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Re: Cancel an outstanding invitation? #question

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 12:42 AM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
Is it possible to 'cancel' a pending invitation? 
Yes. Go to Admin>Invite and click the Sent Invitations button at the top of the page.

On the resulting page, tick the checkboxes for any you wish to withdraw and select Cancel/Remove Invite from the Actions menu.

Bruce


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

txercoupemuseum.org
 


Hi Larry,

Most group founders or owners are young enough that they are not in imminent danger of dying from old age or illness.  So long as they are willing to do the job, they are typically “owners for life” (or until they WISH to “move on”.  

This is as it should be.  Group ownership is not an elected position with “term limits”.  

As I approach my 80th birthday, even though I feel fine, work hard and am in good health, that CAN change in an instant (as can the well being anyone).  The few people I believe could do what I do, people with experience and qualifications well beyond basic social skills have full, busy lives.  They may or may not may not be particularly interested in serving as a group owner.  

If I could designate a successor without resigning, I could evaluate and choose a successor to take over when I can no longer do the job.  I might outlive them and then have to do it again.  Goes with the territory.   

I’m NOT going to appoint a co-owner who could and well might institute an unnecessary and undesired power struggle for leadership.  It’s not unreasonable to desire an alternative to that scenario.

WRB

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On Feb 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Laurence Marks <marks@...> wrote:

WRB wrote:
The “extra work” might be as simple to fire off an already prepared request for successor volunteer candidates and a prepared “poll” formatted such that the mere entry of names and posting would result in public popular election of a successor.

Why wait for the disappearance/demise of the owner to do that? Why not right now take nominations and a poll for a successor? Better yet, a list of the top three or four or more, so that at least one is around by the time the owner is gone.

That would be like electing a president while the current president is still sitting. At first it seems strange, but when you stop and think about it for a minute you realize that you probably belong to a few organizations where there is a president-elect who will become president when the sitting president's term expires.

Larry
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Re: 2nd round of invitations - can't edit customized message

JeanetteL
 

Mark said to post this over here.  I now believe its a bug, but I am not going to bother trying to post it again in Beta.  You should be able to send out a revised invitation with whatever you put in the customized message, and - it just isn't.  No matter what I put in there, it will put the text of Invite #1 or the text of Invite #2, but not the revised text of Invite #2.  Can't change it.  Kinda disappointed, but I'll find a workaround.  Just be advised then, it seems the invite only works ONE time.  That's it.


Cancel an outstanding invitation? #question

Rick N
 

Is it possible to 'cancel' a pending invitation?  Obviously an invitation can't be removed from someone's Inbox, but if it hasn't been accepted after a certain amount of time, I'd like to deactivate/cancel an invitation.  I don't want someone to use an invitation six months after it's been sent, for example.

Rick


Re: Support turnaround?

Randall
 

Just send them another email. It's not as formal as you might think.
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Re: Posts from 2002 showing up in my group today?? They were MINE!!

Duane
 

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 09:05 PM, Janie wrote:
they are what I posted in 2002 when I first created the group I own
Try clicking on Date at the upper right.  You've managed to get the page sorted by oldest first.  The site should remember unless you change it.

Duane
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Posts from 2002 showing up in my group today?? They were MINE!!

Janie
 

There are two posts from ME, but they are what I posted in 2002 when I first created the group I own. What in the world??

Janie


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

Laurence Marks
 

WRB wrote:
The “extra work” might be as simple to fire off an already prepared request for successor volunteer candidates and a prepared “poll” formatted such that the mere entry of names and posting would result in public popular election of a successor.

Why wait for the disappearance/demise of the owner to do that? Why not right now take nominations and a poll for a successor? Better yet, a list of the top three or four or more, so that at least one is around by the time the owner is gone.

That would be like electing a president while the current president is still sitting. At first it seems strange, but when you stop and think about it for a minute you realize that you probably belong to a few organizations where there is a president-elect who will become president when the sitting president's term expires.

Larry


weird behavior of the bouncing badge

Jonathan Sivier
 

I've noticed a strange behavior of the badge that marks list members as bouncing. I have a member who's email is bouncing. The badge next to their email address was blue for 15 days as expected and then turned red. Typically at this point I send them an email directly, just in case the problem is due to mail coming from Groups.io and send a last attempt bounce probe. The email and bounce probe bounced, as I figured they would, but when I went back to the bouncing members list page to remove them the badge next to their address had turned back to blue. I thought perhaps I had made a mistake and it hadn't actually been red in the first place, so I left it alone with the intention of checking back later. When I checked later in the day, after 5 p.m. Central Time, which seems to be when the bounce handling takes place, the badge had returned to being red. Curious to see what would happen I sent another bounce probe, it bounced, and sure enough the badge turned blue again. This was yesterday. Today I checked again and the badge was still blue, until sometime after 5:00 when it turned red again. I again sent a bounce probe (which bounced) and the badge again turned back to blue.

Has anyone noticed this behavior before? I don't think it's a problem, just a little strange. I still intend to delete this member, but I'm curious to see what happens as time goes by. Will this behavior continue or will the system eventually decide that they are bouncing permanently and keep the badge red, even it I do send additional bounce probes.

Jonathan


Re: #question - How can I mark messages and replies as one's I've already read? #question

Donald Hellen
 

Nedda . . .

On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:17:54 -0800, "Nedda" <neddaw@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

I'm new, and am having difficulty figure out which topics and which replies within a topic I've already read.
The only way I know you can know which you've read and which are new
is to get the posts by email. Email programs and web mail services
mark the messages you've clicked on as read.

You can post new messages by email or reply to a post. I prefer doing
everything by email instead of doing it through a web interface.



Donald


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Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Which idea?

Mine was to have the owner designate an "Acting Owner” to take any necessary action in any case of significant inaction by said owner.  It doesn’t mean that designated person necessarily become the successor…only that there is a path forward for the group to survive.  I do agree that no one should be so appointed without their informed consent. 

Let’s not overthink something intended to avoid every group’s present nightmare of eventual termination from the demise of a single individual.  No one is prescient, immortal or irreplaceable in basic function.  The “extra work” might be as simple to fire off an already prepared request for successor volunteer candidates and a prepared “poll” formatted such that the mere entry of names and posting would result in public popular election of a successor.

Best!

WRB

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On Feb 8, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Paul Ohio USA via Groups.Io <pwberndt@...> wrote:

I also like this idea.

As noted, just appointing anyone without agreement doesn't fit.

Perhaps solicit the group for someone(s) who would like to be the new owner, check their activity and longevity. The downside is that support will be burdened with extra work which, most likely, be met with "OH NO!"

This is difficult and makes it more important that the current owner put together a list, with which they are comfortable & it should be periodically reviewed.

Back before the collapse of Yahoo Groups, there was an option to make a moderator, with all of the powers of the owner, EXCEPT, they could not delete/demote the owner or promote someone to owner. I was one of these and when the owner quit, I and two other people ran the group. I see that today, YG has no owners, only moderators with all of these powers.

Thanks,
Paul, Ohio, USA

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Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

txercoupemuseum.org
 

The greatest responsibility of any leader is to provide for continuity of the organization.  That responsibility is most certainly NOT properly discharged by creating multiple “equal” co-owners that can immediately demote the “primary” leadership or create an unintended, untimely and unnecessary struggle for leadership.  Too many cooks spoil the soup, and the potential for abuse by any co-owner is infinite (given human nature).  

This thread addresses a situation not unlike the division of property of one who dies intestate (without a will).  It should not necessarily address the complicity of establishing a new “owner", but primarily implement a pre-agreed procedure to provide a way forward from a sole owner’s sudden and unforeseen incapacitation or death. 

Obviously any procedure requiring action by Groups.io must be absolutely free of liability.  Within that qualification, each owner (or group) should decide the range of such actions they want “triggered” so as to avoid becoming an orphan without effective leadership for any significant period. 

Best!

WRB

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On Feb 8, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 03:46 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Absentee Owner Succession feature
It seems to me there needs to be something that can be programmed, making it automatic.  No extra load for GIO management and, IMO, more likely to be implemented.  It would probably need to be the successor list.  Figuring our how to trigger it, and whether that trigger would be permanent, would be the challenge.

Of course, having a co-owner is the easiest and avoids all the problems completely.

Duane
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Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

T Golding
 

Why not do what Yahoo did ,what Paul states here, that would seem to be the simplest thing for Mark to program and make the most sense.  

there was an option to make a moderator, with all of the powers of the owner, EXCEPT, they could not delete/demote the owner or promote someone to owner

Terri


Re: Group gets orphaned #spam #owner #membership

Ken Cameron
 

Shal may have more clues here but consider this.

When it thinks an account is guilty of spam issues, it does remove them from
the 'sending list'. They are internally still a member, but blocked, like
for bouncing. Some of this discussion may be more related to the choice of
words, and on the weekend fix lists, sometimes the comment is more about
changing words used and not the actions behind them. I'm guessing a bit, but
I would not expect the owner to be removed, just not being sent anymore
mail. The account is still the owner for the list.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team


2nd round of invitations - can't edit customized message

JeanetteL
 

I tried just sending it to my own (another e-mail) addy I have to see what comes through.  I keep getting an older version of my 2nd invite.  I tried deleting, copy/paste, retyping the text of the new message, it insists on sending the older version.  I can't figure out where this is being stored at, it's almost laughable.  What am I missing here?   Usually I can find the answer if I search.  Not this time - I tried going to "Member Notices" to see what is there, and there is nothing to change.  I'm lost....any suggestions please?


Re: #question - How can I mark messages and replies as one's I've already read? #question

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 05:37 PM, Nedda wrote:
Are some in bold (not read) and others not (already read) or is there another system in place?
There is no such function. Maybe the groups.io app -- when its released -- will have something like that.

Bruce


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

Duane
 

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 03:46 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Absentee Owner Succession feature
It seems to me there needs to be something that can be programmed, making it automatic.  No extra load for GIO management and, IMO, more likely to be implemented.  It would probably need to be the successor list.  Figuring our how to trigger it, and whether that trigger would be permanent, would be the challenge.

Of course, having a co-owner is the easiest and avoids all the problems completely.

Duane
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Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

Ken Cameron
 

I wasn't paying much attention to this thread, but when I saw:

" So succession by seniority or most prolific posters may not be as easy
as it might seem."

All I could think about was the BBC show "Red Dwarf". A holographic
companion was created for a sole survivor using the person with the most
contact. Granted that contact was the survivor telling the other (now a
hologram) person to "smeg off". Prolific is not always a good metric. Google
can give those who never saw Red Dwarf some clue about this. It was a sci-fi
like many BBC creations over the decades.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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www.cnymod.org
www.syracusemodelrr.org


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

ro-esp
 

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 10:46 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:

An "Absentee Owner Succession" feature should allow/require :
1) setting what constitutes 'Absent', i.e. Owner not doing any or all of
following:
-not logged in for x Days, Weeks, or Months (30 days?);
-and/or x Moderation/Subscription notices not acted on for x Days (14
days?);
-or an algorithm based on the group's typical or current activity.
How about simply "not reacting to emails" when (s)he didn't announce absence?


2) a Chain of Succession:
-up to 5-10 designees, promoting 1 (or more) at a time;
-the most active, most senior Moderator(s);
-or if none, the most active, most senior Member(s).
Nonono. If there is just one moderator, that would be the obvious choice. If there's more than one, have an election. If there are none, ask the group who wants the job, and whether the group agrees with that person becoming owner.


Additionally, probably a separate "Founder / Protected Owner" suggestion:
Allow a group's 'creator Owner' (or the most senior Owner) to designate
themself and other Owners as "Founders" or "Protected" to prevent their
removal.
make it simpler: a moderator can not remove or demote an owner.

if you want to be very democratic, add: except when the group agrees


NB I assume that someone at support@groups.io will have to be involved in every case of this.

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


Re: Absentee Owner Succession feature

Paul Ohio USA
 

I also like this idea.

As noted, just appointing anyone without agreement doesn't fit.

Perhaps solicit the group for someone(s) who would like to be the new owner, check their activity and longevity. The downside is that support will be burdened with extra work which, most likely, be met with "OH NO!"

This is difficult and makes it more important that the current owner put together a list, with which they are comfortable & it should be periodically reviewed.

Back before the collapse of Yahoo Groups, there was an option to make a moderator, with all of the powers of the owner, EXCEPT, they could not delete/demote the owner or promote someone to owner. I was one of these and when the owner quit, I and two other people ran the group. I see that today, YG has no owners, only moderators with all of these powers.

Thanks,
Paul, Ohio, USA

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