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External #images in messages #images

Tom H
 
Edited

Edit 2020-03-08: Don't click on the image or the extracted hyperlink; it goes to a trashy, intermediate page instead of the image file- read #7 or #8 for more b/g.
Can you see the image immediately below? It's hosted externally. The HTML code for it was created by the host so I simply pasted it into the Source Code for this message, created in the gio online message editor.

SQLite-Tools-For-Roots-Magic-square

My questions/observations are:

  1. Why is there is no UI to insert an image by URL if it is possible to do so manually?

  2. I assume that mail clients receiving this groups.io message have to support HTML in order for the image to appear inline.

  3. What does a non-HTML mail client get for an externally referenced image file? The URL of the file?

  4. Can a message from an HTML mail client that has external images be passed through groups.io faithfully?

  5. The upside of hosting images externally is 0 impact on the groups.io group storage and, possibly, some steps saved in retrieving an external file, processing it for reduced file size and uploading at the expense of a little editing. Another might be that they don't count against groups.io or mail server limits on message size.

  6. What are the downsides?

FYI, the host is postimages.org.

Tom

Re: Can a moderator set the hashtag of a post by use of a list of keywords in the subject and/or body of the post? #question

Duane
 

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 08:54 AM, Harry Forsdick wrote:
I would like to automatically set the hashtag for a topic based on a list of keywords in the subject line and/or the body of a post.

Can this be done currently?

If not, can this be added to the list of ideas for improvements?
No, hashtags have to be added manually.  I seem to remember that something similar was requested in the past, but you'd need to search the beta group to find it.  If it's not there, that's where you'd make a suggestion.

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Can a moderator set the hashtag of a post by use of a list of keywords in the subject and/or body of the post? #question

Harry Forsdick <harry@...>
 

I would like to automatically set the hashtag for a topic based on a list of keywords in the subject line and/or the body of a post.

Can this be done currently?

If not, can this be added to the list of ideas for improvements?

Thanks,

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Re: [email delivery] #question

Duane
 

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 05:49 AM, JerryW wrote:
Is there any way to get a weekly digest instead of a daily one?
No.  At one time, the digest was 25 messages, but that caused problems with some email services/clients, so it was reduced to 12.  But even then a digest was sent at least once per day if there were any messages posted.  I don't recall anyone ever asking for that, but you could search the beta group to see if you can find anything.

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[email delivery] #question

 

Hi
Is there any way to get a weekly digest instead of a daily one?

I could not find one and for certain groups, the option to have a less-than-daily update would be helpful. If the group is a busy one it could be sent every 30 or so messages perhaps. I though I would enquire here, before bothering the beta forum with a suggestion, in case the subject has come up before or there is already some way to do it I haven't spotted..

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Re: Trouble Accessing Group

Ginger Iorizzo
 


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:51 AM, Ginger Iorizzo wrote:
I have a member who is unable to get into our group's page.  Here's what she told me:
 
"I clicked on my subscription. It asked for my name & password which I put in but it said I didn’t have a group.io number or something like that. They gave me a password which was 19 numbers long but I did that and still said they don’t know me."
 
I asked her to check if she is subscribed under a different e-mail address.  Any other ideas?
 
Thanks everyone for the replies. I e-mailed her to clarify if she used her correct e-mail to try to log in, but she has not answered me. I’m afraid she’s not very computer savvy, and unless she answers me, I don’t think there’s much else I can do at this point. 
She is definitely a member of the group. 
We are not a premium group and did not do a transfer from Yahoo groups. Myself and my co-owner invited all the members of our Yahoo group to join our new Groups.io group when Yahoo started eliminating all the group content. 

Ginger

Re: Establishing "sticky" posts for the top of the email database? #archive

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:37 AM, Roger Diggle wrote:
I haven't found anything about how to establish a "sticky" post
Go to the topic, click the More menu, select Make Sticky - done.  Later you can use the More menu to Unstick.

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Establishing "sticky" posts for the top of the email database? #archive

Roger Diggle
 

I haven't found anything about how to establish a "sticky" post (or two or three) at the top of the message database. It appears that there is one at the top of this forum's email database - so I presume it's do-able. Where are instructions?

Thanks in advance!

Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

The Review Crew
 

Another drawback to FB groups is that content AND THE GROUP ITSELF is subject to deletion by FB without notice. Also, the group admin can be blocked from posting without notice if a member complains to FB about something.
 
I used Yahoo groups for years, and am fairly new to io, but I think this platform seems superior in every way.
 
Kimberlee

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:41 AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@...> wrote:

re the downsides of facebook

to add to what has already been said, someone can take exception to an
individual or group and end up having them blocked or banned

facebook do not look into if it was a malicious reporting and getting
your log in back can be impossible

I have never heard of BAND

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Glenn Glazer
 

On 3/6/2020 08:38, Marv Waschke wrote:
A fundamental advantage of groups.io is Mark Fletcher's straight forward business plan. He makes his living from premium subscriptions, not selling advertising or data. For me, a service with a transparent business plan that does not monetize itself through background activities buried in its Terms of Service is a breath of fresh air.
I observe that gio seems especially well suited to discussion and information sharing among members with a modicum of mutual trust. Gio is not a good platform for groups who want or need to be anonymous to other members.
Marv

To your first point, I could not agree more. To the second, anonymity could be arranged by creating a new email account (e.g., through gmail) and subscribing to the list via that.  I have an alias that I use in a particular community and I only use that gmail address for those activities. Nobody there knows who I actually am.

Best,

Glenn

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Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Marv Waschke
 

A fundamental advantage of groups.io is Mark Fletcher's straight forward business plan. He makes his living from premium subscriptions, not selling advertising or data. For me, a service with a transparent business plan that does not monetize itself through background activities buried in its Terms of Service is a breath of fresh air.
I observe that gio seems especially well suited to discussion and information sharing among members with a modicum of mutual trust. Gio is not a good platform for groups who want or need to be anonymous to other members.
Marv

Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

 

Dan,

comparing group sites, different folks set different priorities. And for me the following were the most important ones:

1. The possibility to store enormous amounts of information in files and databases in an orderly and systematic manner
2. The search function - finds subjects, members, messages
3. The systematic archiving of messages and the possibility to retrieve them at any time
4. Data security - no tracking, no collecting of data
5. No harassment by advertising
6. A continuous improvement of functions in exchange with the provider

There are innumerous more features I really appreciate about GIO, and for me it Is the best group site in the world, and I really took a good look before I moved from yahoo to GIO. I really liked yahoo as well, because it had some features like the first one I mentioned which other group sites don´t have. In some regards yahoo set standards which most former yahoo group owners seem to expect from GIO, and Mark, the provider, is working hard to comply.

What I really consider a drawback with GIO is the fact that it isn´t international like Yahoo was. Hopefully it will become multilingual one day.
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Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Dan Dudley
 

Thank you Duane, Your input it is most appreciated! We are a small (but venerable) French and Indian War living history group, we've not got very much computer savvy amongst our older membership. We need something that replaces Yahoo, works with ease with as few unpleasant surprises as possible, groups.io seems to be it.
This forum has been such a pleasure to work with and the members are top shelf! Wish there was something I could do to reciprocate.
Thanks to all who responded to my request for support.
Dan 🙂

Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Duane
 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 06:11 PM, Dan Dudley wrote:
I've managed a Yahoo group site for a number of years, now we are exploring the possibility of using groups.io.

My task is to explain (to our group) why this is the best choice as opposed to Facebook and the BAND group platforms.
For those familiar with YG, pre-neo, GIO should be a good fit.  Some things are done differently, a few not at all, but the site is always changing, usually for the better.  Mark Fletcher, the site owner, is open to new features and improvements, as well as giving us feedback and updates on a regular basis.  Bugs are normally squashed in a day or two instead of weeks or months.  His originally stated goal was to make GIO the best groups site in the world.  Maybe a bit presumptuous, but certainly gaining a little every day.  I've been here with my groups a little over 5 years and have seen things grow tremendously - photos, databases, files, and a lot of small, but important, improvements.

I don't have (and never will) a FB account.  Too many security and privacy problems for me.  I was unaware of BAND, but it looks like an app which I couldn't use since I don't have a smart device that I'd be willing to use it on.

A couple of the seemingly lesser known selling points of GIO are that there is NO tracking and NO ads.  And sign up is a breeze compared to FB or YG, just enter an email address and confirm it.  In fact, sign up is so simple that some folks figure they must be missing something!

It should be obvious, but I'm a fan of GIO.  Yes, there are some things that I would like to see changed or improved, but I haven't found anything better (or even close any more.)

Duane
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Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Nivard Ovington
 

re the downsides of facebook

to add to what has already been said, someone can take exception to an individual or group and end up having them blocked or banned

facebook do not look into if it was a malicious reporting and getting your log in back can be impossible

I have never heard of BAND

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 06/03/2020 00:26, Frances wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Dan Dudley wrote:
My task is to explain (to our group) why this is the best choice as
opposed to Facebook and the BAND group platforms. Is there anyone
here that has done a study of the main advantages of groups.io
compared to the two other solutions mentioned?
My proposal is this coming Saturday morning, 3/07/2020.

Re: Yahoo transfer

Donald Hellen
 

Duane . . .

On Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:30:54 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>
wrote:

That was released a few weeks ago, http://www.personalgroupware.com/groups-io-migrate.htm
I didn't realize that. That must be why it's working so well. :-)

Hopefully anyone with a Yahoo group archive who wants to add those
messages to their group will use the new tool. I used a subgroup
that is shut off for posting and didn't allow anyone to join until all
the messages were posted. I set myself to nomail for the duration of
the upload.

Then I set the subgroup so anyone could join (members of a subgroup
have to be members of the parent group) so they can search past
messages.

Donald


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Re: Message revisions

Duane
 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 08:03 PM, Frances wrote:
Is this a new feature?
I think it's been there as long as the Edit Message function has been.  A long time any way. ;>)

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Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Dan Dudley
 

 BAND Groups is not based in the USA, it is owned by a private company in Korea. They have a very extensive contract including a disclaimer that they reserve the right to delete any of our content at their will. Being that they are not in the USA & have extremely limited customer service capabilities, I do not recommend this one no matter what small advantages they may have.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_(software)

Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Glenn Glazer
 
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On 3/5/2020 15:43, Dan Dudley wrote:
Hello, I've managed a Yahoo group site for a number of years, now we are exploring the possibility of using groups.io.

My task is to explain (to our group) why this is the best choice as opposed to Facebook and the BAND group platforms. Is there anyone here that has done a study of the main advantages of groups.io compared to the two other solutions mentioned?

My proposal is this coming Saturday morning, 3/07/2020.

Thanks!
Dan Dudley, Roger's Rangers, Inc.
www.rogersrangers.org

I know nothing of BAND, but I do manage several Facebook groups.

The main advantage to Facebook is the ease of inviting other Facebook members to the group and that Facebook is more visual in that in lends itself more to images, videos and weblinks. If I post a URL here, you will see just the URL. If I post it on Facebook, they will automatically unfurl a preview.

In every other way, groups.io is superior.

Best,

Glenn

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Re: Comparison to FB & BAND groups

Steve Hayes
 

On 5 Mar 2020 at 15:43, Dan Dudley wrote:

My task is to explain (to our group) why this is the best choice as opposed to
Facebook and the BAND group platforms. Is there anyone here that has done a
study of the main advantages of groups.io compared to the two other solutions
mentioned?
Quite a long time ago some members of a newsgroup, rec.arts.books decided to
migrate to Facebook. Newsgroups are not the same as mailing lists, as the
method of transport is slightly different, and they don't have subscribers --
anyone can find them and post in them.

The result of the migration was that both died. The newsgroup died because
some of its best members were no longer there, while the Facebook group died
because of the nature of Facebook. In Facebook you only see the messages that
Facebook wants to show you according to its algorithms, and so you can miss
important discussions. It also depends on the nature of your group and what
people are communicating about. If you don't mind seeing a random selection
of messages and relies, chosen be Facebook, then it shouldn't be a problem.
But if you ever want to refer to them again, you can search for hours and
never find them.

I have moved a couple of genealogy forums from Yahoo to groups.io, and a
couple from Rootsweb, a genealogy list server that closed a few days ago.
Some of them have equivalent Facebook groups, and the same thing applies.
Serious genealogists use mailing lists, because there are archive, and you
can keep copies of important messages on your own computer to refer to later
-- I have some going back to 1999 and even earlier.

In genealogy people often ask about a particular person or family, and
sometimes you can come across information that will help them years later. On
Facebook the chances of their seeing it would be virtually nil. In a mailing
list they are somewhat greater, and you can also e-mail them directly,
provided their e-mail address hasn't changed in the mean time. I have done
that quite often, and others have done it for me.

So a lot depends on the nature of your group, and what you discuss.

I know nothing about BAND groups -- this is the first I have heard of them.
What are they?



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