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QUESTION - group message links

Ellen Bourne
 

Is there away to block the groups distribution list link from being copied.

This is to prevent someone who is receiving emails to copy it and email the group at a latter time but not block the member.  

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Re: unintentionally posting to the whole group

Jim Avera
 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 01:24 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
So if he clicked on "reply to group" (instead of using the reply function of his email client) this would happen.
It could be that he simply hit his mail program's "reply to all" button (not any of the links provided by groups.io).  Either out of habit, or thinking that it was a private conversation and wanting to include anyone else in the "private" loop.

The underlying problem is that messages from groups.io are sent with headers which make MUAs (mail readers) "help" by including the group-post address in their built-in "reply to all" function.   This happens EVEN IF the group is configured to only offer "Reply to Sender" and "No Other Options", so there is no "reply to group" link provided by groups.io in the message.

There's an open bug in beta.groups.io about this.  Mark tried removing some headers which seemed likely to be causing this, but that didn't work.

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25121


Hiding main group and subgroup info on home page

Dan Halbert
 

Is it possible to hide the names of the main group and member-visible subgroups on the home page to the public?
By "public" I mean someone not logged in or not a member of the main group.

There are two things I want to do:

1. Make https://somesubdomain.groups.io not show the name of the main group and its various email addresses to public viewers. These seem like just an invitation to be a nuisance.

2. Hide home page subgroup listing for the public viewers, but make subgroup list visible to main group viewers.

I know I can make the subgroup invisible to non-subgroup members, which would remove it from the 2. list (I think), but I don't want to do that, because it also makes the messages inaccessible to non-subgroup members, which I don't necessarily want to do for main-group but not-subgroup members.

Thanks,
Dan


Re: Group Owner Email "Sent" folder? #email

Karin Beil
 

Thank you for your responses. I would like to see the feature added in the future. For now, I will try Bcc: to me.
Karin


Re: Is there a group where troublemakers are listed?

Nivard Ovington
 

Not only disturbing, but rather pointless

Any would be trouble maker has only to use a false name and a throwaway address and the black list is bypassed

I don't know how many trouble makers others have had but I can count them on one hand in many years

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 17/07/2020 13:54, Bruce Bowman wrote:
To be honest, I find the very notion of group owners getting together to create a joint subscriber blacklist to be just a little disturbing.
Surely this is something we can take care of on a case-by-case basis.
Regards,
Bruce


Re: Is there a group where troublemakers are listed?

Bruce Bowman
 

To be honest, I find the very notion of group owners getting together to create a joint subscriber blacklist to be just a little disturbing.

Surely this is something we can take care of on a case-by-case basis.

Regards,
Bruce

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Re: Is there a group where troublemakers are listed?

Jan van Heiningen
 

And how many of these "troublemakers"do you get, really, on an annual basis?  I agree the nature of a certain person could cause repeat behaviour, but is one person also a member of that many different groups or is it just an ïsolated outbreak:you can handlel locally". ? 

With very best regerds 

Jan ,  

Op vr 17 jul. 2020 om 10:25 schreef W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...>:

There's a problem - consider this - ham radio operators and genealogists are two different groups.  Genealogists have many lists and there's one group of listowners including me, we will get in touch with each other real fast to review what necessary actions to take ourselves. Apart from the scammers and spammers.

David Samuelsen

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 5:51 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 06:30 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
I thought I've seen mentioned here that there is at least one group
where bad actors are listed so other group owners could check a
pending member against the list before approving the membership. Is
there one?
I'm not aware of one.  Any list like that would be personal opinion, so I wouldn't trust it much.  It may be wrong or someone with a personal vendetta.

We have mentioned scammers and spammers here, but only after the situation has been verified by Mark.  I understand he's doing a lot more monitoring of some things now, so those situations don't come up much any more.

Duane
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Re: Is there a group where troublemakers are listed?

W David Samuelsen
 

There's a problem - consider this - ham radio operators and genealogists are two different groups.  Genealogists have many lists and there's one group of listowners including me, we will get in touch with each other real fast to review what necessary actions to take ourselves. Apart from the scammers and spammers.

David Samuelsen

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 5:51 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 06:30 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
I thought I've seen mentioned here that there is at least one group
where bad actors are listed so other group owners could check a
pending member against the list before approving the membership. Is
there one?
I'm not aware of one.  Any list like that would be personal opinion, so I wouldn't trust it much.  It may be wrong or someone with a personal vendetta.

We have mentioned scammers and spammers here, but only after the situation has been verified by Mark.  I understand he's doing a lot more monitoring of some things now, so those situations don't come up much any more.

Duane
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Re: EMAIL DID NOT GO THROUGH

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:58 AM, Ellen Bourne wrote:
One of the members sent an email around 12:08 pm this afternoon and again at 6:38 pm both of the emails never were sent or received by the group.
Is / was there an issue?
A common issue is that the person sent the email to Groups.io from an address they are not subscribed with. As Duane said, the Activity Log is a good place to start checking. In particular, look for messages like:

Non-member <email-address> attempted to send message "<message-subject>" via email

If a person has a need to send a message from a different address, they should define an alias for their account. Details are given in the Member's Manual for this.

Andy


Re: Downloading Calendar Event Issue #calendar

Chuck Palmer
 

@Duane -- do you think I should have created a new topic in the beta forum rather than tagging on to that other one about ics files?  I just noticed it has a hashtag of "#fixed".


Re: EMAIL DID NOT GO THROUGH

Duane
 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 06:58 PM, Ellen Bourne wrote:
both of the emails never were sent or received by the group
If they don't show up in the Activity Log for that group, they weren't received by groups.io  Likely a problem with that person's email service.

Duane
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EMAIL DID NOT GO THROUGH

Ellen Bourne
 

One of the members sent an email around 12:08 pm this afternoon and again at 6:38 pm both of the emails never were sent or received by the group.
Is / was there an issue?

I emailed it out and a few moments ago and it went and was received by the group.


Re: Is there a group where troublemakers are listed?

Duane
 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 06:30 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
I thought I've seen mentioned here that there is at least one group
where bad actors are listed so other group owners could check a
pending member against the list before approving the membership. Is
there one?
I'm not aware of one.  Any list like that would be personal opinion, so I wouldn't trust it much.  It may be wrong or someone with a personal vendetta.

We have mentioned scammers and spammers here, but only after the situation has been verified by Mark.  I understand he's doing a lot more monitoring of some things now, so those situations don't come up much any more.

Duane
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Is there a group where troublemakers are listed?

Donald Hellen
 

We had a member start berating someone else and we had to put him on
moderation. After some discussion, and based on his angry reply to our
post to the membership about treating others kindly, we banned him ,
which was also based on his actions in another group I belong to where
he was also banned. I subsequently banned him in my other ham radio
groups.

I thought I've seen mentioned here that there is at least one group
where bad actors are listed so other group owners could check a
pending member against the list before approving the membership. Is
there one?

Or are these groups unreliable or unvetted? I'm not going to take a
list of people and just ban them ahead of time.

Thanks!

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP


Re: Erroneous "Message approval needed" notifications #messages #moderation

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 06:18 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
First, a question. Do you have other moderators who might be approving
the message before you get to it?
Michele -- I agree with Donald...check the activity log to see if someone else approved it.

These notification settings can be modified by clicking on "Subscription" on the left-side menu bar and updating the entries in the "Moderator Notifications" section on the resulting page.

If you're the only moderator/owner, then it sounds like a bug.
Well, maybe. It's possible that at least some of them were in NMM status and the approval of the pending message by another Moderator/Owner turned that off.

To see how many posts they've made, open that person's member record and click the Activity History button.

Regards,
Bruce

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Re: Erroneous "Message approval needed" notifications #messages #moderation

Donald Hellen
 

Michele . . .

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:48:18 -0700, "MicheleR" <mrothen2@twcny.rr.com>
wrote:

So it looks like their posting permissions are being applied accurately (their messages are being sent on) but for some reason I'm erroneously being informed that they need to be approved.
First, a question. Do you have other moderators who might be approving
the message before you get to it?

If you're the only moderator/owner, then it sounds like a bug. I think
you can turn off the notification but then you wouldn't know when
there are pending posts that need moderated unless you check
periodically.

Donald


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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
https://groups.io/g/HamRadioHelp https://groups.io/g/Baofeng
https://groups.io/g/CHIRP


Erroneous "Message approval needed" notifications #messages #moderation

MicheleR
 

As moderator, I keep getting "Message approval needed" notifications for posts from members who are NOT moderated -- that is, they have permission to post and their posts should not need approval.  And when I go to the pending messages area, there are no messages there to approve.  So it looks like their posting permissions are being applied accurately (their messages are being sent on) but for some reason I'm erroneously being informed that they need to be approved.

Is this a bug, or is this something I can turn off somewhere?


Re: unintentionally posting to the whole group

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:36 PM, BarryS wrote:
This has happened a couple of times lately. Someone in the group ‘forwards’ a post on our list to another member of the group, with their own private comment. The recipient ‘replies’, assuming they are replying exclusively to the sender, only to find that their reply has gone to the whole group.
Barry -- I suspect the second person (the one who received the forwarded message) didn't realize that the forward was private...after all, it contained all the group footer links, and did not have "Private:" in the subject line. 

So if he clicked on "reply to group" (instead of using the reply function of his email client) this would happen. 

They did not consider the option of using the ‘Reply to Sender’ link, as it appeared to have come from just one person.
That wouldn't have worked, either. If he clicked on "Reply to Sender," it would have gone to the person who posted the original message, not the person who forwarded it with a comment..

You asked a similar question back in January (ref:  https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/69470848#27387) and it ended up that the message had been cross-posted to another (non-groups.io) group. If I were you, I'd seriously consider shutting down one of these groups. As long as you continue to manage two groups with members in common all discussing the same topics, confusion can be expected to reign.
 
Regards,
Bruce

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Re: Sent messages folder?

Peter Cook
 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 01:52 PM, Karin Beil wrote:
a folder of the messages I send privately to members of my group
There isn't one. There was a discussion of this recently here that might give you some insight - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/32485 

Pete


Sent messages folder?

Karin Beil
 

I’m looking for a folder of the messages I send privately to members of my group. Is there a sent messages folder? If so, I can’t find it.

Thank you!
Karin
Owner & Manager of a group for dog volunteers at a shelter

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