.

The "+owner messages" tab on the member's profile ... Are these
messages FROM the member to +owner?
Correct.

There was discussion long ago in beta about adding messages from +owner to this tab, or having a more general list of messages to/from the +owner address. That was never acted on.

Shal


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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

Frances
 

A volunteer organization.

Their home page says: Archive Team is a loose collective of rogue archivists, programmers, writers and loudmouths dedicated to saving our digital heritage. Since 2009 this variant force of nature has caught wind of shutdowns, shutoffs, mergers, and plain old deletions - and done our best to save the history before it's lost forever. 

Wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive_Team

Looks like you can volunteer your computer!  They also mention manual tasks:
"Yahoogroups-joiner Filling out captchas to archive Yahoo Groups. IRC Channel #yahoosucks (on EFnet)."

See https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Current_Projects

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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

T Golding
 

What's the Archive Team?

Terri

Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

 

Webchhk,

1. If Yahoo fixes the outage and transfers start again, because I've
started my process before December 1, 2019, does that mean my group
and subgroup will still be allowed to transfer?
Most likely.

Mark asked that transfer requests be in by December 1st, so that he can be reasonably sure to be able to complete them before Yahoo removes access to the content. Of course, Yahoo outages in the mean time aren't helping.

2. If Yahoo doesn't fix the outage, ... can we request a refund for
going Premium?
Yes. Mark has mentioned this on several occasions.

3. Are there any manual work arounds that anyone knows about? We don't
want to get caught out there after December 14th with all of our
data deleted.
Yes, but if Yahoo is not functioning well those work-around will likely run into the same or similar problems attempting to access the data.

See the FAQ, items 10 & 14:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups

There is also a chrome browser plug-in that is known to produce an mbox file of the correct format for import - it was written by Mark Fletcher himself during development of the transfer agent. However, recently people have reported trouble getting it to run.
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/Chrome+Application+To+Download+Messages

(The plan is to ... leave the conversations there as an archive, ...
A rather short-lived archive, given Yahoo's plan is to remove the Conversations along with the other web content.

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Re: Unable to transfer old Yahoo group

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 07:30 PM, BMaverick wrote:
I've been monitoring the Archive Team's live progress of backing up the ENTIRE Yahoo Groups
Hmm, I wonder if that's part of the reason that Mark is having so much trouble?  We all know YG isn't in the best of health and this extra load sure wouldn't help.  One thing he's mentioned that he keeps running into is the rate limiter.  Basically, it's how many times a group can be accessed in a given amount of time, so having this other site backing things up will increase the number of hits.

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Re: Upgraded to Premium and THEN saw the notice...

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 07:17 PM, <webchhk@...> wrote:
Groups.io has been VERY clear in their communication that if your transfer wasn't initiated by December 1st, the transfer couldn't happen.
Mark hasn't decided on a "hard" date for initiation, only no promises after Dec 1.  From what I've seen him do in the last 5 years, I expect he's going to do everything he can to get as many groups transferred as possible.  He has clearly stated that if you upgrade to Premium and he's unable to do the transfer, he'll gladly refund your money and delete your group for you.

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Re: Invitation not accepted yet #transfer

Frances
 

Just replied to another GMF member - 

On Beta, there is a thread about it. Mark (Groups.io) says:
Question: Will the December 1 cut off date for transfers be postponed if Yahoo! hasn’t fix their problem by then?
His answer: Well, we're kind of cut off right now as it is. I will keep trying and if things improve, I'll process what we have and make a decision then.
 
 
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