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Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

JD Erskine
 

On 2019.12.12 2217, isis feral via Groups.Io wrote:
I played around with it some more, and it's becoming clear now that the
Yahoo data is NOT COMPLETE. I looked up some of the attachments in the
archives, and at first thought that the missing attachments in the MBOX
files were also missing from the archives, but I found some attachments
in the archives that were just as inaccessible in Thunderbird as the
ones not in the archives.

But worse, once I could see the total number of messages displayed, I
noticed that there are only about 4,000 of 11,000 messages in one of my
groups, and it looks like it's similar with the other groups. Then I
noticed that entire stretches of time were missing from the files. I
have files up to December 2017, but the next batch doesn't start until
August 2019. There are also all sorts of bizarre posts with weird dates,
just showing up at the beginning of some of the folders, so I have posts
that look like they're from 1998 or 1969, when there was no such group,
just inserted with current posts. Some of those weird posts are blank,
others are legitimate posts, some seem to be partial posts, and they
have no subject line, and have weird sender names.

Another demonstration of Yahoo's reliability....or lack thereof. Once I
got everything of mine off that system that I still can, I'm going to be
happy to walk away, and I'll never look back.

Isis
Interesting.

In the interest of completeness I've been acquiring data in any form I can from Yahoo! Groups.

The Y!G bundles, and other apps.

PGO (for Photos, I'm a group Owner so can do that, download photos.)

Also two Chrome Browser Applications (not an extensions.)

These have been used quite successfully in Vivaldi Browser (it too is Chromimum based.) The Applications wouldn't display a button as in the description/instructions so I brought them out/made visible by entering vivaldi://apps in the address bar. I then saved that on my Speed Dial page, though a Bookmark would work as well.

The one was able to grab a multi-column list of _all_ the members (no 1000 limit). Done.

Chrome Application to Download Members
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/79909487/Chrome Application to Download Members

The other was to download messages.

Chrome Application To Download Messages
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/93006447/Chrome Application To Download Messages

I took it a bit at a time, balancing a concern for the deadline and the block by Yahoo! if one tries to gobble too much at a go. Blocks of 200 to 500 to start. Being on the west coast of NA I noticed that when most folks east of me settled down for the evening I could get more done, quicker. I was able to download 1000 msgs at a time. Looking in to the saved text files of these they appeared fairly complete. I've not had time or further inclination yet to check them.

One reason I chose this belt and braces (suspenders if you prefer) approach was this application downloads the Yahoo! Group message number with the messages.

One should be able to build a number of different things from these files. I have noticed that messages that are deleted still seem to present a number, however may not appear as messages to us. This might be part of some of the differences between the total number or messages passed and what one can find. Not sure.

Cheers, John

Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

 

Isis,

I was able to get the MBOX files to display in Thunderbird, but none
of the attachments are functional.
The mbox files have only placeholders where the attachments ought to be. The attached files, if delivered to you, are in the photos_and_attachments folder. This reflects the fact that Yahoo Groups stored the attachments separately (sharing the 100 GB storage pool with Photos), if it stored them at all - which was a group option.

I also heard a rumor that the shutdown of the archives might be
postponed until the end ... of January, but I see no official notice
to that effect.
See the re-worded help page:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/understand-whats-changing-yahoo-groups-sln31010.html

The removal of user access to content is still scheduled for "after December 14th". At which point manual or PG Offline downloads will no longer be possible.

The only thing that has been extended is the deadline for making a getmydata request.

Shal


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Re: Dreaded REPLY TO request for understanding

 

John,

I was hoping for an elegant means of allowing message recipients to
reply to whom they wanted, fairly clearly (in a revealing way --
seeing who the addies are), and definitely easily. This whether from
the web interface, ...
In the Groups.io web interface the default Reply To is set by the group. This is reflected in the button (under the message composition box) saying Reply to Group, Reply to Sender, Reply to Mods, or Reply to Group & Sender. By design, the web interface does not reveal the email address of the original poster when replying to Sender or Group & Sender.

If the group doesn't check the "Remove Other Reply Options" box then the user can toggle between reply destinations using the silver buttons to the right of the Reply and Discard buttons.

webmail or an [MUA] (mail client.)
Groups.io attempts to influence the behavior of the user's email interface (MUA) by inserting a Reply-To header field matching the intent of the group's setting. However, not all email interfaces respect that header field, and among those that do they have a variety of responses. Alas.

I've seen seemingly unpredictable responses, with up to three choices,
and _no_ choices! ... Thunderbird ...
When testing Reply to List functionality I followed advice to use the configuration editor to change the default behavior:
mail.override_list_reply_to;false

In my opinion Thunderbird's default behavior is broken, but the developers obstinately assert that the world is wrong, not them.

As Duane mentioned, Groups.io briefly included the List-Reply header field, but it caused too much trouble with too many users' interfaces.

Shal


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Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

isis feral
 

I played around with it some more, and it's becoming clear now that the Yahoo data is NOT COMPLETE. I looked up some of the attachments in the archives, and at first thought that the missing attachments in the MBOX files were also missing from the archives, but I found some attachments in the archives that were just as inaccessible in Thunderbird as the ones not in the archives.

But worse, once I could see the total number of messages displayed, I noticed that there are only about 4,000 of 11,000 messages in one of my groups, and it looks like it's similar with the other groups. Then I noticed that entire stretches of time were missing from the files. I have files up to December 2017, but the next batch doesn't start until August 2019. There are also all sorts of bizarre posts with weird dates, just showing up at the beginning of some of the folders, so I have posts that look like they're from 1998 or 1969, when there was no such group, just inserted with current posts. Some of those weird posts are blank, others are legitimate posts, some seem to be partial posts, and they have no subject line, and have weird sender names.

Another demonstration of Yahoo's reliability....or lack thereof. Once I got everything of mine off that system that I still can, I'm going to be happy to walk away, and I'll never look back.

Isis

Re: Owner really messed up and got dropped #changeemail

Joseph Hudson
 

Hello David, I've had this happen before. I missed typed my email address once whenever I was changing it. And I had to have another owner send me the correct address that I typed in, so that I could login and change my email once again so I can start receiving mail. Once I knew what the email address was, that I had typed in, I was able to login and change it no problem. So you must be typing something wrong. I accidentally put a dash in the middle of my email address and I don't even have a dash in any of my email addresses.

On Dec 9, 2019, at 10:43 PM, D&J Edgar <djedgar1970@...> wrote:

I have tried signing in with old address already. No luck. Says I am not verified yet so cannot get in.

And I know the address changed as I am in the group twice. Once as owner and one as a regular member (with different email addresses). That way I can see what regular members see (as it is different than what an owner sees). So I can see my owner address was changed and I could not have verified the change since I never could have received it.

I even tried contacting the owner but it must send to the improper address, so not coming to me.

Any way for Groups to change my address to be proper or make my secondary address an owner?

David

On Dec 9, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 07:51 PM, D&J Edgar wrote:
If an email does not get confirmed will it automatically revert to before the change at some point?
It shouldn't have changed unless you clicked the link in the verification email. As Bruce said, try signing in with your original account/email.

Duane
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Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

isis feral
 

I'm just getting back to this again now, trying to figure out what's actually there in those massive files from Yahoo. I was able to get the MBOX files to display in Thunderbird, but none of the attachments are functional. They don't have any extensions. I've tried to open some that I know are PDF, but my reader wouldn't open them. I even downloaded one and changed the extension to PDF, but that didn't work either. The Yahoo data came with a folder of attachments, but they don't seem to be connected to the posts, and the attachments I tried are not included. All the attachments Thunderbird shows are called 'Part 1.2'. Is there something I'm missing? Has anyone figured out how to open message attachments in the Yahoo data files?

Yahoo sent out something a few days ago, warning of the imminent shutdown of the archives, in which they said if I request my data, they will delay the shutdown of those archives until they finish sending me the data. So it seems like requesting data again, even if we have it already might give us a little more time to maneuver. I also heard a rumor that the shutdown of the archives might be postponed until the end of the month or even the end of January, but I see no official notice to that effect. Has anyone else heard anything about that? I sure could use another couple of weeks to download all my data myself, but getting PG Offline at the last minute, if I don't know if there'll be anything left to download come Saturday, doesn't make much sense to me.

Isis

Re: message search doesn't find all results

Frances
 

Isis, go to your message and use the little down arrow below the message and choose all messages from this member.
And based on that, I can see your ID - posterid:761656
I retrieved 22 messages.

Frances



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Re: Removing test posts with no linked account

Frances
 

Re: Avoiding Approval of Every Message

Art Kocsis
 

On 12-02-2019 11:13, Frances wrote:
Spam Control -
You must choose from among these four options. At least one of these options must be set as a spam-control measure.
No, that is not strictly true. It is true for groups but not for subgroups.

Subgroups do not require any of the four boxes to be checked and allows all members to post without moderation.

This is the way all groups should be. Our groups are open, public and have over 3000 members. We had existed on Yahoo for over twenty years before transferring to GIO. During that time we never had one single incidence of SPAM being posted. It is quite an unnecessary burden and causes unnecessary delays to require moderation of first time posts for groups such as ours.

Art

Removing test posts with no linked account

Cindy in DE
 

Hi I am a moderator for a new IO group called DelawareStateFreeCycle that we are moving from Yahoo groups. 
 
I've been doing a lot of testing over the past couple of days to see how different things work. I have added and removed the same email account several times and posted messages under this email account. But now the account is no longer a member, I deleted it, and I have two test messages from this nonexistent account that are still there that I would like to delete that I don't know how to. When I go to the message, and click the "more" link the "delete" option is not there like it is for a posting for a member who is still existing in the group and posted the message.  (I already successfully deleted those)
 
Is there a way to delete these two test messages in our io group before I announce this group to our old Yahoo group for members to start signing up?  I would really like for that email account address and messages not be visible to anyone under messages.  
 
I would greatly appreciate any help someone could provide. I know I'm late in the game getting this group up and started with Yahoo groups going away very very soon....
 
And I am a beginner with io groups.
 
Thanks,
 
ºoº Cindy ºoº
 

message search doesn't find all results

isis feral
 

I just tried to find some of my own posts to this list, and put my name into the search window, and only got one result back, even though I've posted in a number of different threads.

Is there another way to display all of my own posts, that's more reliable?

Thanx.

Isis

Re: Email addresses

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 08:34 PM, John McLachlan wrote:
It seems like the system isn't realizing the difference between   @gmail.com<special>   and @gmail.com
I think the problem is that it does see the difference and both have accounts.  Joe.smith@ gmail.com and joesmith@ gmail.com are totally different people as far as GIO is concerned, every character counts.  I don't know how you'd delete the errant account if you don't have access to it.  All you can do is unsubscribe it, then add the correct one.

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Re: "CHANGE: We are no longer accepting new Yahoo Group transfer requests"?

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 08:46 PM, Dennis Steckley wrote:
Are they still going to take it and get things started soon?
Probably not.  You can contact support@groups.io and they'll arrange to refund you and delete your group.

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Re: YG Transfer numbers

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 08:14 PM, Rubens wrote:
660,000 dollars in the pockets?
We don't know for sure if that includes the groups that were transferred into subgroups (though I suspect it does), which would have been no extra charge.  We do have some evidence that another 7000 groups were created as well.  Don't forget that any income from this will need to cover the next year of expenses.  I don't think we need to be speculating.

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Re: PG O Membership Download Query

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 08:24 PM, J Forster wrote:
Where doies PG O store the downloaded membership lists?
This type of question should be asked on the PGO forums, http://personalgroupware.com/smf/index.php

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Re: "CHANGE: We are no longer accepting new Yahoo Group transfer requests"?

Dennis Steckley
 

I had a group transfer started a couple of weeks ago, but due to yahoo problems, the actual invitation to transfer@groups.io just went out yesterday.  Are they still going to take it and get things started soon?  After all, I paid good money for a transfer and did meet the initial dates, and everything proceeded as quickly as it could.

Re: Managing Database Exports #database #export

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 06:59 PM, Maria McGrath wrote:
Is there any way that we can restrict members from exporting a database that has been set up by a moderator / owner ?
If not can this be put on a Wish List ?

Thank you,
Maria
Maria,

The only way to prevent a member from exporting a table is by disabling their ability to view the table. This setting is found in Admin / Settings under the Database / Permissions section: "Subscribers cannot view, moderators can create tables"

Disabling clicking on the "Export Database" would only be an inconvenience as it is easy enough to copy and paste the information from the table while viewing it in a browser.
 
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Re: Email addresses

John McLachlan
 

So found this old topic about editing someone's email.  (The thread did have warnings about doing this)   But, I'm interested in doing this for a strange reason...

We added a bunch of emails to our group (premium, so we could do the add).   Somehow, 1 or two email addresses have special characters at the end of them (see photo).    When I edit the email, delete the special characters, then try to Save - I get the warning "That email address is already registered."

It seems like the system isn't realizing the difference between   @gmail.com<special>   and @gmail.com

- Is this a bug?
- If the system is ignoring these special characters, should I care?

thoughts?

- John Mc

Re: Dreaded REPLY TO request for understanding

JD Erskine
 

On 2019.12.12 1730, Lena wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 11:50 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:

MTA (mail transfer agent) is the technical name for an email program, for
example, Eudora or Thunderbird.
Correct term for Thunderbird and similar programs is MUA (mail user agent). The term MTA is for programs (such as Exim, Postfix, sendmail) transmitting emails from server to server.
You are quite correct. I tumbled to my misuse this morning. Was sooo tired last night, and perhaps had been talking overly much with a sys admin friend about their world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_client

I'll go hold my head now over the whole Reply thing.

Cheers, John

PG O Membership Download Query

J Forster
 

Where doies PG O store the downloaded membership lists?

Can PG O download 'bouncing' and other lists?

Thanks,

-John

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