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Re: Trimming Posts - Could someone explain how? #askmembers

Bill Hazel
 

Rubens,
Sounds like you are doing a lot more work than I am. I don't think I'm including any extra text, I've never seen any in my replies and doubt I'll see any here.
I have no idea how to Quote text other than go to the message I'm quoting and then copy/paste it. Never see the indented verbiage with the vertical bar.

Just to be clear:
The only thing I did with this reply is click on the "Reply" link at the bottom of your message, type this message, and click "Reply to Group" button.

Re: Trimming Posts - Could someone explain how? #askmembers

Bob Schrempp
 

Bill, all it means is to go down into the original message a remove the excess parts.

In this message I clicked with my mouse at the bottom and removed the footer from your original message. I also removed a bunch of the message. This is your how to.

Select the excess text or part of the message that is not relevant and press the delete key.


Bob Schrempp

On 2/18/2020 11:47 AM, Bill Hazel via Groups.Io wrote:

Could I get someone to create a step-by-step HowTo and publish it?
It would make many of your lives less frustrating and assist me in not being more annoying than I already am.

Bill

Re: Help Please can't contact group owner

Joseph Hudson
 

With any group that I have ran for any other owner, I have additional contact information such as their cell phone number if I need to reach them in a case of needing to have a lively discussion. So if you have that information you might want to try to reach out that way. And see if you can get in touch with a family member.

On Feb 18, 2020, at 5:08 AM, Stuart McCarthy <perthspotter@...> wrote:

We believe the owner of our group has died, I've been trying to get a response from him since October last year with no answer, I'm the moderator and I have been given very limited access, what can we do?


Stuart

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Re: Trimming Posts - Could someone explain how? #askmembers

Rubens
 

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BH| I see a lot of talk about trimming posts,
| the upside and downside but no HowTo do it.


"Trimming" a text means only editing and
"cutting" the excess of text whose repetition
does not interest to the discussion.

Just like I did with your message (above),
I cut your message and kept only a few words.

So, if you know how to edit a text, then
you know how to "trimming".


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Re: replies to rejected messages

Harlan Steinle
 

I’ve gone through the FAQ’s etc and can’t find an answer to this situation.  When I make a ‘rejecting a message’ reply to a message I want to be able to highlight, underline, and bold parts of my ‘hand-made’ message, but am NOT able to figure out HOW to do it.  I have tried to ‘copy and paste’ in the format I want to use, but when I do a paste, it automatically is changed to ‘plain text’ format.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Harlan Steinle

Owner/moderator ssv forums

 

 

Trimming Posts - Could someone explain how? #askmembers

Bill Hazel
 

I see a lot of talk about trimming posts, the upside and downside but no HowTo do it.
I checked the wiki and there was only one mention about it and that was a complaint.
It may be simple for some, maybe most of you, but I don't know how to trim or for that matter, quote properly.
I see it done all the time, especially by the "old hands".
I know it can't be that difficult.
Could I get someone to create a step-by-step HowTo and publish it?
It would make many of your lives less frustrating and assist me in not being more annoying than I already am.

Bill

Re: Help Please can't contact group owner

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 08:02 AM, Stuart McCarthy wrote:
I'm the moderator and I have been given very limited access
If you have access to the Member list, have you tried using his email address there instead of via the owner address?

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Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Rubens
 

...
GG| (...) a very bad analogy.
| Word Perfect was a proprietary binary
| format that could not be read at all
| without their software.


I don't know how it is today (I don't care),
but in the old days, when Word Perfect was
a popular text editor, I could read Word
Perfect text files using other popular
text editors like the late WordStar and
even Microsoft Word.

At that time, it was not necessary to have
Word Perfect software installed on the
computer to read texts written in this
format.


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Re: Help Please can't contact group owner

ro-esp
 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 03:02 PM, Stuart McCarthy wrote:


what can we do?
We don't know yet, but if I were you I'd try emailing to support@groups.io about it

groetjes, Ronaldo

Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Glenn Glazer
 

They are, IMHO, really poor points and a very bad analogy.

Word Perfect was a proprietary binary format that could not be read at all without their software.

HTML is a plain text format that is interpreted (that's in italics) by MUAs and browsers and so forth. You can open any HTML document in any plain text reader (vi, notepad, whatever) and read the text. It might be a trifle harder to read <i>interpreted</i>, but the text is there and fully available to the same applications that read plain text files.

Best,

Glenn "The M is for Markup" Glazer


On 2/18/2020 09:26, Patricia Kennedy Max wrote:
Good points, Barry.

Text is the KISS method for long term information retention.

Patricia Max


On 02/18/2020 08:19 AM, Barry Porter KB1PA wrote:
Its also a matter of desiring to keep messages for a long term record,
or transferability (if needed). HTML is constantly improving. in 5 or 10
years you might not be able to read a message in today’s HTML. Text is
the lowest common denominator. It has been and will be readable in the future.
Many forget the gold standard not to long ago was Word Perfect. Can’t read those
documents anymore. If those documents were in plain text they could be accessed.
That's the main reason plain text is preferable. you can then take the
base plain text, and format it to your heart's content.

Barry

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Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Patricia Kennedy Max <pam@...>
 

Good points, Barry.

Text is the KISS method for long term information retention.

Patricia Max

On 02/18/2020 08:19 AM, Barry Porter KB1PA wrote:
Its also a matter of desiring to keep messages for a long term record,
or transferability (if needed). HTML is constantly improving. in 5 or 10
years you might not be able to read a message in today’s HTML. Text is
the lowest common denominator. It has been and will be readable in the future.
Many forget the gold standard not to long ago was Word Perfect. Can’t read those
documents anymore. If those documents were in plain text they could be accessed.
That's the main reason plain text is preferable. you can then take the
base plain text, and format it to your heart's content.

Barry

Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

ANGUS and MORAY List Owner
 

Mostly, when I click on an attachment, it opens immediately. I prefer it that way because I have the choice whether or not to open it, and I don't have to twiddle my thumbs while a great screed of decorative HTML loads.

And there is no risk of malware from the plain text.

If attachments in your e-mail client don't open immediately then you probably need to review your own e-mail settings.

The question asked was 'Why choose plain text over HTML?' and several people have ansewered that question, saying why they have made that choice. No-one is telling you that *you* can't or shouldn't use it in *your* lists.

I don't want HTML in my lists. I want good, concise, grammatical and lucid discussion of things of interest to my List subscribers. Fancy typefaces and colours and silly logos from social media web sites won't add any useful content to the discussion.

If you want HTML in yours, that's fine, it's entirely up to you, and it's none of my business. But don't question my judgment in relation to my own lists.

Anne

Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Glenn Glazer
 

I see that flexibility and tolerance are your bywords. Sure, you can do those things if those things seem right to you, but it seems wrong to assume that everyone has the same sensibilities that you do.

Best,

Glenn


On 2/18/2020 05:28, gregory alan wrote:
In full agreement with security of utilizing plain text in emails. I also react to folks who require me to adapt to their favorite means of communication in order to interact with them online.

I also am going to start notifying my personal email contacts that I refuse to be in the "fwd:fwd:fwd" chain-gang. I will be automatically eliminating all such emails sent to me. After a second or third warning I have blocked individuals who never grasped utilizing all-caps is shouting. It is not my job to make up for other people's ignorance after a point.

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Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Rubens
 

...
RA> No problem! You also CAN post pictures into
> Plain Text messages too, as attachments...

BS| No, you can attach a file to a plain text
| file, but you can not post an image "into"
| a plain text file.
|
| Inserting an image into a file is very
| different from attaching it



Sorry for that, if that is the case
and I didn't make myself understood.

English is not my first language and
sometimes I can't find the right words
to express my thoughts.

The point is: you can include a picture
in an email message written in plain text.
It's not an impossible thing.

Thank for your revision.


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Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Rubens
 

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RA> I think you don't get it...
> It's a choice of each group owner.

CJ| I do get it. The point I am trying to make
| is that some of what has been suggested points
| towards those of us who are happy to use HTML
| should be more or less prevented from doing
| so.


OK. But I don't think it's the case.
We are not "suggesting points towards
others".

See, this thread began with this question:

"WHY would you not want the HTML version
of digest for at least THIS forum?"


After that specific question, all we're
doing is answer WHY we, owners, don't
want html in our groups. It is just that,
the explanation for what we were asked for.
This has nothing to do with your (or
others) preferences.

You can configure your groups the way
you want, of course. We are just
explaining *WHY* (as asked) in our
groups the configuration is "plain
text only".


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Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Bob Schrempp
 

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 07:45 PM, Rubens wrote:
No problem! You also CAN post pictures into
Plain Text messages too, as attachments...


No,, you can attach a file to a plain text file, but you can not post an image "into" a plain text file. 

Inserting an image into a file is very different from attaching it 

 

Bottom line, some people like Plain Text and other like HTML. 




Bob

Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 09:06 AM, Rubens wrote:
If he chooses "plain text" configuration,
then you will have no choice in his group.
THAT is the case here, in GMF group.
None of the options for message formatting are set for this group.  What is sent is what is shown, subject to the limits allowed by the site.

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Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Joe WB9SBD
 

Then an image that is embedded it's sure to be clean and safe true.

Now an attachment, it could be named something but be something totally different.

I rarely ever open any "Attachments" even from people I know.  and never ever from someone I do not know.

Joe WB9SBD

On 2/18/2020 9:02 AM, Laurence Marks wrote:
The peculiar response to embedding photographs in an HTML email is that they could be "attached" instead.

The reality is that busy people would rather view the attachment in their mail agent or browser than:
  • Initiate the download of the attachment
  • Direct where it's to be downloaded
  • Start the download.
  • Open a viewer
  • Close the viewer
  • Delete the file
I  suppose that's fine for people with time on their hands.

Larry

Re: Why choose plain text over HTML email?

Rubens
 

...
La> The reality is that busy people would
> rather view the attachment in their mail
> agent or browser than:
> ... [multiple steps]

SF| Ick.
|
| In my mail agents (Gmail web, Gmail app
| on Android, and Thunderbird) Rubens' attached
| photo is shown in-line below the message body.
| Not much more fuss than an embedded image,



Same here with Outlook.com web reader.
The attached picture is automatically
show in-line, above the message body.
You don't have to do anything.

And for Outlook.com app on Android,
and Outlook reader on Windows, all you
have to do to *SEE* the picture attached
is click on it. You click it, you see it.


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Re: Reliability / durability of groups.io service

Duane
 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 09:07 AM, Jim Wilson wrote:
It's not a one-person operation. Of course, that may appear to be the case but I count at least a half-dozen people or more who regularly contribute to Groups.io in one capacity or another. Mark has also recently posted comments regarding additional contractors that have been brought in to help with the growth factor and to, perhaps, reprogram a few things in consideration thereof.
I believe Mark is the only 'paid employee' at the moment.  He did call in family and friends during the YG exodus.  There are contractors for things like the user manual and the app, but Mark is the one that does all the programming for the site, fixes the bugs, adds features, etc.  Apparently he enjoys doing this as much as he says - a labor of love.  If it were me, I'd have given up long ago after some of the skirmishes that have occurred on the beta group ;>)

I've had most of my groups here for over 5 years and haven't had reason to regret it.  There are no guarantees, but I don't think GIO is a bad choice.

Duane
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