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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails

Samuel Murray
 

On 2019/02/25 03:32 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Samuel wrote:
(The ideal would be if I could simply import an MBOX file, but I
can see how that may expose Groups.io to potential abuse.)
Mark once said he would handle that as a support request (for people
transferring from Mailman lists), but I don't think it would be appropriate to ask for that as a way of side-stepping the Premium requirement for Easy Group Transfer.
It did not occur to me to ask, but personally I would not consider it inappropriate to ask. After all, uploading an MBOX file takes much less effort than having to create such an MBOX file and then upload it (and I don't need to migrate files, members etc).

I just assumed that the option was not available, and I just assumed it was for reasons of abuse prevention (otherwise anyone can upload any mails even if they don't really have the right to use those mails -- if Mark does the transfer, he knows exactly where the mails come from).

Samuel


Re: Option to not be told that message was already approved?

 

Samuel,

Thanks for your input -- I'll clarify this when posting it as an RFE.
Hmm... This may be a reasonable request after all.


Looking at this again, I believe that the "Undelivered Mail Returned to
Sender" is not from Groups.io but from my mail provider.

I wrote:

So the only part of that message Groups.io can improve is the text of the status value, which is usually quoted somewhere in the body of the failure notice.


While that's true of an error response given during the delivery of your approval email, I don't think there's a technical reason why Groups.io couldn't accept that email and then send back a notice written as helpfully as we would like. In particular, that return notice need not be (and should not be) treated as a deferred rejection. It is just a notice that the system sent you.

Granted that extra processing would be less efficient for Groups.io's servers, and your inbound email, than the upfront rejection but that hardly seems like a heavy price to pay for an infrequent (hopefully) situation.

In the grand Notifications Overhaul (whenever that happens) the option to receive such notices could be added to the list of moderator-related notice checkboxes. Subordinate to receiving the pending message notice, possibly.

Shal
 
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Re: Bulk editing scripts for member profiles

Samuel Murray
 

On 2019/02/25 03:06 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

Since they already have control of this setting, you could send a polite message to the group requesting that they change the setting.
Asking users to change their own settings is asking for trouble. Only the most computer literate will be able to do so.

However, I do wonder why you would want to change the setting. This is the maximum size for attachments that get sent to members, or is there another setting I missed somewhere?
If I understand correctly, it is not possible to set attachment sizes for the group. You can only set the option to receive attachments, not receive attachments, or have attachments moderated.

At first I thought it would be a great idea to moderate attachments, so that I can prevent overly large or irrelevant attachments from being sent to the list, but: many people use images in their signatures... which are... attachments.

So, if I set the group to moderate all attachments, I'd have to moderate every single message with an image in the signature. That would waste my time and would make it frustrating for such members to participate.

So, what I want to do is set the group to accept all attachments, but then set every new member's profile to show attachments over 100 kb as a link. A number of users already joined the group in anticipation of the migration, to "test" the waters.

Samuel




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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails

 

Samuel,


What are your opinions about "migrating" the old messages by simply
forwarding them all to the Groups.io list before you allow any new
members to join (or: after first setting everyone to nomail)?

Bruce mentioned marking them with a hashtag, and that has an extra advantage: The hashtag can have the No Email property, avoiding the need to first set the members to No Email. A hashtag like that probably ought to also have the Use by Mods Only property.


(The ideal would be if I could simply import an MBOX file, but I can see
how that may expose Groups.io to potential abuse.)
 
Mark once said he would handle that as a support request (for people transferring from Mailman lists), but I don't think it would be appropriate to ask for that as a way of side-stepping the Premium requirement for Easy Group Transfer.

Shal

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Re: Bulk editing scripts for member profiles

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 06:06 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Hello everyone

I've decided to change one setting on each of my group's members'
profile pages (they will be free to change it back, if they prefer).
The setting is: attachment size limit 100 kb.

Are there bulk editing scripts available for me to make this change in
fewer steps than opening each member's profile page individually?

Thanks
Samuel
Since they already have control of this setting, you could send a polite message to the group requesting that they change the setting.

However, I do wonder why you would want to change the setting. This is the maximum size for attachments that get sent to members, or is there another setting I missed somewhere?
 
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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 05:06 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
What are your opinions about "migrating" the old messages by simply forwarding them all to the Groups.io list before you allow any new members to join (or: after first setting everyone to nomail)?
The only real problems with this idea are that those messages will not be readily searchable by posting date and will all show as being posted by the subscriber who did the forwarding. Depending on your situation this may be less objectionable than leaving them behind.

You might consider flagging each forwarded message by adding a hashtag or something. 

Hope this helps,
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Re: Bulk editing scripts for member profiles

Duane
 

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 04:06 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Are there bulk editing scripts available for me to make this change in fewer steps than opening each member's profile page individually?
Unfortunately, I don't think there is for this one.  You can change the Default Sub Settings for future members though.

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Re: Calendar #calendar #bug #integration

Andy Wedge
 

I have lots of recurring events and I have my calendar sync'd to Outlook 2016. I don;t normally use a Google calendar so I've just set one up.

All event dates and times appear just fine on both calendars before and after the clock change (31st March here in the UK).

Andy


Bulk editing scripts for member profiles

Samuel Murray
 

Hello everyone

I've decided to change one setting on each of my group's members' profile pages (they will be free to change it back, if they prefer). The setting is: attachment size limit 100 kb.

Are there bulk editing scripts available for me to make this change in fewer steps than opening each member's profile page individually?

Thanks
Samuel


Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails

Samuel Murray
 

Hello everyone

I have a Yahoogroups mailing list that I want to migrate to Groups.io, and it's got about 1200 old mails that I would like to migrate as well. However, it's a small group (about 20 members) and I'm not eager to spend another $110 for the message migration (I'm already spending $110 for a different group).

What are your opinions about "migrating" the old messages by simply forwarding them all to the Groups.io list before you allow any new members to join (or: after first setting everyone to nomail)?

I realise that some of the threading information will be lost, etc., but at least users will be able to search the content of all old messages.

Do you know if Groups.io has some flooding protection which may interfere with such an operation?

(The ideal would be if I could simply import an MBOX file, but I can see how that may expose Groups.io to potential abuse.)

Thanks
Samuel


Re: Non Member Posting To Group

Don Grass
 

Shal,

 

“Since you mention looking in my Spam folder, I decided to do that. Sure enough all the posts were there (I’ve never had a member’s post go into my Spam folder before), and it looks like one of the members forwarded an email by a non-member. I need to ask that member if that is what they did.”

 

I asked the member if they forwarded that post from a non-member, and this is what they said.

 

“No, not really... I originally sent it from my wife's email account so it was kicked back. Then I sent it correctly.”

 

So the non-member email address was his wife’s, which they never use in our group. Now I understand what happened.

 

Thanks everyone for trying to help me on this one.

 

Don


Re: Non Member Posting To Group

Silvia Duran <duransilvia@...>
 

I’m trying to post that this is my email but it doesn’t let me post anything it doesn’t let me see what the other  people post 

 

On Feb 24, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Chromatest J. Pantsmaker <chromatest@...> wrote:

The original author might have sent the message to the list and bcc'd it to whomever he knew was on the list. A non-careful recipient might think it was from the list and if they hit reply-all, the replies would go to the list.

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Re: Calendar #calendar #bug #integration

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:03 PM, <k1bke.cvrc@...> wrote:
I pull the group.io calendar feed into a web page.  Events that carry the correct time in the groups.io calendar become one hour early after the time change.
I assume this only happens with recurring events? We don't have any recurring events in our calendar and they seem to cross-post to Google (and by extension, our web site) just fine. Not that it isn't an annoyance either way, but if this really is a bug in GIO calendaring we need to understand the scope.

Thanks,
Bruce
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Re: Email bouncing question

Bruce Bowman
 

Hmmm...this looks very much like the [unhelpful] message GMail gives when you try to post to a group that you aren't subscribed to. In fact I just posted to your group using my GMail account, knowing that I was not a subscriber; and I got exactly the same message back.

If you continue to page down, the actual reason for rejection will probably say something like this:

The response from the remote server was:

510 5.1.1 Your email address, noname@..., is not subscribed to that group. To subscribe, send an email to WMRHSMG+subscribe@groups.io, or visit https://groups.io/g/WMRHSMG/join

If you know for a fact that the person is indeed subscribed to the group, then he's probably trying to post with an alternate email address. Look up his record in the Member's List and tell him what email address he should be using. If you can't find his subscriber record, send him an invitation.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Email bouncing question

Michael Keiser
 

this is what I have
 
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I sent a bounce probe but they receive nothing.  I tried deleting and reinviting them and nothing.  what can I do?
 
mike
 
 

Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Email bouncing question
 
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 01:28 AM, Michael Keiser wrote:
I can not figure out what is going wrong.  can anyone help?
Are the messages being formally "bounced" or are they simply not getting through?

Another possibility is that for some reason the member concerned has had their Posting Privileges set to Override: not allowed to post. Worth checking given that it only takes a few seconds.

Can the member post using the web UI?

Chris


Re: Non Member Posting To Group

Chromatest J. Pantsmaker
 

The original author might have sent the message to the list and bcc'd it to whomever he knew was on the list. A non-careful recipient might think it was from the list and if they hit reply-all, the replies would go to the list.

On Feb 24, 2019 5:06 PM, "Bruce Bowman" <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:04 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:
I recently noticed that a non-member attempted to send a message via email to my private group, and they were successful because three of our members responded to the message. As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded. I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group. What happened here?
Don -- I'm curious...how do you know that three of your subscribers responded if you didn't get any of the messages?

What are you seeing in the online message archive? If a non-subscriber sent a post and it doesn't appear in the message archive, then he was not "successful." If the non-subscriber's message did actually post, is your group set up to allow that (see Settings>Message Policies)? Could it be that another moderator approved it? 

I'm guessing that the non-subscriber sent something (or more likely, replied to something that was forwarded to him) and CC'ed some of his buddies (or vice versa). If they also do a "reply all" and the group address is among the reply-to addresses, those responses will post even when the original message did not.

Things can get messy pretty quickly when someone forwards a group message off-list.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Non Member Posting To Group

Don Grass
 

Shal,

 

What I have discovered on further research is the non-member is a member, but the email address they used to be a member, is not the email address they used to post to the group.

 

The post was made to the group using the non-member email address, along with the responses, in the Messages page.

 

In Activity it said "Non-member ... attempted to send message ... via email". For the members that responded it says “sent message…via email”

 

The group does not allow non-subscriber posts.

 

There is only one other moderator, not one of the people that responded, and Activity does not show that action. The group does not have email integration, and I receive all messages from the group.

 

I did search the All Activity tab of the group's Activity log for that non-subscriber email address, and only the "Non-member ... attempted to send message ... via email" showed up.

 

Since you mention looking in my Spam folder, I decided to do that. Sure enough all the posts were there (I’ve never had a member’s post go into my Spam folder before), and it looks like one of the members forwarded an email by a non-member. I need to ask that member if that is what they did.

 

Don

 


Re: Non Member Posting To Group

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:04 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:
I recently noticed that a non-member attempted to send a message via email to my private group, and they were successful because three of our members responded to the message. As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded. I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group. What happened here?
Don -- I'm curious...how do you know that three of your subscribers responded if you didn't get any of the messages?

What are you seeing in the online message archive? If a non-subscriber sent a post and it doesn't appear in the message archive, then he was not "successful." If the non-subscriber's message did actually post, is your group set up to allow that (see Settings>Message Policies)? Could it be that another moderator approved it? 

I'm guessing that the non-subscriber sent something (or more likely, replied to something that was forwarded to him) and CC'ed some of his buddies (or vice versa). If they also do a "reply all" and the group address is among the reply-to addresses, those responses will post even when the original message did not.

Things can get messy pretty quickly when someone forwards a group message off-list.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Non Member Posting To Group

 

Don,


As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded.


Did the post or the responses show up in the group's Messages page?

I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group.

 
What activity was shown? That is, was the original post shown as "Non-member ... attempted to send message ... via email"? Or something else?

Same question for the member replies.

The only ways I can think of for the non-member message to reach the members via the group would be if your group allows non-subscriber posts, and you or another mod approved the post, or your group has an email integration and the non-member used that to post. But either of those would result in the post being in the group's Messages page, and distributed to all members including you (assuming you receive messages from the group).

I guess another possibility is that the "non-member" spoofed a member's email address and posted as that member. But same answer: it would be in the group's pages and would have been sent to you.

So the other option is that the non-member cc'd the message to (at least) those three members off-list, and they responded off-list. But then I can't imagine how you'd see the replies in the activity log.

The remaining possibility, if those three members are also moderators, is that the non-member post was sent to the group's +owner address, and your co-moderators replied. But that still doesn't explain how the replies ended up in the activity log.

So, I'm thinking there's more to this event than you've discovered/reported. Are you sure you didn't receive these messages, perhaps in your Spam folder?

I would search the All Activity tab of the group's Activity log for that non-subscriber email address, with all actions and any date included. This may turn up additional clues.

Shal


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Non Member Posting To Group

Don Grass
 

I recently noticed that a non-member attempted to send a message via email to my private group, and they were successful because three of our members responded to the message. As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded. I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group. What happened here?

 

Don