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Re: Question About Photos

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:55 PM, Ginger Iorizzo wrote:
Just wondering if there is a way comment on photos in the albums?
It depends on what you mean by "comment". The member who uploaded a photo can then use "Edit" to add an explanation underneath, but have general comments by other members... I rather think not.

In fact I doubt if composing a "separate" message involves any more work than it takes a photo owner to add a comment themselves anyway. In addition, adding a photo requires using the web UI while merely commenting on it can be done by email... but only after you've used the web UI to see the photo in the first place. :)

Chris


Re: Group emails taking hours or days to arrive #email #delayed

KATHLEEN DESMAISONS
 

Shal,

As a business owner and manager, I am always looking for ways to improve my service. It means doing problem-solving proactively. In bringing the problem here it might have worked better if someone had said is there any time or any reason that you or one of your vendors sending out emails in your name would be flooding the system?  We have put some safeguards into place to throttle transmission to prevent shut down by a few email servers.

I would have realized that indeed, yes, I send out a newsletter once a week that goes to a lot of people.

And I would have realized that this was not a "glitch" or a problem with io or Earthlink (or me) but simply a logistical issue. And I could take it up with the vendor who is sending out my newsletter under my name and my email.

The good news is that we are talking about it.  And I can go and tidy things up.

Kathleen


Question About Photos

Ginger Iorizzo
 

Hi,
Just wondering if there is a way comment on photos in the albums? We used to be able to do this in Yahoo groups and our members found it easier than having to compose a separate message in order to comment.
Thanks!
Ginger


Re: Losing draft messages - VERY FRUSTRATING #message_deletion #messages #drafts

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 03:57 PM, J. Bernstein wrote:
This is going to teach me NOT to use the web interface.
All I can say is that I have never had a problem on those occasions when - for whatever reason - I "lose" a draft during writing. I suggest that you always do a "page refresh" after the apparent loss of any draft; they always seem to appear as if by magic...

Chris


Losing draft messages - VERY FRUSTRATING #message_deletion #messages #drafts

J. Bernstein
 

While I praise the web view of postings in our group, when I compose messages to my group through the online interface, over and over again, during composition of the message, when I'm trying to click in the message to add content, the draft is lost and I'm bounced back to the main group message page.  Immediately afterward, I go to the Drafts, but it doesn't have my content.  This is going to teach me NOT to use the web interface.

Is there any buried preference to automatically save in drafts during composition?

Jonathan Bernstein
ApplePi group


Re: Bulk change member attributes #members #permissions

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Haisam Ido wrote:
I want to permit all the members in my group to post without moderation, ... but I can't find the bulk feature.
To come up with a complete answer I think it would be worth knowing if your group is "Restricted" or not, because that impacts on Moderation Settings because one of the Spam Control functions always has to be selected.

And what are your current settings?

Chris


Re: Bulk change member attributes #members #permissions

Haisam Ido <haisam.ido@...>
 

nvm, I just understood what you wrote. Thank you!


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 9:55 AM Haisam Ido <haisam.ido@...> wrote:
Thanks. To start with yes, but my question is after the fact when one has imported many members.  Changing the Message Moderation to 'Messages are not moderated' is only applicable to new members and doesn't alter previous members.  How does one bulk alter previously existing members?

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 9:29 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Haisam Ido wrote:
I want to permit all the members in my group to post without moderation,
If you want all members to post without moderation then the simplest thing is to change the group settings so that messages do not get moderated to start with.  Look in Admin > Settings and then see the Spam Control panel. Change the Message Moderation to 'Messages are not moderated'.  If you wish to override the group settings for a number of members, you can do this from the Members list. Select Admin > Members then use the check-box next to each member to select those concerned and then use the Change Moderation option from the Actions button at the bottom of the list. You may wish to change the number of members displayed on each page of the membership list by updating your Account > Preferences if you have lots to do.

Regards,
Andy


Re: Bulk change member attributes #members #permissions

Haisam Ido <haisam.ido@...>
 

Thanks. To start with yes, but my question is after the fact when one has imported many members.  Changing the Message Moderation to 'Messages are not moderated' is only applicable to new members and doesn't alter previous members.  How does one bulk alter previously existing members?


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 9:29 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Haisam Ido wrote:
I want to permit all the members in my group to post without moderation,
If you want all members to post without moderation then the simplest thing is to change the group settings so that messages do not get moderated to start with.  Look in Admin > Settings and then see the Spam Control panel. Change the Message Moderation to 'Messages are not moderated'.  If you wish to override the group settings for a number of members, you can do this from the Members list. Select Admin > Members then use the check-box next to each member to select those concerned and then use the Change Moderation option from the Actions button at the bottom of the list. You may wish to change the number of members displayed on each page of the membership list by updating your Account > Preferences if you have lots to do.

Regards,
Andy


Group Member with @live.uk.co Email Address Getting DMARC Bounce Back Emails

Patty Sliney
 

One of our list members who has an @live.uk.co email address is getting DMARC bounce backs.  But, it appears that her messages are still being posted.  Any suggestions for what this list member can request of her ISP to stop the DMARC bounce back messages?  Not sure how to advise her.
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Re: Bulk change member attributes #members #permissions

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Haisam Ido wrote:
I want to permit all the members in my group to post without moderation,
If you want all members to post without moderation then the simplest thing is to change the group settings so that messages do not get moderated to start with.  Look in Admin > Settings and then see the Spam Control panel. Change the Message Moderation to 'Messages are not moderated'.  If you wish to override the group settings for a number of members, you can do this from the Members list. Select Admin > Members then use the check-box next to each member to select those concerned and then use the Change Moderation option from the Actions button at the bottom of the list. You may wish to change the number of members displayed on each page of the membership list by updating your Account > Preferences if you have lots to do.

Regards,
Andy


Bulk change member attributes #members #permissions

Haisam Ido <haisam.ido@...>
 

I want to permit all the members in my group to post without moderation, how do I do that in bulk? I know how to do it individually, but I can't find the bulk feature.


Re: Change in List-Id

 

Malcolm, you surprise me. The angle brackets around the list id value are normal, mandated by the RFC. And they're present in the mails - including your one - that I get from groups.io. But I'm viewing the mail's headers etc in a 'raw email' or 'source' mode; perhaps you're using some browser interface that has stripped the amgle brackets out?

If you download mails and look at them in a text editor I'd be hugely surprised if the angle brackets were not there.

Regarding regex etc, yes of course... but I certainly wouldn't use .*groupname... but instead look for the literal dot that precedes the groupname, as otherwise one might get false matches with groups whose groupnames are substrings of other groups' names. Eg if one subscribed to abcde.groups.io and cde.groups.io. And I would still look for the initial "<" delimiter. If it turns out that digit sequences come and go, maybe angle bracket, then optional digits followed by dot, then the literal name, and then the final >.


Re: Group emails taking hours or days to arrive #email #delayed

 

Kathleen,

So io was doing the throttling.
Only as it was discovered to be necessary to avoid rejections by a given receiving service.

I think "better late than never" applies here.

But that solves the problem during peak usage. If the rate of messages intended for users of a given service exceed that service's limits when averaged over an extended period something will have to give, and that likely means lost messages for users of that service.

Shal


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Re: Change in List-Id

 

Jeremy,

Is the format of that header's contents set by groups.io, or is it
determined by someone else,
List-Id is defined by an internet standard (RFC-2919):
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2919

I'm not sure who defined Mailing-List (I don't find it in an RFC), but it is also used by Yahoo Groups so it isn't just a Groups.io thing.

Shal


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Re: Change in List-Id

Malcolm Austen
 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:10:24 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll <yahgrp87@...> wrote:

I'm seeing the same thing on one of the groups whose traffic I read (the only one that's had traffic since the time you mention).

I don't mind changing my LIst-Id: filters but am interested to know if the leading sequence number is expected to stay the same for all time, or if (say) every few weeks, months, of years those numbers might change. Alternatively I also see a "Mailing-List:" header, eg for the group in question I see

List-Id: <40075.H390-MVS.groups.io>
I have noticed several quotes of that format, but I have never seen <...>, your message, for instance has a header:

List-Id: 66.GroupManagersForum.groups.io

So maybe you could filter on (assuming a regex is allowed) /^List-Id: .*groupname.groups.io$/

That would continue to work if the header reverts or the number changes.

Malcolm.

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Re: Group emails taking hours or days to arrive #email #delayed

KATHLEEN DESMAISONS
 

Hey shal,

I was just reading updates in io postings and came across this:

  • INTERNAL: Changed how we were limiting email sent to some domains, to use the MX server domain as a key for limiting instead of the receipient's domain. This will affect all messages to GoDaddy hosted domains, orange.fr/wanadoo.fr, earthlink/mindspring/netcom and a couple others. This will hopefully allow us to keep under per-connection limits imposed by these email service providers and avoid getting temporarily blocked for trying to send too much email at one time.
So io was doing the throttling.

Guess I better be reading the announcements.

Kathleen


Re: Change in List-Id

Saundra
 

I’ve been experiencing the same thing as Gilbert & Jeremy since the same time with 3 GIO groups. So I have the same musings.

S


Re: Group emails taking hours or days to arrive #email #delayed

 

Paul,

it is funny how the Viagra ads show up like clock work..
That's surely the way it seems. But we don't know about all the ones that were rejected - just the ones that got through to annoy us.

the sneaky part is some of the new posters post real messages for 3 to
10 posts..
then go to all out spam posts!
Ouch. That's always been a possibility but I've rarely seen it in groups where I've used New Member Moderation. But those aren't very large groups so perhaps I'm just not on the spammer's radar.

I mod all messages with the new groups...
yea it is not a free for all now!!
and they have to watch what they post!!
So, you might say that the price of freedom (from spam) is eternal vigilance (in moderation)?

Shal
;-)


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Re: Owner not in all subgroups

Ken Cameron
 

I would go the route of just setting your owner account to 'nomail' in the
subgroup instead, presuming that's possible. That keeps an owner in the
group and avoids all the other possible issues from trying to delete an
owner.

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Re: Group emails taking hours or days to arrive #email #delayed

 

Kathleen,

I don't think the problem is with "my" email per se but with
Earthlink's perception of io.
Yes, I believe that is correct.

And the actions we took with my account seem to have resolved the
problem.

I am going to continue to think about it. I am always intrigued by the
task of finding a way up a corporate ladder for thoughtful feedback.
With the issue resolved for you any further investigation on your part would be altruistic (on the behalf of other Earthlink users) or for your own curiosity. Having a solution "on the record" is also a benefit to others so I don't think you need to feel obliged.

Shal




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