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Re: Yahoo Transfer Backlog?

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 06:54 am, Tom Vail wrote:
I'm trying to do some planning and wondered if there Is there a way to know what the lead time on a Yahoo transfer is?  I know a while back it was really backed up, and with the continuing problems with Yahoo (our site is unusable for many) is it still backed up?

Peace,
Tom
Tom,

I initiated a Yahoo group transfer yesterday and the transfer was completed this evening. Admittedly, it was a group with very little content, but all the messages, members, files, photos and database content transferred over intact. It was a free account group, so no special treatment as might be seen by a paying customer.


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Re: When replying to messages in this group

 

On 3 Jul 2018 at 12:36, Duane wrote:

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:29 pm, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:


I too prefer reading messages from my inbox
You can do it whichever way you prefer, but you can't expect everyone else to
conform to your way of thinking (unless you own the group ;>).  We each have
our own preferred method of communicating.  On my groups, most of us tend to
read online, so not a problem for us.
In this group many of us (most?) prefer to read posts in an email client. It is
common courtesy to allow for that by including in replies sufficient of the
previous message to make it clear what you are talking about, otherwise you
fail to make your point. What is there to lose by doing so?

Jim Fisher

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Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

 

On 3 Jul 2018 at 17:10, Glenn Glazer wrote:

* EOF: End of File, more specifically, a special character placed at the
end of a file so that programs know not to read memory beyond that
point.  It is not specific to Python and started with the C programming
language.
The concept is much older than that. I remember using a special EOF character
(although we didn't call it that) on a 1st generation computer, where input and
output was punched cards only. The character told the machine to stop reading
cards and switch off the card reader. Every program and most input data files
had to end with that character.

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Re: When replying to messages in this group

magicalkingdomgroups@gmail.com <magicalkingdomgroups@...>
 

You're right.
 
 

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Date: 7/3/2018 11:08:32 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] When replying to messages in this group
 
Different email engines handle "include original message" in different ways, or don't include them it all.
It depends on how you answer a post, whether the thread shows up.
Some folks aren't savvy enough to use (or don't know about) "select, copy, paste" when replying via email.


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Re: Finally setting up my new groups, and have a few questions

 

Patti,

2) There is an option to allow group members to download the entire
group archive. Is that exactly as it seems, and if so, what are the
pros/cons on allowing that?
Allow Members To Download Archives is a rather new option, and I doubt that very many have experience with it. I've not tested it myself.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/17451

But yes, I believe it is exactly as it seems. Note that the text below says "message archives", so unlike the "Export Group Data" feature available to moderators it would not include options to download other parts of the group (files, photos, etc.).

One thing I'd want to know before enabling it is whether it delivers the full content of the messages, including header information such as the poster's email address. If so I definitely would NOT enable it on a group with unrestricted membership. Actually I probably wouldn't enable it on an open group in either case.

Shal


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Re: Yahoo Transfer Backlog?

 

Tom,

I'm trying to do some planning and wondered if there Is there a way to
know what the lead time on a Yahoo transfer is?
Nope. Not unless Mark says something about it in beta, or someone reports here about a recent completion.

Shal


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Re: Bouncing of email subscription and message approval messages

John Rethorst
 

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:48 am, Tom Hilton wrote:
How about just accepting the email and killing it instead of bouncing it.
Terrific idea. That's how Yahoo does it. 

John R.

Re: When replying to messages in this group

Ken Kloeber
 

Different email engines handle "include original message" in different ways, or don't include them it all.
It depends on how you answer a post, whether the thread shows up.
Some folks aren't savvy enough to use (or don't know about) "select, copy, paste" when replying via email.


From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of magicalkingdomgroups@...
Sent: Tue Jul 3, 2018 1:14 PM
To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GMF] When replying to messages in this group
 
Yes something like that. Or the way I just did it now when I replied.
Ilene 
 
 

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Re: Automatic Unsubscribes?

 

Patty,

Would not that auto reinstatement email now end up in that person's
Spam folder since they have marked the group's email address as Spam?
That's certainly a possibility.

I can't say it is a certainty, given the vagaries of how various email services filter spam.

Should we as list mods, warn unsubbed list members to also look in
their Spam/Junk folder for that auto reinstatment email, ...
I've done that on occasion, using my personal email, in some of my tight-knit groups (classmates).

And, it sure would be nice if Groups.io had the ability to "group
email" all auto unsubbed list members, to let them know they were auto
unsubbed due to marking the list's email as Spam, and here's the link
to be reinstated.
How would that differ from the message Groups.io already sends? That is, if this follow-up message comes from groups.io it seems no less likely to land in spam than the first one. Or do I misunderstand you?

I already have two pages of auto-unsubbed list members since
transferring over, about 3 weeks ago :-( Again, due to the make up
my list members, ...
A large population of AOL, Yahoo Mail, and certain other service's users will do that, regardless of the members' other characteristics.

Shal


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Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

 

Leslie,

One member of my group said that her email to our group bounced, so I
checked her "Email Delivery History" and found this:
As Duane and others mentioned, the Email Delivery History is for outbound messages - from the group to the member.

It sounds like your member's message bounced on the inbound leg - from her to the group's posting address. You can learn about problems on the inbound leg from the group's Activity log. In the Message Activity tab look for entries showing "attempted to send message". Those will be failed attempts,

But it sounds like you already figured out that this was a case of
"Non-member [person's gmail address] attempted to send message ..."

Shal


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Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Bob Bellizzi
 

Many supposedly free email providers perform some sort of restriction on their victim/members.  rr.com throttles the incoming messages if one exceeds an unspecified total of something they do  not define to the user.   As a resdult, messages are bounced by the rr.com server with cryptic error messages like, "too many messsages" 
account busy, try later
etc.
Hotmail also does this and Prodigy.  AOL has some unique stuff going on.  Their servers are actually on their own custom style network with bridges to the real internet.  If you assigned bridge gets too busy, they declare a "destination timeout".  this last may have changed but I've seen more retries on AOL that on any other service.


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Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Leslie Noelani
 

Thanks for all your help.

I sent out a test message. Everyone was able to receive it and respond to it except for one charter.net account whose account was set up to respond through gmail. We subscribed her gmail account in addition to her charter.net account and now everything seems to be working for all members. :-)

Leslie

Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Glenn Glazer
 

On 7/3/2018 15:45, Leslie Noelani wrote:
I'm googling EOF (which is the other error message) and it either means "end of file" in python script (which doesn't seem to make sense here) or something related to SMTP (is that a smart phone?)
* EOF: End of File, more specifically, a special character placed at the end of a file so that programs know not to read memory beyond that point.  It is not specific to Python and started with the C programming language.
* SMTP: Simple Mail Transport Protocol: the internet protocol used to communicate with mail servers for the purposes of sending and retrieving email.  It is not specific to mobile devices.

I don't know exactly what error message you are reading, but it sounds like someone is sending malformed files, like one with the EOF character inserted inside the header or something.

Best,

Glenn

Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Leslie Noelani at 7/3/2018 10:45 PM UTC:

I'm googling EOF (which is the other error message) and it either means "end of file" in python script (which doesn't seem to make sense here) or something related to SMTP (is that a smart phone?)


EOF means "end of file" in this context also, but it emanates from deep within the mail server software and isn't something you can do anything about.

Bottom line for members unable to post is that unless the bounce message comes from Groups.io, then the member needs to directly contact the ISP thru which the message was posted. You probably need to see that bounce message - complete with all headers - to determine where it came from. Good luck explaining to your member what "complete with all headers" means.

Jim H

Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Leslie Noelani
 

I'm googling EOF (which is the other error message) and it either means "end of file" in python script (which doesn't seem to make sense here) or something related to SMTP (is that a smart phone?)

Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Leslie Noelani
 

As it turns out, all three members whose mail said "452 4.1.1 Too much mail from this address E2210" are subscribed with charter.net addresses. One of them has been trying to respond through the gmail address she said she didn't want to subscribe to the group.

Leslie

Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 01:43 pm, Patty Fletcher wrote:
What I'd like to know please? Is how did you check that?
To see what's going on with a member, go to the Members page and select the member in question by clicking on the row anyplace except the box on the left.  On the resulting page, choose the "Email Delivery History button at the top.

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Re: When replying to messages in this group

Patty Fletcher
 

I get it now.

Must’ve missed the part about online mail.

I read all my mail from my in box and when I do get digest mail I have no problem copying enough of the message to make it so folks know what I’m referring to.

 

 

From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io <GroupManagersForum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 3:29 PM
To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GMF] When replying to messages in this group

 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm, Patty Fletcher wrote:

Does it not help if a person’s settings are set to show the poster’s original message?


That would only work in an email client.  When replying online, there's no such setting, so each person replying has to make the decision of whether there will be any previous information included.

As an example, I highlighted your line above, then clicked on Reply so it was automatically included.  If I had just hit Reply, nothing would have been included, but I could click on "Quote Whole Post" (the speech balloon) to get it all included, then edit out anything I didn't want or intersperse my answers.

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Re: Members Unable to Post to Group

Patty Fletcher
 

What I'd like to know please? Is how did you check that?
I really do not understand all I know about all this.
Not sure why. Feeling rather stupid.

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From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io <GroupManagersForum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Leslie Noelani
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 11:08 AM
To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Subject: [GMF] Members Unable to Post to Group

One member of my group said that her email to our group bounced, so I checked her "Email Delivery History" and found this:

Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt:
Message: [MyGroup] Subject Title
Attempted: Jun 27
Response: 452 4.1.1 Too much mail from this address E2210


I thought I'd check every member in the group (we have maybe 10
members) and found that two other members have the same message.


And a fourth member had this:

Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt:
Message: [MyGroup] Subject Title
Attempted: Jul 2
Response: EOF


What needs to happen for them to be able to respond to group posts? Is it something I can do myself?



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Re: When replying to messages in this group

Duane
 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:29 pm, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
I too prefer reading messages from my inbox
You can do it whichever way you prefer, but you can't expect everyone else to conform to your way of thinking (unless you own the group ;>).  We each have our own preferred method of communicating.  On my groups, most of us tend to read online, so not a problem for us.

Duane
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