Frances wrote:

You can specify whether the Databases feature is available on your group’s website and, if it is, who can view and create/edit tables in the group’s databases...So you can control access in Settings and then in each database.

Thanks for the reply Frances but my group is already set to "Members can view, only moderators can create" for Databases. In the link to the Group Owners Manual in Permissions for Databases that you provided it is clearly stated that this setting is the default setting. When I looked at our group's Database Permissions it still had that setting. Yet somehow this member was able to create and upload a table entry. I did receive a notification but only after the fact. Since the Database feature in my group is already set to members can view, only moderators can create, that they could do that appears to be a bug. When I get time I will take this issue to the Beta group.

It's no big deal, this is the first time in the twenty years the group has been around that there was an entry posted in the Database. But it does appear to be a bug that I feel obligated to bring to Mark's attention.

tommy0421

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:30 PM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

Your mention of being able to turn on/off subscriber access to the Database requires going to Settings/Features? The Database in the group I own is already set to "Members can view, moderators can create tables." But that didn't stop the member this morning. Maybe because he didn't add a table, only rows of text?

I checked a database and there are more controls for each database.
Go to Database, click on title. Click on Edit Properties.
There are 4 permissions there.

I use Files and Wiki but not Databases, except as a test. I see in Owner's Help:

Permissions

You can specify whether the Databases feature is available on your group’s website and, if it is, who can view and create/edit tables in the group’s databases. From the Permissions list in the Database section of the panel, select the option you want to use

https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-settings-for-premium-and-enterprise-features/database

So you can control access in Settings and then in each database.
BTW, I have a free / basic group with databases as a legacy feature.

Frances
 
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Thanks Bruce. I am set up to be notified when a Photo, File or a Database entry is made. I think the reason I was remembering I could approve/disapprove Photos/Files from members is, almost no one visits the web page. If they want to add a photo or file they send it to the group and ask me to download it and then upload it to the Photos or Files section.

Your mention of being able to turn on/off subscriber access to the Database requires going to Settings/Features? The Database in the group I own is already set to "Members can view, moderators can create tables." But that didn't stop the member this morning. Maybe because he didn't add a table, only rows of text?

tommy0421

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 04:15 PM, Colin Brooks wrote:

Wish we could rename the misspelled or confused tags but alias at least creates a link.

Colin -- There's nothing to keep you from changing the name.  Just edit it, fix the misspelling, and save. 

Any associated messages will continue to carry the updated tag.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 02:02 PM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

Actually what I would have liked to have been able to do would have been to have approval of the Database entry before it got uploaded.

Tommy -- You can turn on/off subscriber access to these features, but there's no way to "moderate" an upload or a database entry, as you can for incoming messages.

Next best thing is probably to turn on a notification to yourself. Click on "Subscription" and scroll down to the "Moderator Notifications" block. You'll find the Databases one at the bottom.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 01:02 PM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

Plus they're not databases that were uploaded, they're urls to websites.

A database can be a collection of about anything.  (For groups that were transferred from Yahoo, the Links page was converted to a database on Groups.io.)  From links to web sites to names and addresses.  We use one for favorite restaurants, another for spare parts, and a third for repair shops that we've used.

Duane
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Actually what I would have liked to have been able to do would have been to have approval of the Database entry before it got uploaded. I wouldn't have approved it 'as is' as I don't see any reason to replicate links to websites that already exist in the Files section. Plus they're not databases that were uploaded, they're urls to websites.

However, spurred on by Frances' suggestions,  I discovered I can at least edit the title and description of the database upload (they bore no relationship whatsoever to what was uploaded) and remove the dead-end link. By the way, I should add, we're a basic group, a legacy group that left Yahoo for Groups.io in January 2018.

The sad thing is, only a handful of members (out of 500) ever visit the group's webpage. Of those, only one or two have ever seemed to have looked at the Photo or Files sections. When members have posted about previous discussions, asking if 'anyone remembers,' and I have suggested to them they do an archived message search, they usually reply -- without explanation -- that they're not going do it. 

There was no special notice of the Database upload, the member sent no accompanying message, and I'd be surprised if anyone ever sees it.

tommy421

Take a look at hashtag aliases, I think that will get you where you want to be (or close anyway), see owner's manual - hashtags. When you create or edit a hashtag, you can define which existing hashtag it's an alias for. Only the target tag turns up in the search list or topic dropdown list

We use them in our group to bridge the terminology/spelling divide, e.g. US 'muffler' for UK 'silencer', 'center' for 'centre' etc. as it's an international group. The idea is that a topic with an alias hashtag is transferred to the tag that it's an alias for. We use predefined hashtags to try and keep the tags relevant (and typo-proof!).

There's no problem using mixed case for tags, we have a number although the majority are lower case; I think that's more a convention than anything.

Cheers

Del

Not as far as I know, but what you can do is prevent members from adding their own hashtags. In my groups I do this. Members are free to request new hashtags, but they can't add their own.

Go to Admin > Settings > Message Policies > Hashtag Permissions and you can see the options available.

More information is at https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-hashtags/controlling-the-use-and-creation-of-hashtags and https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/1328 .

Pete

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 05:54 PM, DANIEL MCGUIRE wrote:

so I unsubscribed my owner ID.

Does this mean the group is orphaned forever?  Any hope here? -

No. Groups.io will not let you unsubscribe the only owner. I suspect that one of your other ids may also have owner permission.

Regards
Andy

I am the owner for my church group and have several IDs for testing.  I got a complaint from a parishioner that unsubscribe was not working and I tested it….but was using a device where my owner ID was logged in….so I unsubscribed my owner ID.

Does this mean the group is orphaned forever?  Any hope here? -

dj

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 12:22 PM, Duane wrote:

It's a moderated group and I presumed when a member wants to upload a photo or file it requires approval. It doesn't happen often but as I recall it works that way. How about entries to the Database section?

No, none of those are moderated just because a member is moderated.  It was asked for way back when Groups.io first started.  Even Mark thought it was a good idea, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/5825, but it's never been implemented.

Duane, can't the owner stop members editing the databases through settings? - 
https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-settings-for-premium-and-enterprise-features/database

 
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On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:13 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

It's a moderated group and I presumed when a member wants to upload a photo or file it requires approval. It doesn't happen often but as I recall it works that way. How about entries to the Database section?

No, none of those are moderated just because a member is moderated.  It was asked for way back when Groups.io first started.  Even Mark thought it was a good idea, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/5825, but it's never been implemented.

Duane
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This morning a member of a group I own added links to websites in the Databases section. The title of the addition does not match what he uploaded. He posted five entries. One doesn't load, (it returns 'page not found'), three are already in the group's files section. One is an update for a link in a file in the Files Section.

My concern is, the member being able to access and upload to the Database section and that I only found about it after the fact. It's a moderated group and I presumed when a member wants to upload a photo or file it requires approval. It doesn't happen often but as I recall it works that way. How about entries to the Database section? Is there a way to moderate that? I'm worried now, I have no idea what else this member may decide to upload.

This member seems to be a bit -- for lack of a better word -- clueless. He recently replied to a message from 2003. I guess he found it in the archives. The original poster was offering a CD when he had completed it. He never posted anything else about it and I would presume he never finished it. The person offering the CD in 2003 passed away in 2013.

Again, the name of the posted Database entry bears no relationship to what was uploaded. The description has typos and misspellings. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence!

tommy0421

Duane:

Not Malcolm, but it's at https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/29089

Thank you Duane. I replied to / supported Malcom's request on Beta, hoping that Mark will consider it.

Marina

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 01:01 AM, Cacky B wrote:

I thought perhaps my method of handling this problem would be of help to others who find themselves stymied by trying to explain what has happened to someone languishing on the "Bounced" list. I send this to the person:

I received the notice that you had been unsubscribed because of a spam identification. 

People on the Bounced list have not been unsubscribed. It's two different things.

https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-members/reviewing-members-who-were-removed-because-of 
https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-members/checking-for-bouncing-members 

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AK| I am referring to the visibility
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| Groups.


That's what I had understood from
the beginning too, but I'm certainly
not a person who knows all the features
of Grupos.io, like others here.

Sometimes, a little ignorance is
a blessing... :-)

[ ] Rubens


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I thought perhaps my method of handling this problem would be of help to others who find themselves stymied by trying to explain what has happened to someone languishing on the "Bounced" list. I send this to the person:

I received the notice that you had been unsubscribed because of a spam identification.  Thought I'd explain why and how this happens and how to avoid it.  It's a pain in the neck, but the problem is a result of the fact that spammers love to get on lists to spread their junk.  The ISPs (yours would be [fill in their carrier]) have spam filters that will remove what they think might be spam and put it in your spam folder, all without you knowing that it happened. (Yahoo and AOL are among the worst at labeling valid emails as spam.)  Obviously, you can accidentally click on spam also which has the same effect.  When this happens, the ISP will notify groups.io (our list providing service) that they are disseminating spam and ask that the member who objected to the spam be removed from their list.   Groups.io, in an attempt to be good citizens of the internet will remove the member, but realizing that this is more often a mistake than an actual occurrence of spam, they send the email you received with the link to be put back on the list.  I am grateful that they do this so our members don't miss out without even knowing what happened to their account. I hope you will take advantage of this opportunity.

So, Okay, here's the simplest way to avoid getting into this fix to begin with:

1. Try to be very careful when you're through with a message from a group.  Click "Delete" to dispose of it, and never "Spam" or "Junk".  If you realize you have accidentally hit one of those, then go into that folder ("Spam" or "Junk") and mark it as "OK"; then delete it.

2.  Visit your ISP's web site to check your spam folder with some regularity.  I try to do mine at least every other day. If you do find something in your spam folder, be sure to select it and then click "OK" which will remove it from your spam folder.

Cacky