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Re: typho on owners email address, how do I fix it?

Duane
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 09:06 PM, Cristie wrote:
I am logged in, but it does not recognize me as the owner
You have to log in with the email address you used when creating the group.  If you can't figure out how to do that, you'll probably need to contact support@groups.io

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Re: Welcome messages contain old version of Group Description

Duane
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 09:05 PM, Jim Avera wrote:
Ok, it seems that under "Member Notices" a Welcome Notice was set up.

Was this auto-generated?
Yes, one of those is generated when you start a group or subgroup.  If you make a name change or want it to be different, you have to manually make the changes in the Welcome notice.  Since you've deleted it, just create a new notice of type Welcome that will be sent.  This time you'll have to enter all the information yourself.

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Re: What is 'canny'? #question

Glenn Glazer
 

On 2/10/2020 16:50, Duane wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 06:43 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
What please is this 'canny'?
It was an experiment to test a feature request system, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/68223523  It's been discontinued and replaced with the new charter for the beta group, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/69937945

Duane

So I guess we are now... wait for it...lowers shades...uncanny.

YEAH!

Best,

Glenn

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Re: typho on owners email address, how do I fix it?

Cristie <cristie@...>
 

I am logged in, but it does not recognize me as the owner, so I do not have the admin option.
 
 


From: "RickGlaz-WEB" <rickglaz4742435@...>
To: "GroupManagersForum" <GroupManagersForum@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:30:13 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] typho on owners email address, how do I fix it?

"*IF*" you are still logged in to the Group...
In the Admin Tab/Page, add the correct address.
Make them an OWNER.
Make sure you can use this new address,
then get rid of the incorrect one.

If you have no access to the Group, try
your luck with support...

Rick
[excess quote trimmed by moderator]


Re: Welcome messages contain old version of Group Description

Jim Avera
 

Ok, it seems that under "Member Notices" a Welcome Notice was set up.

Was this auto-generated?   I'm pretty certain I did not type in all the stuff about contacting the list owner, etc. which was in the errant Welcome Message.

I tried deleting the incorrect Welcome notice but then no Welcome Message gets sent at all.

Is the Welcome notice auto-generated initially, and if so, how can it be re-generated?

Thanks,

-Jim


Welcome messages contain old version of Group Description

Jim Avera
 

Hello,

The "Welcome Message" for new subscribers includes the group Description, but it appears to contain old, deleted text from a previous version of the Group Description.  The Group  Desc. was changed more than 24 hours ago, so it is not a momentary synchronization problem.

Please see the attached screen-shots:

actual_description.png - shows the description shown on the main Group webpage

welcom_msg.png - shot of a welcome message in an email reader.

Welcome emails contain the following text, which I think comes from an earlier (since changed) version of the Group Description:

"Low-volume announcements from or about Redwood Forest Friends Meeting or its members and attenders.  

We want everyone to subscribe without feeling burdened by too much email.   To achieve this we must "clerk" ourselves and think carefully about whether to send each post.    Please no back-and-forth discussion (contact the poster directly for that)."

The correct (i.e. current) Group Description is shown in the first screen shot.  Here is a copy-and-paste of the text in the Description text box of the Group Settings dialog (note that it is is different and much longer):

"This email group is for low-frequency announcements from Redwood Forest Friends Meeting and its members & attenders.

We are trying a new community-building experiment where anyone may post messages, including personal items of a non-commercial nature.

However we want everyone to subscribe without feeling burdened by too much email.   To achieve this, we must "clerk" ourselves.   Suggestions:

  • First: Discern whether your message warrants adding to other people's email load.   If you have specific recipients in mind, please email them directly instead.
  • Double-check the facts
  • Be clear
  • Be brief
  • Avoid repeating yourself or others
Clearly indicate if you are speaking in an official capacity (for example, as an RFFM officer or committee clerk/representative).   In personal messages, speak only for yourself.

To limit traffic, back-and-forth discussion is not allowed.  If there is interest, we could create a separate "rffm-discuss" group for unlimited cyber-talk (email <redacted> if interested).

Attachments are allowed (PDF is best)."

What's going on?  If this is a bug, how can I get someone's attention to fix it?

Thanks for any help!

-Jim Avera


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 05:33 PM, RickGlaz-WEB wrote:
The answer is yes, the "Owner of this whole place" (Mark) is floating an answer for the solution at the Beta Group.
This statement could not be more incorrect.

I have floated the idea that a Moderator with "set Moderator permissions" should not be able to edit a subscription's Role field, thereby addressing the "bug" that some have raised.

Succession of Owners is an entirely different issue. If anyone has a viable proposal to address that, please make it separately.

Bruce


Re: What is 'canny'? #question

Duane
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 06:43 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
What please is this 'canny'?
It was an experiment to test a feature request system, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/68223523  It's been discontinued and replaced with the new charter for the beta group, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/69937945

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What is 'canny'? #question

Epicatt2
 

Gentle GMF Members,

Keep seeing references for things mentioned on 'canny'.

What please is this 'canny'? I have searched around on GIO a few times but w/o any results that offer a definition or explanation of/for it.

Be that as it may, I may wind up somehow chagrinned when I finally find out what 'canny' is, but enquiring minds and all that . . . .

TIA

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
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Re: typho on owners email address, how do I fix it?

RickGlaz-WEB <rickglaz4742435@...>
 

"*IF*" you are still logged in to the Group...
In the Admin Tab/Page, add the correct address.
Make them an OWNER.
Make sure you can use this new address,
then get rid of the incorrect one.

If you have no access to the Group, try
your luck with support...

Rick



On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 01:19 PM, Cristie wrote:
I am assuming I had a typho on my email address when creating my list, emails to the list owner have gone unanswered, I am the owner...how do I correct it?!?


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

RickGlaz-WEB <rickglaz4742435@...>
 

The answer is yes, the "Owner of this whole place" (Mark) is
floating an answer for the solution at the Beta Group.

I will wait for the results. (I only represent myself
as a normal member + Owner of a VERY small Group.)

Currently he seems open to the various concerns.

Rick


On February 10, 2020 at 11:51 AM "Victoria via Groups.Io" <clipped> wrote:
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Michael brought up this topic writing: " Before making this suggestion to beta, what do people think?" So I am wondering if the results of this topic are being brought to beta for it seems an important one to me.

Victoria


Heading and subject line mixed up for subgroups in 'welcome' email

HUB Cycling
 

We have several sub-groups under our main group. Subscribers to the sub-groups are getting 'welcome' emails with conflicting details. The subject will say 'welcome to group A" while the body says 'welcome to group B.'  


Re: Importing or transferring messages #messages

Duane
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 02:32 PM, hapob2 Gmail wrote:
trying to understand how to import or transfer messages to my new group before adding a lot of members
The most current information about doing this is at https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io, specifically https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io#Uploading-a-message-archive for uploading past messages.

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Importing or transferring messages #messages

hapob2 Gmail
 

I've spend many frustrating hours trying to understand how to import or transfer messages to my new group before adding a lot of members.  I have a dump of messages from a unsatisfactory listserv provider loaded on my PC.  It contains over 10K of messages spanning 10 years; many are old and of no interest to the new group.  However some would be useful for historic purposes.  If I filter out all usless messages via script or a PC mail program and have a filtered message file in standard message format, can I upload, import or however you call it, get it into the messages for the new group?  This seems like a utterly simple process that no one via the hundreds of links I've reviewed addresses.  It is a "catch-22" that just goes from link to link to link with no satisfactory answers.  Where can I find a simple step by step process that addresses this issue in an understandable way or is it impossible?


typho on owners email address, how do I fix it?

Cristie <cristie@...>
 

I am assuming I had a typho on my email address when creating my list, emails to the list owner have gone unanswered, I am the owner...how do I correct it?!?


Re: .ICS Not writing a file

Chadwick Stelzl-KD5UMO
 

I added multiple calendar items a couple weeks ago for dates in Feb and Mar.  They never populated the Google calendar.  I removed/added, etc repeatedly.  No take.

I made a new .ICS file this morning an tried to upload to a different calendar and it says the file is empty.


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:55 PM, Victoria wrote:
So I am wondering if the results of this topic are being brought to beta for it seems an important one to me.
There is no "result" other than the fact that there is concern about the current situation.

The only system based solution that I have been able to dream up is one whereby (a) the "real" owner is immune to attempts to downgrade them by anyone, (b) there is a nominated "new" owner appointed and stored somewhere within the "system". (Yeah I know that's vague!) and (c) the real owner receives an email (say) once per month requiring them to confirm that they are still in effective control of the group. If they confirm that then they remain the owner. If for whatever reason they fail to confirm it for 2 (?) consecutive months then ownership is transferred to the nominee.

Chris


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

J Forster
 

[snip]

Back to the subject in hand... I agree with Bruce in that the current system whereby a co - owner can dispossess a real owner is a missing feature rather than a bug, and warrants further consideration. It also worries me that there are co - owners who would even consider doing that to someone; it would be a huge breach of the trust placed in them

[snip]

To me, a co-owner being able to dispossess an Owner is a real bug. It has been done once to me on Yahoo and was attempted here a couple of months ago, fortunately w/o success.
Support were of no help whatever.

The simple fact is there are always people who think they can and/or deserve to run a group better than the Owner. People change...  today's friend can become tomorrow's enemy.

IMO, the solution might involve some kind of will file. If certain conditions are met (like Owner death or incapacity), the will file comes into effect and designates a replacement Owner.
The will file can only be accessed by the original Owner.

FWIW,

-John

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Re: strange people trying to join

Jonathan Sivier
 

I had what looks like it could be another of these email addresses apply to join one of my groups this morning. The name seems to be of the form namenamenumber, but the domain is "hanmail.net" The location info in the Subscription Approval message is

Logged in: Windows IE 11 - Sejong, Sejong-si, KR (112.165.223.31)

This seems to be from Korea. However, we get a lot of students from Korea at our local university, so it isn't impossible that one of them is using an email address from there for their personal correspondence and is actually interested in our group.

Has anyone seen one like this? I will wait and see if they respond to the Pending Subscription message, but I thought I would check to see if by some chance this is another source of the strange addresses trying to join our groups.

Thanks.

Jonathan


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:32 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
I rather doubt if there is a "surveillance committee"
I didn´t mean this as an institutionalized body. What I mean is what you describe as a

developing atmosphere in which dissent about any given idea is resented, whether or not that resentment is actively or passively expressed. 
And I add: if a proposed suggestion is being shouted down immediately. The dimension that different groups have different needs and requirements is not taken into consideration.

Back to the subject in hand... I agree with Bruce in that the current system whereby a co - owner can dispossess a real owner is a missing feature rather than a bug, and warrants further consideration. It also worries me that there are co - owners who would even consider doing that to someone; it would be a huge breach of the trust placed in them
Of course it´s not a bug. And as I wrote in my message 22927 I do not quite understand why an owner should give a moderator the permission to set moderator privileges when he/she does not need this feature for anything. As far as I can see this is an optional feature. This of course still does not solve the co-owner problem which is subject here and which has been sufficiently discussed in my opinion.

Michael brought up this topic writing: "
Before making this suggestion to beta, what do people think?" So I am wondering if the results of this topic are being brought to beta for it seems an important one to me.

Victoria

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