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Re: Is there a setting to stop rampant piggybacking?

ro-esp
 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 05:23 PM, Christie Jelen wrote:


Meanwhile Duane, if they continue to do it -- start sending them copies of the
digest to their private email so they can SEE why they need to edit.
Like I just said, that won't work in groups.io , as the system automatically removes everything below the last unindented line before putting a message into a digest

ĝis, Ronaldo


Re: Is there a setting to stop rampant piggybacking?

ro-esp
 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Epicatt2 wrote:

Try as we might to encourage them not to do so there are many of our group's
members who reply via email but never remove the text of the message that are
replying to. This leads to a cluttered look for topics to which there are
many replies which tend to collect a hierarchy of copied previous post texts.
[ sigh ]

Is there any setting with a premium group that will strip out the headers and
previous message text when they follow the new message in a reply?
Not that I know of. The autotrim-feature unfortunately is available (in fact: standard) only in digests. I think it also is an option in googlegroups

In my groups, top-posting/TOFU is against the rules, as it was in usenet. Unfortunately the corporate world seems to prescribe topposting....

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo



I've been unable to find a way to do this so it may not exist.

Regards,

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
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Re: Groups io downgraded me before expiration

Christopher Warrington
 

On 2020-10-02 3:13 PM, J Forster wrote:

What happens if the card of record is no longer valid? A card is not forever. Does this trigger an automatic downgrade, an email notice, or what?
About two months before the credit card expires, you will receive a
message from support@groups.io the following. This is assuming nothing
has changed in the two months since I got mine.

Just a friendly reminder that the credit card on your Groups.io account is about to expire. Please take a moment to update your card here:
https://groups.io/account?page=billing
--
Christopher Warrington


Re: Is there a setting to stop rampant piggybacking?

Tommy Meehan
 

One group I manage -- the official message board of a 501(c)(3) -- was set to all-moderated almost twenty years ago due to posters failing to trim replies. We quickly gave up trying to appeal to them. It just doesn't work. Now everyone is moderated and we trim their messages for them.

Lately we have a new one. Members replying to a thread with a message about another, second (and unrelated) thread. Example would be:

Subject: Re: GDP drops in third quarter.
Text - I had that same problem ordering airline tickets in advance.

But it's a moderated group. We just edit the subject -- . Subject: Re: Best time to make airline reservations -- and approve the message.

tommy0421


Re: Can the Photo section be have a sub directory with a its own group of photo albums?

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 08:16 PM, Ld Bonnie wrote:
The purpose of the albums is to demonstrate the capabilities of each camera model and for people to make comparisons. In this case the new section would be under a moderators control. Mallincam makes about twenty different camera models. We will make one Album for each model.
Aha! From what you have now said I think I can see an immediate solution to this. What you have just described would not work without further "changes" because photo albums cannot be split between those to which Members can upload and those to which only Moderators can upload.

You seem to be proposing a sort of "Reference Photos" collection. Would it be worth your considering setting up a sub - group to your entire group, rather then requesting a rework of the way albums currently work? You could easily call it Mallincam Reference Sub-Group or something of the sort; you then have the photo albums in that sub - group set up to be Moderators only.

Chris


Re: Is there a setting to stop rampant piggybacking?

Glenn Glazer
 

A few points:

1) I agree with others that there isn't a technical solution to this.
2) It should be pointed out that most mobile email clients top post and do not provide an easy option to do otherwise. It is also the default for the Gmail BUI.
3) Top-posting is widely accepted and preferred in some communities and the same for bottom posting. Both have pros and cons and I found generally that it is not helpful to assert preference as fact.
4) In the groups that I admin, I advocate for what I call per thread consistency. The first reply sets the rule: if the first response is a bottom post, please continue that way, same for top posting. Because to me, the real mess only starts when someone top posts to a bottom posted reply or vice-versa.

Best,

Glenn

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Re: Messages not being sent

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 08:16 PM, Jason wrote:
Yes the subscribers in question who are not able to send messages are on the list
And are they flagged as "NC" or not, and what does your Activity log report? Answers to those questions might help point us in the right direction.

Chris.


Re: Is there a setting to stop rampant piggybacking?

Matt Wirkkala
 

I agree with you, Nivard. For example, PINE and SquirrelMail have always been top-posting.

Matt Wirkkala (mwirkk), Seattle


Re: email addresses in posts

June Genis
 

Right now the copy I received and the archive message both have the embedded email address truncated.  I have not yet changed the option that was suggested previously because it only referred to the archive and I'm not sure if that will also solve the problem in the copy sent to members.  Since the list and the functionality it provides is new for us I've decided to seek input from the membership on how they think the options should be set.


On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 1:02 PM Frances <frances@...> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 03:18 PM, Frances wrote:
If someone is using plain text digest, they may have a problem. I never use plain text and did not test it.
Just test plain text digest. Again, no problem seeing the full email address in the body of the post when I read it in my email program. I am using Apple Mail. I also looked at my Gmail subscriptions to my test site, and no problem there either.

It is just in the message archive you can't see the full email address.

Frances
 
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Re: email addresses in posts

Frances
 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 03:18 PM, Frances wrote:
If someone is using plain text digest, they may have a problem. I never use plain text and did not test it.
Just test plain text digest. Again, no problem seeing the full email address in the body of the post when I read it in my email program. I am using Apple Mail. I also looked at my Gmail subscriptions to my test site, and no problem there either.

It is just in the message archive you can't see the full email address.

Frances
 
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Re: Special notices

John Pearce
 

How do you get those statistics?


Re: email addresses in posts

Frances
 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 02:11 PM, June Genis wrote:
I noticed that a member recently tried to provide contact information for someone of potential interest to group members but groups.io edited out the portion of the email address after @.
June, I find the scenario you mention puzzling.
Is it that someone wanted to say that you can email Joe Blow about squirrels at j.blow@...?
I tested it and it works fine - in my individual email send to me and to full featured digest.
It doesn't display online in my message archive properly though - just up to the at symbol. Just in the email from my group.

If someone is using plain text digest, they may have a problem. I never use plain text and did not test it.
See https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/controlling-your-email-subscription-preferences/email-delivery

See also  https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/additional-information/understanding-message-digests

Frances

 
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Re: email addresses in posts

Nivard Ovington
 

But as far as I can see it shouldn't matter

"Note: When an archive is publicly viewable, email addresses are always hidden from nonmembers who view the archive."

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 03/10/2020 19:16, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Yes, clear the "Mask email addresses in archive" setting, but I personally wouldn't do that if your group's messages/archive is public.
Cheers,
Christos


Re: Can the Photo section be have a sub directory with a its own group of photo albums?

Ld Bonnie
 

The owner is paying for the account but I never asked how much, or how much space we have.

The new Photo section I would like to create is for a specific group of albums, each album will contain a number of photo examples of one camera model.
The purpose of the albums is to demonstrate the capabilities of each camera model and for people to make comparisons. In this case the new section would be under a moderators control. Mallincam makes about twenty different camera models. We will make one Album for each model.

Our main Photo section will continue along as it always has unless we can agree on some sort of standardization of the albums titles and information. Then to convince the group to use them.  That may prove to be "interesting."

Lorence


Re: Messages not being sent

Jason <jason.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. I am sorry if you mis understood my last message. Yes the subscribers in question who are not able to send messages are on the list, and yes they are sending messages under the email addreses they subscribed under.

 

 

 

From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io <GroupManagersForum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Jones via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 2:28 PM
To: GroupManagersForum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GMF] Messages not being sent

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 05:25 PM, Jason wrote:

some of my members are not able to either subscribe to my list or post messages to the list.

I have to admit that I am baffled, not so much by the possibility of a problem but by your description of it.

Firstly your members are not able to either subscribe to my list; if they are members then they are by definition subscribed and vice versa. Do you perhaps mean "members of some other organisation"?

Secondly some of my members are not able to <snip> post messages to the list. If they are indeed members then on the face of it there should be nothing stopping them... except...

How are they trying to post? Using the web UI or by email? If the latter then are they using the email address with which they have set up their Groups.io Accounts. If they use a different sending address then (unless it is set up as an Alias) their posts won't get through.

Suggestion 1: check your Members List. (Not the Member Directory) Are the people who think they are members, or who you think are members on it? If not then they aren't members.

Suggestion 2: Have any on your Members List got a coloured "flag" with NC in it? If so they have not confirmed their application with Groups.io (as opposed to you). They must respond to the Confirmation Email sent to them by Groups.io. If needs be you may have to send them another one; this can be done from each member's individual "membership" page - AFAIK it cannot be done in "bulk".

Suggestion 3: check your Activity Log (accessed by Admin > Activity) and see if attempted posts are present but rejected as being sent from a non - member address.

Suggestion 4: check your Pending Members list to see if any applications are languishing there.

Try the above and see what you can establish, and then come back here with your findings.

Chris


Re: email addresses in posts

Christos G. Psarras
 

Yes, clear the "Mask email addresses in archive" setting, but I personally wouldn't do that if your group's messages/archive is public.

Cheers,
Christos


email addresses in posts

June Genis
 

I noticed that a member recently tried to provide contact information for someone of potential interest to group members but groups.io edited out the portion of the email address after @.  I know there is a way to get around this type of problem by using " AT " instead of "@"  but I'm wondering if I have the option to allow unedited addresses to appear in postings. TIn this case the post was unmodified so I never saw the editing until I got my copy.

June


Re: Is there a setting to stop rampant piggybacking?

 


On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 03:59 AM, Epicatt2 wrote:
Is there any setting with a premium group that will strip out the headers and previous message text when they follow the new message in a reply?
Duane -- I try to use humor to help my subscribers edit.  I call myself the "editing police" and offer to give private tutorials to subscribers who break this rule.
Honestly, some of these folks do not understand HOW TO EDIT.  They hit reply and think they are tech geniuses.   They need education. And don't get me started about changing the subject line when you change the subject...

Here is what I put in the GROUP DESCRIPTION that arrives every month in the monthly reminder:

Group Description

We are XXXXX who want a list where members edit their messages -- the only requirement to stay on this list is that you edit your replies.
We love our list -- and we know how to edit messages so that we can easily read it in digest format.


Meanwhile Duane, if they continue to do it -- start sending them copies of the digest to their private email so they can SEE why they need to edit.
I love the Digest but it is horrible when 60 members all just hit reply and make the digest repeat, repeat, repeat.

Good luck
Christie in Mexico City


Re: Is there a setting to stop rampant piggybacking?

KWKloeber
 

Warn
moderate
reject
warn about removal
suspend for X days (weeks?) (months?)
banish them. 

if you don’t want the headache, take steps to ease the pain, but it recurs eventually remove the source. 


Re: Groups io downgraded me before expiration

Peter Cook
 

Can you see it on the web from a computer?

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