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Re: ReViving a ListName

Duane
 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 04:40 PM, Mark Irving wrote:
When a Groups.io group is deleted, its name is not released for a new group to use, at least not immediately.
Still true.  However, if that were the case, the error would say "not available" instead of "invalid name".

Duane
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Re: to the novices who want to move from yahoogroups to io-groups

Peter Cook
 

My tack was just to scroll all the way to the end of the list (it is, or at least was, an infinite scrolling list), then copy the whole thing, paste it into Excel, and use Data > Text to Columns to convert it to a table.

Pete


Re: to the novices who want to move from yahoogroups to io-groups

Duane
 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 04:39 PM, BMaverick wrote:
Yes, this will work for the 1st 1,000 members only.
Maybe.  Reports are that sometimes it will get all members, regardless of number, other times it won't even get 1,000.  Best to give it a shot to see what happens before trying the work arounds.

Duane
PS  Apologies to BMaverick for delaying the post.  We were checking to see if the limit was still in place.
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Re: ReViving a ListName

Mark Irving
 

This hint may be out of date, but it did seem to be relevant a year or so ago...

When a Groups.io group is deleted, its name is not released for a new group to use, at least not immediately. The hint recommended is, or was, to rename your group to a silly name just before deleting it. (A suggestion is to use a name generated by https://guidgenerator.com/ as wildly unlikely to be needed ever again.) If you need to take over a locked name, it may be necessary to ask Groups.io support to release it for you.

I hope this message is long obsolete. But bear it in mind in case it isn't.

 - Mark, Cambridgeshire, UK


Re: Problem with a maverick member #problem-member

Peter Cook
 

Good points. I was thinking in terms of the member still having some of the other members' email addresses after he's removed (from old posts), so he could still play the same trick.


Re: to the novices who want to move from yahoogroups to io-groups

BMaverick
 

Yes, this will work for the 1st 1,000 members only.  So, IF your group is below the 1,000 member limit, all is good.

IF your group is OVER the 1,000 member limit, do Ronaldo's method FIRST.  Next, list the members in REVERSE alphabetical order.  This would allow Z names at the top of the member list.  NOW, export this.  This will grab the next 1,000 members. 

IF your group is OVER 2,000 members, you will need to do some wild card type member searches and exporting to get every member. 

Wish Yah-oops made is easy, nope.


Re: handling SPAM #spam

Barry Porter KB1PA
 

My group is set to moderate all messages, and this was "caught" before it was posted to the members.
New members have their first 3 messages moderated. This message was from a new member, who is no
longer a member because they were removed for trying to send spam. It was just frustrating that this happened.
Thank you all!


Re: Problem with a maverick member #problem-member

Donald Hellen
 

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:17:21 -0700, "Peter Cook"
<peterscottcook@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems to me that the trick this member is using could be done even if he's not a member. So along with giving him the boot (which I would certainly do), you will probably need to send a notice to the members not to engage with him.
If you don't need to display your messages publicly, you can turn them
off so they don't play that trick with your group when they're no
longer a member.

Donald


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Re: ReViving a ListName

Christos G. Psarras
 

BillSF9c,

>>> Today I tried to create "ListName" which suddenly seems to fly, as the orevious owner stated shows todau - but ListName@groups.IO is unavailable.

Just in case you are not aware of it, it's only the name (email address) box that is checked, not the title box.

Now, certain things can take some time to refresh depending on setup, server load, traffic, etc, so give it some time.  In the meantime, to make sure that a group name you want to use is indeed unavailable, and not a problem of some internal DNS or database lack of refresh, try to go to the home page that group name will have (no matter the group's privacy/visibility settings, its home page is always visible to anyone in the net who knows the address)

So, if you want to use ListName@groups.io, try to go to https://groups.io/g/ListName 

1- If you get a GIO group home page, then indeed that name is taken.  You shouldn't get back an undeliverable message if you send email to ListName+owner@groups.io in this case (although I'm not sure what would happen if the owner's email address is dead itself, not sure if GIO will forward back to you as a reply the undeliverable report it would get back when it tries to forward your message to the owner)
2 - If not, then it's a refresh issue, give it a bit more time.  

Let us know how it goes, as if it is due to a refresh and the problem persists, we would need to report it as a bug.
 
Cheers,
Christos


Re: Problem with a maverick member #problem-member

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 06:11 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
And FWIW we have already set this problem member's ssubscription to 'No Email - Web Only' and to 'Override: not allowed to post'.
Don't forget that he can change his email delivery back again.

As I said earlier once he is banned he will not receive group emails, i.e. other member's posts. There will therefore be nothing he can reply to.

I can see no reason whatsoever why he should not be banned now. Once that has been done then if there is a residual problem then a workaround for that can be investigated.

Have you got any sort of reason for not banning him?

Chris


Re: handling SPAM #spam

Peter Cook
 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Larry Finch wrote:
your group should be configured to reject all posts from non-members
All of my groups are configured this way, and I haven't seen a single piece of spam come through, ever.


Re: Problem with a maverick member #problem-member

Peter Cook
 

Since there is essentially no way to stop this behavior, an option is to put the group on moderation for some period of time so you can reject any messages that people reply-all to. Hopefully this person will get bored and stop.

Pete


Re: Problem with a maverick member #problem-member

Epicatt2
 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 07:10 AM, Chris Jones wrote:


. . . if he replies to members direct then those don't go through Groups.io so I
cannot see what Mark could do.
== ==
The thing is that when our problem member replies to an unsuspecting group member the problem member also CCs our group and when the unsuspecting member notices that that in the header the member thinks it is a post made to the group so when that member replies to our group and does not strip out the previous message (a well-known and chronic problem with emailers) then the problem member's text gets posted (via that piggybacking) to the group.

And while we agree that banning this problem member should be done post haste even if the problem member is banned some of his posts are still getting onto our group through this sneaky piggybacking workaround. So apart from banning this problem member we are unsure how to inturrupt this problem member's sneaky workaround. (And FWIW we have already set this problem member's ssubscription to 'No Email - Web Only' and to 'Override: not allowed to post'.)

Regards,

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
==


to the novices who want to move from yahoogroups to io-groups

ro-esp
 

I just figured this out yesterday..

Go to your yahoogroup, the one you moderate.

click management > manage members > action > export

( CSV or TSV ?)

click the list of emails and hit ctrl & C


Go to your io-group. Click "invite". hit ctrl & V

click "send invite"


groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


ReViving a ListName

billsf9c
 

What a tangled web...

A revered list of 2000 unwisely decided to continue w YahOops as an emailing system. I and others want to lure them here but have 18 members joining a hastily created google replacement. The owner is already unhappy but that's no guarentee.

A member made a replacement and dumped it to release it months ago.
It has told me, "Unavailable," despite 'not existing.' This is confirmed by a returned letter sent to the +owner. The list does not exist.

Suspecting who, I wrote, he confirms, and said it doesn't say Unavailable, now... today. Perhaps my efforts triggered a database refresh??? He gave me his release to use it FWIW, in case needed.

With the name unavailable, I used ListNameII (2) as is often done. I wanted the rightful owner to join and look behind the curtains to see semi-famimiar controls and complete options of IO, with plans to let him assume complete control... but promised to clarify the mystery and secure the original name if at all possible.  This is URGENT.

I erred perhaps. Today I tried to create "ListName" which suddenly seems to fly, as the orevious owner stated shows todau - but ListName@groups.IO is unavailable. I had used ListNameII for the group I sucessfully made but ListName@ for the email address for familiarity. Darn...!

So now I seemingly COULD make ListName group but cannot use ListName@ for email.

I changed the group email I made to ListNameII, to match. But ListName@ is not available.

Will the database correct this overnight during refresh?
Or will this be months, again?

Months would potentially ruin this effort. One month in fact would as YahOops goes away Dec 15 and folks are antsy. Once bitten - twice shy. Complacent in their past, urgency now...

BillSF9c


Re: Problem with a maverick member #problem-member

Peter Cook
 

Seems to me that the trick this member is using could be done even if he's not a member. So along with giving him the boot (which I would certainly do), you will probably need to send a notice to the members not to engage with him.


Re: handling SPAM #spam

Duane
 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 09:39 AM, Larry Finch wrote:
But your group should be configured to reject all posts from non-members
Even if the group allows messages from non-members, they always go into moderation.  Once there, there's a button that can be used to Ban that address while reviewing the message.  If you know of email addresses that are known spammers, you can pre-Ban the address in the Members section using the Banned view.  See https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-members/banning-and-unbanning-members

Duane
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Re: handling SPAM #spam

Larry Finch
 



On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 9:38 AM Barry Porter KB1PA <kb1pa@...> wrote:
My group received a spam message from a non member. How should I handle it? I would like to have that address
added to a "spam" list and the email banned.

Barry Porter


Most likely you will never receive another spam message from that email address, so there wouldn't be much point in banning it. But your group should be configured to reject all posts from non-members, which would be a better solution. You should also configure it to set all new subscribers to moderated to catch the join-and-spam lowlifes.

Larry

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Re: Problem with a maverick member #problem-member

KWKloeber
 

Why put up with any of that behavior?
warn
moderate
warn
gone. 


tough love for your sake and members’ sake who don’t need that going on. 


handling SPAM #spam

Barry Porter KB1PA
 

My group received a spam message from a non member. How should I handle it? I would like to have that address
added to a "spam" list and the email banned.

Barry Porter

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