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Re: Subgroups

The travellers System
 

I created my group today, why [ha]s this been a change? I don't understand, [f]ree group[s] should be able to create [sub]groups as well as premium groups

Sent from The Travellers System

[Typos/voice recognition errors (hopefully) corrected by Moderator]

On 14 Feb 2020, at 20:21, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote:

When did you create your group?

Assuming its a free group

If created after the 14th Jan 2020 you will not have the facility to create sub groups

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 14/02/2020 20:10, The travellers System wrote:
Hello there, I'm trying to create a subgroup for my group but the setting is not there, when I go into settings it says that only members can create subgroups how can I change that? Many thanks michone


Re: Calendar.ICS

Duane
 

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 03:11 PM, Chadwick Stelzl-KD5UMO wrote:
Had tried those mentioned and other things multiple times.
I don't see where you submitted a #bug on the beta group. All groups use the same calendar code, so others would be seeing it if they use the ics file.

Duane
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Re: Calendar.ICS

Chadwick Stelzl-KD5UMO
 

Little response. Had tried those mentioned and other things multiple times. 

The calendar works perfectly on the Groups.io platform. Not outside of it. I have a webpage for a large group and audience that utilizes the calendar that we don’t have as members. 

Maybe I’m the only one with the issue, hence little feedback. 

Thanks. 

Chadwick Stelzl-KD5UMO 

On Feb 14, 2020, at 14:18, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

Have you tried the information in your previous topic about this? https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/71140605  There's no need to start a new topic if it's the same problem.  Just makes it harder for people to find answers.

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Re: Restricted Group Approval #inviteapproval

Deb F
 

Our other Mod found the answer in under Activity - it appears that this one person "applied" for membership vs accepting the invitation - problem solved; case closed.  
Great to have this group here - so much info for us newbies  


Re: Subgroups

Duane
 

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 02:13 PM, The travellers System wrote:
I'm trying to create a subgroup for my group but the setting is not there
If the group was created after January 15, 2020, and is a Basic (free) group, you can't create subgroups.  If it was created before that or is Premium, then the Members setting will allow anyone to create one.

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Re: Subgroups

Nivard Ovington
 

When did you create your group?

Assuming its a free group

If created after the 14th Jan 2020 you will not have the facility to create sub groups

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 14/02/2020 20:10, The travellers System wrote:
Hello there, I'm trying to create a subgroup for my group but the setting is not there, when I go into settings it says that only members can create subgroups how can I change that? Many thanks michone


Re: Calendar.ICS

Duane
 

Have you tried the information in your previous topic about this? https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/71140605  There's no need to start a new topic if it's the same problem.  Just makes it harder for people to find answers.

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Re: Restricted Group Approval #inviteapproval

Deb F
 

Thanks for the reply Laurence 
Yes, it was an invitation notice that I sent, and there were about 60 people who all got the same notice at the same time. We are a free group, so i don't think we are capable of doing the direct add.  For all of the other members, I just received a notice that they had joined the group, but nothing seeking approval for it. 
Deb  


Re: two groups, one email

Nivard Ovington
 

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for the change ;-)

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 14/02/2020 20:03, Glenn Glazer wrote:
Yeah, I kinda figured I was shouting into the wind, but heck, maybe it is the plus one vote that tips them into action. Five minutes of my time seemed worth the risk.
Best,
Glenn


Subgroups

The travellers System
 

Hello there, I'm trying to create a subgroup for my group but the setting is not there, when I go into settings it says that only members can create subgroups how can I change that? Many thanks michone


Sent from The Travellers System


Re: two groups, one email

Glenn Glazer
 

Yeah, I kinda figured I was shouting into the wind, but heck, maybe it is the plus one vote that tips them into action. Five minutes of my time seemed worth the risk.

Best,

Glenn


On 2/14/2020 11:37, Nivard Ovington wrote:
Good luck with that one ;-)

Its been years and a great number of complaints and zero response

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 14/02/2020 19:26, Glenn Glazer wrote:
With respect to all of this, I have filed the following feedback with Gmail, Page only knows if they will ever act on it:

    Gmail is too aggressive about pruning receipts of duplicate emails.
    Consider the following scenario:


Re: ID column in the database - can I hide it or make it smaller?

Sun Seeker
 

Did not see an answer to this yet, but I have a related question..............

Is there any way to hide the ID column all the time when a member opens the database?  I know it needs to be there in the record, but it is distracting for how I am using the database to list items.  

It would be great if when a regular member opens the database, they only see the columns that I have created and not the ID number which they have no use for.


Re: in case of orphaned group #poll

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Comments below.  

WRB


On Feb 14, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 02:12 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
Groups.io is a group hosting service to OWNERS of the groups they bring here.  
And where exactly have you found that Mission Statement from Groups.io? I would assert that Groups.io  is a hosting service for groups, not just the owner of those groups. Obviously a Group Owner is a vital part of the chain; I would see an owner as perhaps "primus inter pares" amongst the group members.

“I would assert…”.  I would see…”.  Fine, but that’s not the present reality, is it?  Groups.io has legal liability for its every operational action and inaction, with or without a “mission Statement”.  

If you believe its obligations to its clients, the group leaders that come here, extend to group members I think it for you to support such belief credibly or admit that you advocate for such change.

<snip>

They do NOT seek undue involvement in group management matters,

I don't think anyone has suggested that they do; I certainly haven't. FWIW I have a major concern about Q1 in the poll that started this thread, and that is that it assumes that Groups.io management would be willing to undertake what might be required of it if everyone asked for "intervention" to sort out internal administrative matters on a per group basis.

I share that “major concern” with you.  The assumption you support is presently without precedent, unavailable and unwarranted for good reason(s).
but they do aspire to provide those services group OWNERS want or need.
Groups.io has the final say on what is and what is not implemented, and there is no certainty that any "want or need" expressed by group owners either individually or in concert will be adopted.

No argument here.  That’s correct.

Please resist the temptation to SHOUT at me or anyone else. Other forms of emphasis are available! :)

Chris
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Re: two groups, one email

Nivard Ovington
 

Good luck with that one ;-)

Its been years and a great number of complaints and zero response

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 14/02/2020 19:26, Glenn Glazer wrote:
With respect to all of this, I have filed the following feedback with Gmail, Page only knows if they will ever act on it:
Gmail is too aggressive about pruning receipts of duplicate emails.
Consider the following scenario:


Calendar.ICS

Chadwick Stelzl-KD5UMO
 

Greetings. 

My group #calendar appears to have a #bug. The .ics  file has no data and therefore is not able to be imported/subscribed to. 

Any info on a fix is appreciated. 

Chadwick-KD5UMO


Re: in case of orphaned group #poll

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Responding, as you did, below.

Cheers!

WRB



On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:44 AM, ro-esp <ro-esp@dds.nl> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 03:12 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

Groups.io is a group hosting service to OWNERS of the groups they bring here.
In my view it is a service to the subscribers/members.
This not the present reality of the service and/or relationship. If you would change that, you carry the burden. It is presumptive and futile to imply otherwise.

Owners and other moderators merely are a "necessary evil" to prevent groups from becoming the next spam&rant-fest.
No. Founders are creators. Primary Owners and/or Designated Depresentatives are CEOs whose authority is whatever a founder says, or whose actions are accepted by effective consensus in such capacity by a group’s ongoing history.

They do NOT seek undue involvement in group management matters
No they don't, but some types of groups are not welcome.
Agreed, although this would seem to support my position that Groups.io should offer other owner options for group continuity than a co-owner option that has a history of unintended internal group conflict.

Yes, “..nobody can force an unwilling owner to give their moderators more
permissions as a way of preserving the long - term viability of a group”.
As we've been discussing for over 70 messages now, there seems to be a consensus that giving someone the privilege of setting roles should not enable him/her to singlehandedly depose an owner like is possible now. It's exactly this feature that probably is keeping owners from giving a moderator/spare-owner that privilege
Completely agree.


The “…solution to the above I believe infinitely simpler and need not
involve moderators or co-owners at all. That is for Groups.io to have on file
ONE “official contact” for each group.
It is for THAT designated person to designate a successor
I don't see how that would be *simpler* than letting the group decide who gets promoted and support@groups.io stepping in to make it happen.
It’s “simpler in the sense of one client, one voice. Multiple voices just creates more unproductive noise in group operation and purpose.

What if the "official contact" is no longer reachable?
Ans THERE you have it, the subject underlying these “over 70 messages”, Ownership Succession. But we get ahead of ourselves.

Reachable by whom? The members a founder has somehow induced to join; who, in most cases are relatively inactive lurkers the totality of which pay nothing to the Founder for services rendered? From WHERE does his/her obligation of time arise to be forever on call?

You are attempting with conspicuous lack of success to define conditions defining “no longer reachable” that justify intervention by Groups.io in the internal affairs of a group. Good luck with that.

A founding owner sometimes loses interest or otherwise ceases to perform any operational role in a functioning group, much like a business founder at some point might be “promoted” to a Chairman of the Board position, with or without title/salary/function.

Nonetheless, they are and will always be the historical Founder. Groups can and do function for decades quite smoothly without a “functional” Founder or Owner so long as there is someone to respond in timely manner to some emergency of legal origin that might affect Groups.io. Beyond that you can muddy the water all you want, but it’s a waste of everyone’s time.


Even a group “committee” responding in such case must respond to Groups.io with a single voice. Any other possibility would give Groups.io esquires the willies.

groetjes, Ronaldo


Re: two groups, one email

Glenn Glazer
 

With respect to all of this, I have filed the following feedback with Gmail, Page only knows if they will ever act on it:

Gmail is too aggressive about pruning receipts of duplicate emails. Consider the following scenario:

We have two people, A and B, who both belong to two mailing lists, G and H.  

A sends an email to G and H, but B only gets the email from one list, say G.

But what if B wants to respond to the email in the context of list H? B may not even be aware that the email went to H unless they they closely inspect the headers.

I would thus encourage Gmail to consider the tuple (list, person) and not just person when attempting to ascertain whether an email is a duplicate or not.

Best,

Glenn


Re: Restricted Group Approval #inviteapproval

Laurence Marks
 

Deb,

Are you sure the first group was "invited"? Perhaps you instead used "Direct Add." "Invitees" have to respond before being admitted. "Direct Adds" are immediately considered approved and added to the list.

Larry


Re: Restricted Group Approval #inviteapproval

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Deb Fountain wrote:
Brand new groups.io co-owner here. We have our group set as restricted. Today, we sent out our first invites, and for the first 10 members invited, I just received a notice that they joined the group (did not ask for approval).
This is normal for someone accepting an invitation. If you didn't want them to join, you wouldn't have invited them.

However, I just received a notice to approve another new member.  These people were all sent the same invite in a list, so they all received the same thing at the same time.  Just wondering why only one required approval for a restricted group.
Although you may have sent this person an invitation too, this suggests that (s)he did not actually respond to it; but instead clicked the "Join This Group" button or sent a +subscribe email. Your activity log should tell you what happened.

Regards,
Bruce


Restricted Group Approval #inviteapproval

Deb F
 

Hi 
Brand new groups.io co-owner here. We have our group set as restricted. Today, we sent out our first invites, and for the first 10 members invited, I just received a notice that they joined the group (did not ask for approval). However, I just received a notice to approve another new member.  These people were all sent the same invite in a list, so they all received the same thing at the same time.  Just wondering why only one required approval for a restricted group. Thakns in advance 

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