Date   

Sent invitations

Don Dawson
 

How can I get a list of the sent invitations?  I want to send them my own email but I would rather not do them 1 at a time.
 
Thank you.
 
dd


Re: Muting a member

Mark Emmer
 

Too bad.  Our group is supposed to be about answering members' questions and providing news about upcoming events in the area.  But we have a few fluffheads who seem intent on lowering the signal-to-noise ratio with comments like "that's wonderful" or "wish I was there" and treating our 1,300 member group as their personal blog. The group owner doesn't seem to want to chastise them, so I'd be happy if at least I could mute them from my own inbox.

The system has the ability to remember my preferences for muted hashtags. I wish it could similarly remember my preference for muted e-mail addresses.

Mark
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MichocanNet.groups.io


Re: facebook page integration not working #integration

AL Guevara <al@...>
 

My Fb deal is  PAGE, not a Group, G.io specifacally says this Int. is for a PAGE, not a group.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 11:18 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
AL,

 > Been looking in PAGE settings for private/public anything, and I cant
 > find a thing that refewrs to a PAGE being  pub or pri ?

Hopefully someone else here will know. I only barely navigate Facebook.

Your page is visible to me logged in, but not when logged out. That's a
requirement for the integration because Groups.io isn't logged in to
Facebook.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16174

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Re: Major issues in my group, spoofed or something internal in IO??? Help please.

 

Thanks Shal. That's more or less what I understood from the discussion, without
being sure in the case of SPF and DKIM. I knew about DMARC from discussions
here and on Beta, and had taken action about that on my own web site (now
temporarily closed until I find a new host), where visitors could send emails
to other people direct from the site. For that I put a DMARC-valid address in
the "From" field and the sender's only in the "Reply to" field, which seemed to
work. That was quite a long time ago now. Mark's problem is of course rather
different and not so easily solved.

Jim

On 18 Aug 2018 at 16:45, Shal Farley wrote:

Jim,

> Some of my confusion comes from your reference to "talktalk servers".

They came up because the IP address that delivered your message to
Groups.io belonged to them.

> My ISP, through which I send emails, is Talktalk Residential (who use
> the talktalk.net domain).

That's the one I was referring to.

> In addition, I had not heard of either SPF or DKIM before and I'm not
> sure of the significance of either of them.

They are email authentication standards. Plus a newer one, DMARC, which
is built on those two. Most receiving services take one or more of these
tests into account when deciding whether to deliver a message to your
inbox or to your spam folder, or not at all (reject, aka "bounce" it).

> ... but since everything is working fine (and has been for 22 years
> now) I'm not proposing to make any immediate changes.

Most receiving services will make allowances for the fact that not every
legit sender uses these newer (newer than email itself anyway) standards
that have been put in place to stem the tide of viruses, robo-spam and
other abuses. Groups.io, for example, doesn't currently use those tests
on inbound messages - which left the door open to the abuse the OP
(Gilly) suffered.

So Mark is currently trying to work out how to tighten up the inbound
security, without impacting legitimate traditional use cases such as
yours. My fingers are crossed that he'll be able to do something that is
effective but low- or no-impact for use cases like yours.

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Re: facebook page integration not working #integration

 

AL,

Been looking in PAGE settings for private/public anything, and I cant
find a thing that refewrs to a PAGE being pub or pri ?
Hopefully someone else here will know. I only barely navigate Facebook.

Your page is visible to me logged in, but not when logged out. That's a requirement for the integration because Groups.io isn't logged in to Facebook.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16174

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Re: "Delete Group" button on Settings page

Leeni
 

I have never clicked the remove group button for IO groups but I imagine once you do it will ask you if that is what you really want to do. Ilene  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 8/19/2018 12:56:47 PM
Subject: [GMF] "Delete Group" button on Settings page
 
I have just in the process of migrating a large group from Yahoo which Yahoo seems to have deleted (not by me, but by Yahoo).

One of the things I found a bit scary is that on the bottom right of the Settings page of groups.io there is a "Delete Group" button.
I don't know about you but I am so used to clicking a button when it's on the bottom right of a page.

Wouldn't it be better to have that button hidden away somewhere so that you would have to click at least three things to get there?
 


"Delete Group" button on Settings page

Vijay Bhuchar
 

I have just in the process of migrating a large group from Yahoo which Yahoo seems to have deleted (not by me, but by Yahoo).

One of the things I found a bit scary is that on the bottom right of the Settings page of groups.io there is a "Delete Group" button.
I don't know about you but I am so used to clicking a button when it's on the bottom right of a page.

Wouldn't it be better to have that button hidden away somewhere so that you would have to click at least three things to get there?


Re: Topics

 

Joan,

... merging multiple conversations that will continue forever
would be a lot of work. It’s possible a sub group might be the
Perhaps I don't have a clear picture of your use case.

You want to pin a topic containing an ongoing conversation, yet not form the conversation by replies?

If what you're posting is akin to an index of available chats perhaps it should be a single post that you edit periodically.

If what you're posting is akin to a periodic "free-for-all" topic where members can stray from the normal group topic maybe it needn't be pinned or merged.

An example is the "Groups.io site updates #changelog" set of posts in GMF. I create each as a New Topic (via email) and initially sought a way to gather them as a single topic. Then I realized that would be ungainly for members to use: eventually the latest one would be at the bottom of a very long topic full of stale ones.

So instead I rely on the hashtag #changelog to make them all findable, if a member wants to refer to the old ones.

It’s possible a sub group might be the answer....
Possibly.

That is a common choice in forum structures, where casual, off-topic, or meta-topic conversations can be had outside of the main forum. Sometimes these are referred to as cafe or lounge areas.

An advantage of using a subgroup for this is that the extraneous postings are not presented to (or emailed to) the main members, unless they join the subgroup. And in the subgroup each member has a separate set of subscription controls - a member could receive individual messages from the main group, for example, but digests from the subgroup.

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And then there's the Chat feature. But that may be a wholly different thing than what you have in mind.

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Re: facebook page integration not working #integration

AL Guevara <al@...>
 

Hi Shai, thanks for the response.

Been looking in PAGE settings for private/public anything, and I cant find a thing that refewrs to a PAGE being  pub or pri ?


Re: Topics

Joan C
 

Thanks for the help. I don’t think locking the topic will solve our problem and merging multiple conversations that will continue forever would be a lot of work. It’s possible a sub group might be the answer....will have to see how those work. 
Joan C


Re: facebook page integration not working #integration

 

Al,

Please see error Im getting.
The page must be public -- one must be able to view it without logging in to Facebook. Yours cannot.

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facebook page integration not working #integration

AL Guevara <al@...>
 

Please see error Im getting.


Re: Major issues in my group, spoofed or something internal in IO??? Help please.

 

Jim,

Some of my confusion comes from your reference to "talktalk servers".
They came up because the IP address that delivered your message to Groups.io belonged to them.

My ISP, through which I send emails, is Talktalk Residential (who use
the talktalk.net domain).
That's the one I was referring to.

In addition, I had not heard of either SPF or DKIM before and I'm not
sure of the significance of either of them.
They are email authentication standards. Plus a newer one, DMARC, which is built on those two. Most receiving services take one or more of these tests into account when deciding whether to deliver a message to your inbox or to your spam folder, or not at all (reject, aka "bounce" it).

... but since everything is working fine (and has been for 22 years
now) I'm not proposing to make any immediate changes.
Most receiving services will make allowances for the fact that not every legit sender uses these newer (newer than email itself anyway) standards that have been put in place to stem the tide of viruses, robo-spam and other abuses. Groups.io, for example, doesn't currently use those tests on inbound messages - which left the door open to the abuse the OP (Gilly) suffered.

So Mark is currently trying to work out how to tighten up the inbound security, without impacting legitimate traditional use cases such as yours. My fingers are crossed that he'll be able to do something that is effective but low- or no-impact for use cases like yours.

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Re: When a group is deleted, are all backups deleted too? #groupowner #Discussion

 

I get the feeling you are really asking about what happens to your existing group at Yahoo. The answer is nothing. Groups.io just makes a copy.

When my group was transferred I immediately put the Yahoo  group on moderated status, and I edited the home page to point to groups.io. It has been over a year and the Yahoo group is still there, unused. If you want the Yahoo group as backup it will stay there until Yahoo goes belly-up.


Re: Major issues in my group, spoofed or something internal in IO??? Help please.

 

Thanks Shal. I don't fully understand what you are saying, but since everything
is working fine (and has been for 22 years now) I'm not proposing to make any
immediate changes.

Some of my confusion comes from your reference to "talktalk servers". There are
two parts of Talktalk involved, which hardly seem aware of one anothers'
existence. My domain name is registered with Talktalk Business (I think they
use talktalk.co.uk), and that is where I receive emails. My ISP, through which
I send emails, is Talktalk Residential (who use the talktalk.net domain).

In addition, I had not heard of either SPF or DKIM before and I'm not sure of
the significance of either of them.

Jim

On 16 Aug 2018 at 13:11, Shal Farley wrote:

Jim,

Another cae would be my own. My outbound email is sent via my ISP (domain
=
talktalk.net) but I receive message (and show as the "from" address when
I
send) my own domain at jimella.co.uk, which is hosted separately. I have
no
problems of that sort with either groups.io or Yahoo.
I got the details wrong. It isn't that the envelope-from matched the
delivering service, it is that the domain of the envelope-from is listed in the
DNS system as a mail service, but doesn't exclude the delivering IP address in
its SPF record.

talktalk.net is using your email address, including your custom domain, in
the MAIL FROM during the SMTP connection (the "envelope-from"), your domain has
a DNS entry, that specifies talktalk servers for delivery of mail, but has no
published SPF record. Ideally it would, and that would list talktalk's servers
as valid senders.

Another thing talktalk isn't doing for you is DKIM signing your outbound
messages. But you would have to give them an identity certificate for them
to do so. Fortunately those are now available for free from Let's Encrypt
<https://letsencrypt.org/>, but not all email services support using them.

I got a bit deeper educated on this this than I expected as a result of
discussing Gilly's case with Mark. He's working on better authentication so as
to head off such things, but is a bit stymied by the (large enough) fraction of
legit users who's messages wouldn't pass a more stringent test. I'm not exactly
sure which side of that yours would fall, but I think ok. Certainly ok if yours
were DKIM-signed by your domain (and your DNS records pointed to your
certificate). Or, if your domain had an SPF record that lists or refers to
talktalk's outbound servers. I think either would be good enough to pass, for
example, a DMARC test.

Shal



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Re: When a group is deleted, are all backups deleted too? #groupowner #Discussion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 02:10 AM, <birrell@...> wrote:
We are about to create a new group.  One of the users wanted to know whether all backups of the group's messages are deleted if the group is deleted?
You question is ambiguous with regard to what your user's concern is. Assuming a backup of some kind is a *desirable* thing, you can create your own backup. Navigate to Admin>Settings and click on the "Export Group Data" button at the top.

Actually restoring your group from backup is another matter entirely...there is currently no way to do that via the user interface.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 04:53 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
This is handy as a short and easy to type URL when telling people about your group. In most browsers you don't even need to type the https:// part when entering it into the address bar. And once you've used it a time or two your browser will likely auto-complete it for you as you type your group name. Slick!
And it would be even cooler if this group also had an alias such as "gmf".
 
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Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Hi all,

This week's change log:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/18006

Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


BUGFIX: For groups without subgroups, you can now go to
https://groupname.groups.io, and it will redirect correctly.
This is handy as a short and easy to type URL when telling people about your group. In most browsers you don't even need to type the https:// part when entering it into the address bar. And once you've used it a time or two your browser will likely auto-complete it for you as you type your group name. Slick!

This also means that your group's subdomain is propagated into the DNS system soon after group creation. So when you later create your first subgroup you won't have a "dead time" when you can't get to your group, as some have reported here in GMF.


NEW: Added a section to the Help about the FBL and people being
removed because of spam.
Short and to the point:
https://groups.io/static/help#a-member-was-removed-because-of-spam
We should update ours to cite it.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam


NEW: When viewing a subgroup where you aren't subscribed, but you are
a mod/owner of the parent group, the tag on the sidebar will now say
'Parent Mod' or 'Parent Owner'.
Excellent. This might be why he widened the left column, but it may be worth it in terms of clarifying a somewhat mysterious behavior (primary group mods and owners automatically have mod or owner access in all subgroups).


NEW: On the pending message screen, if you use the Approve &
Unmoderate Button to approve messages from non subscribers, a dialog
will now pop up telling you that these people cannot be unmoderated
(because they're not members).
Joe reported a bug involving this function. If you get a confirmation dialog that is titled "Confirm Delete" - don't. It actually deletes the pending message instead of approving it. Use the "Approve" button instead of "Approve & Unmoderate Senders" for non-subscribers (at least until this bug is fixed).
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/11180


CHANGE: Don't fig leaf email addresses when viewing source.
This was a leftover of when members could use view source. I kind of miss that, but I understand why it may be too revealing, fig-leafs notwithstanding.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

SYSADMIN: Upgraded the main database instance.
BUGFIX: Fixed escaping of special characters in search query strings.
BUGFIX: Fixed two bugs in the DKIM verifying library we use.
BUGFIX: The 'Bulk Remove' button was being shown to some moderators
who didn't have the right permission to use it (they were not able
to actually use the feature).
CHANGE: Tweaked the sidebar width in certain instances, making it a
little larger.
BUGFIX: Disabled the 'Subscribe to Calendar' button for subgroups
where you are not a subscriber (but are owner of the parent group).
CHANGE: Parallelized updating the DNS servers to speed subgroup
creation up.
BUGFIX: Fixed a problem with repeating event reminders that could
cause some of them to not be sent.
BUGFIX: Fixed some labels on the group settings page for screen
readers.
CHANGE: Added wording on Display Name edit pages: "Note: When you
post, your email address is also shown to group members who receive
messages via email."
CHANGE: Upgraded Go toolchain from 9.4 to 10.3. This unexpectedly
broke several parts of the web site that dealt with uploading files.
Fixed.
SYSADMIN: Upgraded main bastion host.
NEW: Adding Authentication-Results header line showing DKIM/SPF tests.
Only visible when viewing message source in the archives.
SYSADMIN: Renewed *.groups.io ssl certificate.
CHANGE: When posting a message, ignore returns clicked when editing
the subject.
BUGFIX: When viewing or editing an individual database row that has a
date column, the date displayed would always be today.
BUGFIX: When viewing or editing an individual database row that has an
empty date column, the date displayed would always be today.
Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Re: When a group is deleted, are all backups deleted too? #groupowner #Discussion

Toby Kraft
 

I assume you are referring to the data backups maintained by groups.io for disaster recovery.  This is a question support would have to answer but it is highly unlikely.  The group's data would remain in the backup tapes/files as long as the backup copy is retained.  If you have concerns contact support@groups.io.
Toby


Re: Revised invite wording

 

dd,

You fixed it! It’s working fine now. Thank you for your help.
Where "you" in this case refers to Mark at Groups.io (who is not a member of GMF).
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/17976

Shal


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