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Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

Bruce Bowman
 

I worked for a multinational company before I retired. Our standard date format was DDMMMYYYY (i.e.: 04MAR2018). We got used to it, but even that had its problems.

I'm sure Mark is cognizant of everyone's biases and -- if it's implemented at all -- will be done in a manner that minimizes the rockage of anybody's world.

"If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong."  -- Charles Kettering

Bruce


Re: Reporting Spam Message

mrfixit82852 <mrfixit82852@...>
 

Thanks to everyone who replied. I am glad that an email is sent to the person to rejoin the group. I have seen several times when a member would report a message as spam and be removed then the next message I got was they rejoined.

Thanks

Joe


Re: What's going on here?

 

Shal,

Jim,

> Maybe in North America, but until the internet became widespread I
> knew it only as a sharp sign in music notation.

Actually, the sharp sign is a different character, versus #.

The octothorp has a long and storied history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign#Other_names_in_English

Shal
Yes, OK. I can't see the sharp sign symbol in your message, just the dreaded
square box, but following your link shows it. I hadn't noticed that slight
difference (just rotated a few degrees). In that case, prior to internet use, I
hadn't come across it at all. The use of C# (pronounced "see sharp") to name
the programming language just adds to that confusion.

I must remember to use the appropriate numeric code if I ever want to use a
sharp sign in HTML!

Jim

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Re: What's going on here?

 

Again, those usages are unknown this side of the Atlantic. Pound weight is
always lb, pound currency is £ (and that is what is meant by the words "pound
sign") and on a phone the # sign is called hash (It didn't exist on old phones
with a rotating dial).

Jim

On 3 Mar 2018 at 15:01, Don wrote:

Then there is always the pound sign used at least in the U.S. to indicate weight
like 10# (lb.), and we can't forget about the # key on a phone, which is always
referred to as the pound key.

Don

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Re: Reporting Spam Message

Bruce Bowman
 

After our transfer I had one member (out of 150) with a Hotmail account who was also unable to keep this spam-bounce thing from happening. He would receive the first message in a thread but subsequent ones would land in his spam folder. Or so I was told...

We had six other Hotmail subscribers and none of them experienced any problems. I had one of them send him a note telling him how to whitelist the group email address. I also offered several other options. He ignored us both, and ended up getting a different email address entirely and resubscribing using that. A rather extreme alternative but he seemed pleased with the outcome and that's all that matters.

If you aren't willing to "show the love" enough to actually sit behind him and witness the problem yourself, I suggest you first have him switch to plain-text digest mode. Since these contain no hyperlinks, it seems unlikely that they would bounce. If you can get that to work, switch to full digest and maybe you can probe enough to figure out exactly what his ISP is choking on. That's what I was hoping to do with my guy but he wasn't interested in being a guinea pig. 

Bruce


Re: Invitations to join

Don Grass
 

“I think the best you can do is paste the html found on the Promote page here into your web site and hope the spiders eventually find it.”

 

I was a little concerned about how long it was going to take my new Groups.io site to show up in search engines, as the old YG group site was on the first page whenever I did a search. Groups.io was about four pages back on the same searches, but I noticed after the transfer when the old site was not being used anymore, the Groups.io site starting moving up to the first search page. I’m not sure how that happened, but I’m guessing it might have had something to do with site activity.

 

Don


Re: Using Activity log

Marv Waschke
 

Knowing that the search uses whole words is helpful. Searching on segments would be useful when, as I was, you try to find members who have more than one email address. I hoped I might get a match on a first name that appeared in more than one address and deduce that it was actually the same user.

For a service desk application that I developed, I wrote a whole set of search modules for searching the log. Second level support used it quite a bit and my dev team used it for looking for optimizations but the first level support manager banned it among her analysts-- she claimed, rightly I suppose, that first level should not go into that much detail.


Re: Reporting Spam Message

Bob Bellizzi
 

This is a very long subject regarding the major ISPs requiring certain information on each and every message they receive for their subscribers.  
They also are continually modifying those requirements
As a result, very often, one of their subscribers is sent a message by groups.io because they are a member of a group here as you and I are.
And the ISP receiving the message arbitrarily decides does not adhere to their rules because
   Some other ISP Blacklisted groups.io
   The Content may seem to contain objectionable words or phrases, etc.
   The message may seem (to them) not to come from a valid source.
   The message headers do not conform to their (always changing) rules
In the above cases, the receiving ISP may arbitrarily mark the message as spam and inform groups.io of that fact.
There are other, too numerous to mention and ever changing, reasons for them doing this.
                             OR
The receiving party doesn't realize that their group is at a new provider, groups.io, and for some reason, marks the message as spam.

    In all (and more) of the above cases, groups.io is informed and has two choices.
Ignore the notification and risk having the entire groups.io (5000 groups?  almost 2 million members) be blacklisted and spend possibly days and weeks trying to be removed from all blacklisting sites.

    Or, unsubscribe that member's account

Mark, the owner and operator of groups.io optioned to unsubscribe the member.
But he also provided a gracious automatic notification to that member that they have been unsubscribed due to spam rules 
And, even more graciously, provides, in that notification a special automatic rejoin link that is active for 3 days after the event.
The appropriate owners and moderators are also especially notified withing the unsubscribe notice to them.

We recently had an event where some Blacklisting sites had groups.io on them and Norton (Symantec) and several other anti spam software generators were preventing members for accessing their groups, on and off for over a day.

We are truly lucky to have someone as thoughtful as Mark as our owner/operator.

Robert Bellizzi
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Re: Invitations to join

J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
 

Agreed. It was amazing how fast our group grew after we moved.

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:25 am, Duane wrote:
Having the group listed in the Groups.io directory seems to update the search engines fairly quickly.
Nice to know. I tried it myself and it works well.

Remarkably, the Y!G that we have by the same name did not show up at all, even using their own search engine.

Bruce



Re: Reporting Spam Message

Duane
 


Reporting Spam Message

mrfixit82852 <mrfixit82852@...>
 

I could not notice when a member of my groups report a message for spam, they are automatically removed from the group.

Why is that?

Thanks

Joe


Re: Invitations to join

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 10:25 am, Duane wrote:
Having the group listed in the Groups.io directory seems to update the search engines fairly quickly.
Nice to know. I tried it myself and it works well.

Remarkably, the Y!G that we have by the same name did not show up at all, even using their own search engine.

Bruce


Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

Glen - G0SBN <g0sbn@...>
 

Even the big guys (and I'm not saying Groups.io isn't) like Microsoft make a mess of this. We're using Office365 across thousands of business users and the date format flip flops between US, UK, and Algerian depending on user locale settings and if using online or local installation of Excel...Absolute nightmare, we defaulted to writing dates in abbreviated full i.e. 12 Jan 18 so software doesn't see it as 1st December when entering 12/1/18

Just setup a Database in Groups.io and noticed it was US even though the locale is GMT whoops UTC (yet another standard) :-)

Regards
Glen


Re: Invitations to join

Duane
 

Another tidbit I just discovered.  There was a group created on Groups.io about 4 hours ago.  I did a search online, by exact name, and it came up as the 2nd or 3rd result, depending on the search engine.  Having the group listed in the Groups.io directory seems to update the search engines fairly quickly.

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Re: Invitations to join

Bruce Bowman
 

>> I think what the person was talking about, was a way to promote their URL the old fashion way.

I've been webmastering for almost 30 years. Back then, search sites such as Google (and Yahoo) used to have "promote" links where you could submit the URL of your page to get your stuff into their engine. Today I think they all spider the web themselves and no longer accept that kind of thing...probably because of the proliferation of phishing sites over the past 5 years.

I think the best you can do is paste the html found on the Promote page here into your web site and hope the spiders eventually find it.

Bruce


Re: Moving topics to sub-groups #subgroups

Glen - G0SBN <g0sbn@...>
 

Thanks for the update Duane. I tried split and merge but as you'll be aware it only works within a Group not across Main and Sub-Groups.

Best Regards
Glen


Re: Invitations to join

Duane
 

The Promote page also has code that can be added to a web site, including a preview of what it will look like.

Duane
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Re: Continuity of IO

Stan Gorodenski
 

Thanks for the links, Duane. With respect to the second one, I read where on group owner said he had gotten a 404 error and was wondering why because it seemed his other internet accesses were working. When I read this my first thought was that the server groups.io is on was shut down for some reason. Could that be it?

I also noted in reading the responses that Mark suggested sending questions to support(at)groups.io. Is this still a viable option? Instead of having re-raised the issue here of continuity, it appears I could have sent my concerns to support. Correct?
Stan

On 3/4/2018 7:55 AM, Duane wrote:
It may not change anyone's opinion, but have a look at https://wingedpig.com/category/groups-io/, especially https://wingedpig.com/2014/09/23/introducing-groups-io/ and the comments below it.

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Re: Invitations to join

Don Grass
 

I think what the person was talking about, was a way to promote their URL the old fashion way. There used to be actual sites a person could go to, where they would fill out a form with their sites URL, name of the site, and short description. It took maybe a few days to a week for the new site to be recognized by some kind of bot (I don’t remember how that actually worked), and then the site could be found when doing a search on the internet. The Promote in Group.io does not work like the old way, as it only lets the site be promoted on FB and Tweeter.

 

Don

 

From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io <GroupManagersForum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 5:46 AM
To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GMF] Invitations to join

 

Go to Admin > Promote for information on adding an invitation to your site.

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Re: Start to Finish Message Transfer

David Grimm
 

In our case, the archived messages (~150,000) were transferred about 3 days after everything else transferred. I happened to notice it while it was happening, and it threw me for a bit of a loop. (See this thread https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/5450). And it was fascinating to watch the home page of the group as they were transferring as the numbers kept changing over the several hours it took to transfer all the messages.

This answer won't speed things up or answer your members' questions, but it should soothe your nerves a bit to know you aren't the only one! And like another post in this thread indicates, we got a nicely detailed email from the transfer agent a VERY soon after the last message transferred explaining exactly what did and did not transfer during the process and why.

Dave