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Re: Insert Image While Editing Message #editmemberemail #images

KWKloeber
 

 Duane wrote:
There is no insert photo button, but you can insert one manually.  You need a raw image file if you want it stored in the message.  Copy/paste it into the message. <<<

Be cautious that if you insert, it’s highly likely that (if you choose to resend to members) the paste will end up as a broken image (blank square) icon) in the email.  So if I paste I typically upload the image to somewhere (gio?) and paste the link along with the pic. 

I haven’t noticed a rhyme nor reason when pasting works or doesn’t. ***

If you’re going to resend the edited message it might be just as well to instead repost a corrected copy. 

*** I have also (noticed months afterward) that images have disappeared when I pasted them onto a wiki page. 

it seems a shame that we can insert only a local image and not insert a remove image via the image url as the SimpleForums platform allows. Naturally there’s pros and cons to remote images. 


Re: Reverse transfer?

Sandi D. <sandi.asgtechie@...>
 

Is it feasible to consider renaming both groups and their respective descriptions?
Given the content and members have been successfully transferred intactly that would seem to be one viable solution to consider. 

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Re: Can new owner can old owner?

Sandi D. <sandi.asgtechie@...>
 

Same here.

In one group that I created last year, I have a mod that I trust to self change her status to owner should I suddenly be unable make administrative decisions.

In another group I am a trusted mod who has the ability to become owner should the current owner be unable to continue. I am currently empowered to all administrative changes and I notify her as a courtesy. I have no intention of elevating my status to owner unless she steps down. We had the same arrangement on YG for 7 years but without the peace of mind that we have now. If she would have become incompacitated, there would have been no YG owner. With GIO, I can assume that role if needed. 

In a third group, I elected to make a new member of my group a "co-owner" based on email exchanges over the course of only 2 days that led to a mutual trust. We had similiar backgrounds, interests and desires to bring like minded hobbyists together. She invited all her YG members into the IO group I had created. It's a relief to us both. Her YG members have a new home and I don't need to worry about what will happen to my group should I be unable to act as owner. Of note, I would not be hurt or angry if I were "kicked out" of that group accidently or intentionally. It's still young (5 months) plus I know I can create another group at any time if we discover some irreconcilable differences between us. We are now in our second month of co-ownership and no problems have surfaced. 

It's no big deal at this point in my life (retired) to lose control over "my" groups. The whole point of my groups is to allow the members to steer the group's direction and to promote a space for courtesy exchange of information. 

There are groups that exist for entirely different reasons like announcements only or handing down directives or disseminating policy changes. Those group owners may decide its better for their group to dissolve or to re-form under new ownership. 

To my way of thinking each group is in some ways like a business. Some business are run by trusted partnerships while others have a single owner. If the owner is permanently incompacitated, the business might be inherited, merge, dissolved, etc. The transition will normally be smoother if a plan is in place and those involved in the business side of things know how to implement the plan.

In that respect, It behooves a group owner to at least consider a plan for his or her group so their intentions have a fair chance of being implemented. Especially when a group owner would like their group to continue should he or she become incompacitated. 
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Re: Catch-22: Can't Transfer Yahoo Group

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 12:17 AM, Gesine wrote:

And one thing that frequently happens, when someone is doing a significant service, and working really hard, and is addressing/helping some messy problem -- one thing that frequently happens is that people yell at THEM, rather than yelling at the cause of the messy problem.

And that is really really discouraging, to the people working really hard, the people who developed new things.

Gesine -- Thanks for your kind words of support.

Folks can't yell at Yahoo, because there's no one on the other end....so you end up unloading on anyone who will listen, which is frequently right here in GMF. It's all unfortunate, and unfair, but it is human nature. I for one am growing accustomed to it, and it's nice to know it will all be over in a couple months.

Meanwhile, here's a reminder that we do still have the IHateYahooGroups group where people having problems along these lines can go and vent their spleen.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Customization Options? #customize #links

Sandi D. <sandi.asgtechie@...>
 

Food for thought- consider the purpose of the links, their relationship and the ease of updating, adding and deleting them over the course of time. 

I recently read a GMF post about how to enter links into a database. The process seems to require a very specific series of events. I don't know how easy it would to be to manage arrangement, changes and additions to links in a GIO database but from what I have gathered in reading posts, many seem to be using the database for their links.

In my group, I opted to group our links into Wiki pages. I feel they are more organized, easier to find by members searching for a specific topic or "how to" and easily edited/managed by members so that they remain current. I made a TOC so the relavent wiki page of links can be readily found.

I am considering a third way of presenting links using our files. I haven't yet done so but I know that PDFs can be hosted under files and opened directly in a browser.
What I have in mind is to build PDFs containing resource links helpful to each volunteer's job description so that an individual member can opt to download it from our files area and tailor the page for local distribution to their committee members in their respective chapters. (Our GIO group members represent non profit chapters across the US.)

I currently have in place a formatted Google drive spreadsheet with an extensive number of links. It was created 5 years ago and is updated annually by each chapter's web manager or president. It contains the URLs of our 150+ chapters who have an online presence (websites, social media, forums and groups) along with contact information for the person who is responsible for maintaining their online presence.

Given that it is quite already in place and understood by our members I see no reason to bring it into a GIO database. Instead, the spreadsheet link is in the appropriate Wiki page and also sent annually in a post as a reminder for our members to update their chapter information. 

In summary, this may be a good time to evaluate the purpose of your aquired links and think about the best way to present them to your group members with minimal ongoing management effort. 

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Re: YG outage

Paul Jellison
 

Thank you for the update. I believe I am caught in the middle of this. I was wondering what was going on. I was getting no response on my request to add them as a member to our group.I just sat down this morning tand saw the message about transferring being halted.
Paul


Re: Pending Approvals number marker is incorrect value

Duane
 

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 05:23 AM, rogercolwell wrote:
Is there a fix for this I can implement, or is this a matter for Support, please?
This seems to happen now and then at irregular intervals.  It seems to fix itself eventually, so I don't think anyone is quite sure where the discrepency comes from.  You can report it, and any other details that you're aware of, to support.  If you get a definitive answer, please let us know what it is.

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Pending Approvals number marker is incorrect value

Roger Colwell
 

In one of my three groups, when I have no Pending Approvals I have a number marker value of -1; if there is a list of 4 Pending Approvals, for example, my number marker value is 3. If it matters, this is in the Main Group whereas its Subgroup displays the correct value, I think.

Is there a fix for this I can implement, or is this a matter for Support, please?

TIA, Roger


Re: Can new owner can old owner?

 

My group has three co-owners . .  There is still a little trust around ;-)


Re: Member listing/directory URL parameter help #membership #customize

 
Edited

Update, figured out a couple more, only one left!

I also created a wiki and linked it to the main page.

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/URL-query-parameters-usage

Cheers,
Christos


Re: Catch-22: Can't Transfer Yahoo Group

 

Hi all,

I'm not one of the folks here who are extremely familiar with the mechanics of groups.io --

but last year when we were having groups.io transfer several large groups, I remember having to make repeated attempts to have YAHOO do stuff -- and this is NOT a problem on the groups.io side, this is Yahoo being messed up. It took me, as group owner and group moderator, multiple attempts to successfully invite groups.io as a member, because yahoo groups was just being funky.  I got the purple message a number of times, and other times it just didn't work.  And then one day, the nth time, I was able to invite them successfully.   And of course now, yahoo is getting more and more messed up. 

So please don't leap to the conclusion that groups.io is evil or conning us or whatever --  I think Mark and all are doing a huge amount of work, and they're trying hard to complete transfers IN SPITE OF how yahoo groups is falling apart.

So, one could say "shame on yahoo groups", but there is **zero** reason to say "shame on groups.io".

And the meta:
And one thing that frequently happens, when someone is doing a significant service, and working really hard, and is addressing/helping some messy problem -- one thing that frequently happens is that people yell at THEM, rather than yelling at the cause of the messy problem.

And that is really really discouraging, to the people working really hard, the people who developed new things.  Gesine 


Re: Special Notices not delivered to all members who selected Special #specialnotice

 

Stan,

But after I turned off the No Email option, shouldn't they
have all received the most recent special notice?
Yes, they should have.

Could you contact one of those people to find out if they in fact received the Special Notice or not? I guess I'm poking at whether it is the send that maybe has a flaw, or the reporting.

In either case, this is sounding more and more like something where the evidence should be reported to support.

Shal


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Re: Making Titles in Digest Live Links #howto #links #question

Ann Wild
 

Oops, sorry, it's AOL synced on my iPad, not through a browser.  Just a router.


Re: Members editing and deleting their OWN messages

 

Tina,

I just sent another test message from my ‘member’ account, but...
Sadly, I still cannot delete. Very odd.
If you have more than one subscription (email address) in the group's Members list, both being members (not mods/owners) then one cannot delete the content posted by the other.

As far as Groups.io those two addresses represent different people.

So, is there any change the test message you sent from your "member" account, was actually posted from a different email address than the address you used to log in?

Shal


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Re: how to enable subscribers to send messages without approval

 

Ann,

I am new at this and couldn’t figure out how to add a response to the
people who responded to my inquiry.
The Reply function in your email interface should do the trick. As should the Reply link in the bar under each message when viewed within GMF's Messages section.

That wouldn't (easily) gather them for you, as you've done here though.

No, I didn’t check that, but I know my own email address is registered
with Groups.io,
Registered with Groups.io is different from being in the Members list of your group. An account isn't required to post messages by email, but being in your group's Members list is required.

/Allow Non Subscribers to Post/ has been checked,”

*Answer:* Good point. But I definitely did not check that option.
Unless you had checked that box. But we can disregard that now that we know it isn't checked.

*Answer:* I will double-check this, but I certainly did not
intentionally give any members posting privileges that override the
group setting.
It is probably worth checking your own Posting Privileges.

When you create a group the default Spam Control setting is "New Users Moderated". So from that time until you unchecked that box any member that joins would have that Override set in their posting privileges. I think this would include you.

On the other hand, the default "Unmoderate After" is one. So after the first time you approved your own message, or the message of any other such member, that person's messages would no longer require moderation (at least, not for that reason).

Another place to check is within the Members list itself. Look for posting-related badges (P, M, NuM, or NP) next to their email addresses.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Status-Badges-in-the-Members-List
Either M or NuM would cause that member's messages to require moderation.

I suspect I will have my own light bulb moment one of these days.
I hope you let us know what you found when that happens.

I clearly have more to write in my wiki page on message moderation, but I hope to ensure that it would have answered your question, had I written it in time. So knowing what tripped you up will help me be sure that case is covered.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-Moderation

Shal


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Re: Merge Groups

 

Greg,

Adding information to a forum is the right of anyone in the forum
actually, so I honestly do not follow your logic.
Actually, no.

The TOS requires that you have the right to add anything you post (that it is not trade-secret, or invasive of someone's privacy, or would be claimed as someone else's copyrighted work).

So importing messages in bulk runs the risk that you are importing material which you don't have the right to import. The Easy Yahoo Group Transfer mechanism actually presents a risk in that regard, but Groups.io made a conscious decision that they will rely on the Yahoo Group's admins (owner or mod) running the transfer to make that determination.

If Groups.io ever implements a way to move content from one Groups.io group to another I think it would be a mechanism that verifies the source and destination, probably not an import from an exported file.

Shal


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Re: Making Titles in Digest Live Links #howto #links #question

Ann Wild
 

For me, as it turns out, I discovered that the titles are active links using AOL through Firefox on my PC, but not active using AOL through Chrome on my iPad.  So for me, it is the device, not my email, that determines whether the links are active.


Re: Can new owner can old owner?

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 05:39 PM, Charles Roberts wrote:
I doubt if ANY group original owner thinks that's a good policy.
Most think it's a good idea, but they're the ones that trust a co-owner or only add moderators with limited permissions.  There is a big discussion on the beta group about this, but nothing has been decided as yet.

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Re: Members editing and deleting their OWN messages

Duane
 

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 08:12 PM, T Golding wrote:
It looks like it's up to the owner to somehow set what a member can and cannot do?
As far as deleting things, there are no settings.  When someone sends a messages, uploads a file, or adds photos, there's nothing an owner can do to prevent them from deleting it.  They own that item.  There are probably a couple of other things that I forgot on the list.  Owners, or moderators with proper permissions, can delete things belonging to others.

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Re: Members editing and deleting their OWN messages

T Golding
 

I'm getting confused.  I just went to one group where I'm an owner, one where I'm a mod, one where I'm a member, clicked on the more thingy, on all three groups the option to delete my post was there.  As a mod/owner, it appears I can delete anyone's post.  It looks like it's up to the owner to somehow set what a member can and cannot do?  Where might I find those settings?  this is a very complicated platform for someone who's not techy, and doesn't want to be.

Terri

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