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Re: Sponsorship page in Wiki
Thanks for doing that Duane. I've taken your text and separated it, added that mods with the Billing permission may also check the balance, and added a couple of small graphics. Cheers,
On 2021-11-13 08:51, Duane via
groups.io wrote:
I've started a new page in the GMF wiki for sponsorships. It needs to be fleshed out and could use some illustrations/screenshots with better formatting, but I believe it has the important information.
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Re: "Save & send to group"
#bug
Chris Jones
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:16 AM, Sarah Procter Abbott wrote:
Would you kindly check for me?For the avoidance of doubt... we cannot check what is happening in your group. The Group Managers Forum is a peer to peer group intended for those individuals who own or moderate groups; it is not a group of managers at, or employed by, Groups.io. There is no reason to doubt the accuracy of Andy W's post, but his report applies to his group, not yours. I suggest that you have a look at your Activity Log to see if there any clues there. Chris
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Re: "Save & send to group"
#bug
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:16 AM, Sarah Procter Abbott wrote:
When we edit and save messages, no problem, but when after editing we click "save and send to group", they are not being sent to the group.It works OK for me. The edit is shown in the archive and I received an email copy as expected. Regards Andy
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"Save & send to group"
#bug
Sarah Procter Abbott
When we edit and save messages, no problem, but when after editing we click "save and send to group", they are not being sent to the group.
Would you kindly check for me? Thanks again for the great io! Sarah
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Re: Allow nonmembers to post
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 06:44 PM, Cal wrote:
it doesn't bounce or show up as pending. It seems to just disappear into a black hole. Any ideas?In addition to what Bruce said, check your Activity Log and you should see entries in the format 'Non-member <nonmemberemailaddress> attempted to send message "message subject", via email' Andy
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Re: Allow nonmembers to post
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 01:44 PM, Cal wrote:
I've been experienting, and for some reason, when I post from an address that's not a member, the email never shows up on the list, it doesn't bounce or show up as pending. It seems to just disappear into a black hole. Any ideas?Cal -- If you want nonmember to post, you have to enable it. https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-policy-settings Having done, so, such posts should land in Pending. Otherwise, this is by design. Most nonmember posts come from spammers...if groups.io provided a response of any kind it would only encourage them to send more spam. Regards, Bruce Check out the groups.io Help Center and groups.io Owners Manual
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Allow nonmembers to post
Cal
I've been experienting, and for some reason, when I post from an address that's not a member, the email never shows up on the list, it doesn't bounce or show up as pending. It seems to just disappear into a black hole. Any ideas?
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Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time
#photos
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 09:17 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
The only times I remember having difficulties like this is when there's internet congestion. It can be between me and my provider, their connection, or the connection between Groups.io and AWS (where the pictures are stored/retrieved.) Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Re: Same Email in group as a pending member
Leeni <leeniluvsgroups2@...>
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How can a member be pending if they are already in the group using that email address? Shouldn't it be blocked from being added saying something like they are already a member in the group? If they're not logged in when they click on the Join/Apply button, it will take them to a page to enter their email address. If they enter an address that's already a member, it will tell them so. I'd double check the address in question. It's not uncommon for someone to have very similar addresses that only differ by one character, like JaneDoe and JaneDoe1.Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Re: Same Email in group as a pending member
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 07:46 AM, Leeni wrote:
How can a member be pending if they are already in the group using that email address? Shouldn't it be blocked from being added saying something like they are already a member in the group?If they're not logged in when they click on the Join/Apply button, it will take them to a page to enter their email address. If they enter an address that's already a member, it will tell them so. I'd double check the address in question. It's not uncommon for someone to have very similar addresses that only differ by one character, like JaneDoe and JaneDoe1. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Same Email in group as a pending member
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Re: orphaned group
Folks -- It's apparent that the opinions on this matter cannot be reconciled.
If you want something to happen, please take it to beta, where there are people who can do something about it ( https://beta.groups.io/g/main/ ). Locking this thread now. I hope you understand. Regards, Bruce Check out the groups.io Help Center and groups.io Owners Manual
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Re: orphaned group
txercoupemuseum.org
Please. The subject here is the ONGOING problem of "Orphaned Groups”, such groups presumably defined as no longer having a functional owner. I suggest we need to pivot and think in terms of JUSTIFIED requests and RELEVENT objections
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Those advocating for an Owner option to designate a successor “pre-need” have repeatedly explained their RELEVENT objection to the present necessity to create ANOTHER Owner who would then immediately have EQUAL power. Because of this clearly VALID concern certain Owners refuse, AS IS THEIR RIGHT, to appoint potentially challenging co-owners. Creating another concurrent and unneeded “Owner” is more likely to create a NEW PROBLEM, given the unpredictability of human nature, than to resolve the clear and present one. If an Owner WANTS another owner, they have that choice. No one is proposing to take that away. Until the above concern is meaningfully addressed, the mere passage of time will orphaned more groups. The status quo should be unacceptable because it is in NO ONE'S best interest(s). In this case, “good enough” is clearly NOT “good enough” for those with a dog in the fight. All the grumbling about unrelated and unsubstantiated “straw man” issues such as “complexity” or “trusting others” in no manner address or resolve this present and ongoing deficiency in available OWNER choices. If their “choice of members” could resolve it, no group would need moderators. In any debate, respect should be a “given”. To suggest or advocate within GMF that a current SOLE Owner has no NEED to designate a successor is disrespectful in the extreme. For others to ring the same bell repeatedly is to add insult to injury. Who guards the guardians here??? That should be wayyy above the pay grade of ANYONE in GMF or Groups.io. WRB —
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Re: orphaned group
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 06:11 AM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
When you refer to “…the guidelines…”, is this applicable only to the beta group or also to GMF?Those are the beta guidelines. GMF has it's own. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Re: orphaned group
txercoupemuseum.org
When you refer to “…the guidelines…”, is this applicable only to the beta group or also to GMF?
Mark says ""Avoid posting negative replies such as “I wouldn’t use this” or “I don’t see how that’d be useful” or “That would cause a mess,” etc., which are not helpful to anyone.” When you say: "I don't see any reason the existing mechanism doesn't or won't work.”, that’s not functionally different from the “I don’t see how that’d be useful” we are supposed to avoid. WRB —
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Re: orphaned group
Although "our" group will not be directly affected if this idea is implemented,
but the complexity of GROUPS.IO's software will become more complex to fix an issue most "owners" have already fixed by having two or more "co-owners".
Adding unnecessary complexity to anything rarely if ever is looked back on as a good decision.
Ken S.
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God
From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
[mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 7:19 PM To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io Subject: Re: [GMF] orphaned group
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 06:58 PM, Michael Pavan wrote: I still do not understand why anyone who would be unaffected should object. GMF is for discussion, so both sides are allowed (within reason.) I don't see any reason the existing mechanism doesn't or won't work. I brought groups over here from YG, but the original groups stayed there.
These aren't MY groups, they belong to the members. I just found a home for them, fortunately, well ahead of the loss of YG. I do know many groups that were brought over, but most, if not all, of them have got several owners/mods to carry on. (I can't think
of one off-hand that doesn't.)
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Re: orphaned group
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:33 PM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
Just curious: how many owners does GMF have?Three (3) owners plus one owner has a second email address, also as owner. Plus a few others as moderators with more limited functions. Frances -- Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.
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Re: orphaned group
Just curious: how many owners does GMF have?
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Re: orphaned group
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 06:58 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
I still do not understand why anyone who would be unaffected should object.GMF is for discussion, so both sides are allowed (within reason.) I don't see any reason the existing mechanism doesn't or won't work. I brought groups over here from YG, but the original groups stayed there. These aren't MY groups, they belong to the members. I just found a home for them, fortunately, well ahead of the loss of YG. I do know many groups that were brought over, but most, if not all, of them have got several owners/mods to carry on. (I can't think of one off-hand that doesn't.) My suggestion is for you (or anyone that feels the same) to make your suggestion on the beta group if you don't want any objections voiced. Mark has asked, and incorporated into the guidelines, "Avoid posting negative replies such as “I wouldn’t use this” or “I don’t see how that’d be useful” or “That would cause a mess,” etc., which are not helpful to anyone." He has also added, "include as much detail as possible that explains why you think the feature is needed or what problem it would solve" for suggestions, so a very detailed description is more apt to be noticed. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Re: orphaned group
txercoupemuseum.org
The “previous question” is irrelevant to the subject. Those with members in “common cause” are somewhat democratic. Those who must thrash a subject until truth (or it is "agreed to disagree”) emerges require stronger, wiser moderation.
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Push come to shove, I believe most groups here are possessions of a founder/manager. Common sense and clarity dictate one, and ONLY one individual speak with finality on behalf of each group, however determined and agreed between Groups.io and said individual. To have multiples (as in “equal super-moderators”) is to interject uncertainty into a relationship that should. Ideally, be free of such. An Owner is the singular “official” spokesman for a group. He/she brought the group here, and can take it elsewhere ion and when circumstances, in THEIR sole opinion, so warrant. This is why some of us strongly believe it in the best MUTUAL interests of BOTH Groups.io (i.e. Mark Fletcher) AND said owner to have a succession option. Best! WRB —
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