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Re: Help figure out DMARC failure

Mark Berry
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 06:31 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I misremembered. It is also in effect for senders with p=quarantine. That make sense.

For a day or so it also included p=none, but that was rolled back.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/71411298#24288

Comparing email headers from your message ... both follow the form
"username=domain<at>groups.io".
There are other circumstances where Groups.io applies DMARC rewriting. One is me receiving my own messages back, because otherwise Gmail puts up a big bright and annoying warning about the message not actually being from me. But Gmail's inbound processing doesn't seem to object to other addresses being spoofed, even other Gmail addresses.
Just closing the loop on this. Changing DMARC from p=none to p=reject in fact had no effect on the From header for messages back to myself. Maybe it changed for messages sent to others--I am no longer receiving DMARC failure reports re. groups.io. Wish there was comprehensive documentation about header re-writing and DMARC--it's frustrating to be trying to piece together how this works. Thanks Shal for carrying the historical feature update index in your head!

Re: video clip storage

Ken Kloeber
 

Beth
we have a vid saved in the files - it was actually a transfer over from YahCHOO! I believe. 

I created a folder “wiki_files” and store any wiki stuff there so I can easily find and edit in the future. So you could create a sort of Vid index page on wiki if you have a lot of vids and link to each one or groups of vids in different folders.  Or do the same in a sticky message that you just update/save (or resend) if editing is turned on.  I do that with a continuing boater safety message that has updated info (PDFs, not vids) every so often. 

And of course you can attach a vid right to a message (unsure where on G.io that gets saved?)

 

Replying to messages with attachments #attachments

Michal Sirton
 

A group member forwarded a message with 2 short attachments last week. On the groups.io site the attachments look like this and I can open and read them:



Another member replied to the post today, and in the email I received, the quoted text from the previous message didn't include the actual attachments, only:
<mime-attachment>
<mime-attachment>

I logged into groups.io, and I see them same thing in the quoted text. So those of us who deleted the original post in our email can only see the attachments by logging into groups.io and finding the original post. Is this just the way groups.io works or is there some setting that will make sure attachments are included again in every message in a thread?

Interestingly, I replied to the original message but changed the subject line and, when I did that, no quoted text at all was included in my message.

Michal






Re: video clip storage

BMaverick
 

Andy,

We ended up using BOX Storage.  It's 10Gb free space for the free account.  Our group decided to have a Wiki page with listed resources to post the storage links.  Thus, what's only saved on the files or photos now are message attachments. 

BMaverick

Re: Help figure out DMARC failure

Mark Berry
 

JIm,

I've added a report in beta.

I saw one DKIM succeed in an MxToolbox check. I think it was an email from Yahoo. I wonder if part of the issue is rotating keys. If they use, say, two selectors and rotate the keys back and forth between them every couple days, checking old message would fail.

I see your PTR about 66.175.222.108 (pun intended!)..

I turned on p=reject a couple days ago. I'll be interested to see if this message makes it through--and how my From appears now.

My understanding is that even with strict DMARC, if either SPF or DKIM passes, the message passes DMARC.Strict just means exclude subdomains.

I don't mind discussing off list but I also see value in posting non-private info publically in case it helps others in the future.

Mark

Re: video clip storage

 

For video clips, MP4s, etc. that you want to share with people --

WeTransfer has been very helpful.

There is a free version of the service, can upload/send a link to up to 2 GB -- the link for people to download expires in I think 2 weeks.  There is no storage.

The "pro" version is $12/month, you can send up to 20 GB, can store up to 1 TB, and you can have the links either expire, or can have them permanent -- (and you can edit this as time goes on).

So that'd be $240/year for the pro version -- Some musician friends and I find this worth doing, to share large video and audio files and have them available to participants, etc.

We Transfer has been safe, pretty easy to use (downloading is pretty fast, we have slow internet so it takes us a bit of time to upload but it has worked well).

Gesine

 

 

 

Re: Major changes for new Basic groups

Duane
 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 05:57 AM, CVActor wrote:
So, just to clarify, if you are a basic group now, or want to downgrade to one before August 24, your group won't lose the extras like photos, etal?
Existing groups will keep whatever features were available when they were created, no matter when the change takes place, as stated in Mark's message https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25916.

Duane
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Re: video clip storage

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:26 AM, Duane wrote:
You can store them in the files section, but they can take a lot of storage. 
You can also put links in your Files section to some other cloud storage locations such as Dropbox and Google Drive which means you won't use your storage. Check out the options on the drop down menu on the +New button at the top of the Files section page.

Andy

Re: Major changes for new Basic groups

CVActor
 

So, just to clarify, if you are a basic group now, or want to downgrade to one before August 24, your group won't lose the extras like photos, etal?

Please let me know.

Thank you,
Cindi

Re: video clip storage

 

You should be able to store video clips in Files section.  After all,  video clips are computer files.  I have been able to store MP4 files that are videos.
Mahendra Bakshi.

Re: video clip storage

Duane
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 06:09 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
if we can store video clips in either our files or photos sections
You can store them in the files section, but they can take a lot of storage.  The file size is limited to 100MB in Basic groups and 500MB in paid groups.

Duane
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video clip storage

Beth Weld
 

In this fun time of zoom and other online meetings, I have been asked if we can store video clips in either our files or photos sections.  I have looked in the new help documents which are great, but I can't find anything.  I really don't want to have to come up with another storage idea for these types of files.
Thanks
Beth

Re: Major changes for new Basic groups

ELM
 

Thanks, that's helpful and welcome information.

Re: Multiple copies of messages to one email address

Duane
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 02:57 PM, Susan Downing-Thompson wrote:
Any advice of how to correct this?
Have them check the footer of the messages.  Each will show the email address it was sent to.  It could also be related to the email service they use.  Network Solutions is one that is known to have problems with GIO emails.  Mark has made a change, but no information on whether it helped.

Duane
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Multiple copies of messages to one email address

Susan Downing-Thompson
 

I have one member of my group who routinely receives two copies of each post to the group.  As opposed to the one copy of the message all other members receive.

Any advice of how to correct this?

Susan

Re: Major changes for new Basic groups

Duane
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 08:51 AM, ELM wrote:
Help me understand this about the "grandfathered" rule.
Mark clarified this a bit ago, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25916

Duane
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Re: Major changes for new Basic groups

Rubens
 

...
ELM| Help me understand this about
| the "grandfathered" rule.


In short: when the Groups.io rules change,
your group does not lose the "rights" it
already had when you created it.

For example: suppose your group was entitled
to free subgroups. One day the rules change
and subgroups are only offered in the payed
Premium plan. However, your group will still
retain the right to free subgroups (without
paying for it), because your group exists
prior to the changes.


[ ] Rubens











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Re: Help figure out DMARC failure

Jim Wilson
 

@Mark Berry, you may be correct in assuming the DKIM signature is being spoofed or the keys have somehow been compromised. I would definitely create a bug report on beta (https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topics) to post the relevant parts of that DMARC report, describe what you found and alert Mark Fletcher. I will jump in to concur when I see it.

Another curious aspect to DKIM I've found is that messages which clearly show "dkim=pass" in the Authentication section have all failed third-party checks so there is either something different in the Gmail "show original" output or the third-party checks are unreliable. It really makes me wonder about accurate implementation among the major mail providers. That could be a factor. I'm not a DKIM guru yet but it looks like I may be working on it.


FYI, "include:groups.io" does work and very well. I have verified this many times. As far as other Linode customers, the PTR record for 66.175.222.12 is web01.groups.io and the PTR for 66.175.222.108 is mail02.groups.io so there should be nothing but GIO email on either.

Also, FYI, this is an excellent illustration of alignment: https://dmarcian.com/alignment/

I'm also starting to think that major providers such as Google and Yahoo are ignoring implicit "strict" DMARC statements because they are passing emails from MS servers that clearly indicate SPF is not aligned. After performing a Message Trace on O365, I found bogus "Undeliverable" messages from the Postmaster (admin) account being returned to questionable Gmail addresses in Chinese so I'm studying whether I can do anything about that.




Perhaps we should take this off-list as this is getting long here. If you agree, reply private and I'll reply back.
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Jim

Re: Major changes for new Basic groups

Glenn Glazer
 

On 8/11/2020 04:14, Jim Bollman wrote:
I have thought for a long time that Mark needs another group level, now would be the time. Something at about half the cost of Premium with more storage space (not full Premium) and some of the other Premium features and those lost in this change. Our group is grandfathered for now but not sure we would exist at full Premium price but half we could justify.
Speaking as a software engineer myself, I would make the following points:

1) This would be a lot of work.
2) This would greatly increase the code complexity and the number of special cases involved. Complexity is the enemy of robustness, the more complex something is, the more likely it is to have hidden or unforeseen bugs.

Best,

Glenn

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Re: Major changes for new Basic groups

ELM
 

Help me understand this about the "grandfathered" rule.  We transferred over from Yahoo groups so we needed to go to the Premium level.  We're paid through October or November 2020.  However, we planned on going down to basic membership after this.  Does this mean we're stuck on Premium until October/November and can't go to basic before the August 24th deadline?  Or can we drop down and then be "grandfathered" in at a free level?

It's a lot of money to be spending per year when we don't need the extra storage space.  We're a small group, so $220 per year is a heck of a lot.

What can/should we do?