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Diesel salesman; was Re: Any Ah ? Whimsical, ...NOMAD aka Hanging the Diesel Salesman.


Mark Cartwright
 

I have one particular model....which I perhaps should not mention.
What the Hell....
It's the Headquarters ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_R5fK73Eaw

Of the National Organization of Modelers and Ardained  Designers.
(Some Layout Plans actually DON'T Work.; except perhaps for short diesels and even then...Not without a lot of tweaking and refining.)
NOMAD
I cheated some what though...
I used a 1:6th NOMAD Model for my N Scale Building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK8G35vsrZc
We have Structures in California...but I digress.
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There are specifications for Model Railroading which are Non-Sequitur.
This results in a Changeling...Model Railroad (aka Bastardized Turnout.)
If you actually begin to create/develop a functioning/operational layout ..for High Speed Rail or for that matter...
N Scale Long Articulated Steam Trains...
You begin to doubt all that which you have been told.
http://www.sumidacrossing.org/Musings/files/150419_Track_Turnouts_and_Servos.php
A few of us are not alone in our musings.
http://www.railwayeng.com/rrhints.htm

Creating an Operational/Functional N Scale Layout ? 
At least in N Scale...Turnouts are a major obstacle.
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Back to...Hanging the Diesel Salesman.
N Scale as it is out of the box is okay for Diesels....but for HSR and Long Steam Locomotives ?
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>>>. John Allen didn't use a Track Gauge.<<<
Just using a NMRA Track Gauge ain't even the half of it.
In N Scale at least...
Hang the Diesel Salesman !!!
I take a riffler file to the top upper inside quadrant of Code 55...to round the edge...
Then as I have the time...I spin the metal wheel in a drill to angle the conical shape of the wheel with a sharp flat file.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agd8B-31bjE
Just a slight bit...In N Scale microns of an inch matter.
Flanges don't really matter until they get to a Turnout Yet, you don't want to slop them up either.
Again the Angle of the Wheel as it floats to the Rail...Guides the train.
Plastic Sloppy Wheels and Rapido couplers ?
NO !!!
Metal Wheels fitted to the railways ? (Body Mounted MTL Couplers too)
YES !!! but not loose.
Instead..I am tightening specifications for N Scale Turnouts/Rails/Metal Wheels; while subscribing to the Prototypes Turnouts/Curves as simply being larger.
Huh? 
Back to the Steam Locomotives and it's many driving wheels (all gauged and re-rounded of course).
====>. I am a strong believer in Roller Bearing Blocks for N Scale Steam.
http://www.spookshow.net/loco/katogs4.html
Which need to fit precisely ...
Then give way to wider radius on your layout's curves or the tightened up specifications cause the Driver Rods to pop off ....
Where you then find yourself looking for the Driver-Rod/Crank pins.
:)) Mark

Can a GS be made proper in the first place to N Scale ?
http://www.spookshow.net/loco/more484.html
Yes....
But I am still too scared to try to DCC/Sound one of them.



 

Hang the diesel salesman.... hey there's a good idea for we steamer types......Damn JWA already did that. Oh well, diesels are the seeds of all evil so I''ll all number all my diesels 666.


Kurt Youngmann
 

The unit to the far right and 2 more at the rear look like Model Die Cast / Roundhouse original diesels, the one that was built for the B & O and bought by other railroads as well (the CNW had 3 of them for use in downtown Chicago switching areas where steam wasn’t welcome).

I had bought one years before DCC and, when I made the conversion, I was never able to get a DCC-friendly motor into it. So it sat idle until I dismantled my layout and dispensed with 50 years + of equipment. 

Kurt Youngmann

On Jun 23, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Russ Desmond via Groups.Io <capdes101@...> wrote:

Hang the diesel salesman.... hey there's a good idea for we steamer types......Damn JWA already did that. Oh well, diesels are the seeds of all evil so I''ll all number all my diesels 666. <IMG_1086.JPG>


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Yup your right Kurt Model Die Casting / Roundhouse. There all the same loco just available with 2 different shells (plus a track cleaning version for both.too).  Low geared and slow exactly the prototype performance I desire.. I have 12 of them, 5 outfitted as climax's and 7 as box cab diesels..We run fleets of locomotives here on the Agamenticus & Easton RR that cuts down on necessary inventory and overhead the RR has to maintain in stock for repairs and operations.


Charles Kinzer
 

If you want photos for details, here are two photos I took last October at the Henry Ford Museum and the Illinois Railway Museum respectively.  Perhaps these could have snuck in under John Allen’s “no diesels” radar because they have a face that “only a mother could love”.  I think these could fit quite nicely on a G&D style layout, but perhaps not with the paint job on the one at the Illinois Railway Museum.

 

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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Subject: Re: [GandD] Diesel salesman; was Re: Any Ah ? Whimsical, ...NOMAD aka Hanging the Diesel Salesman.

 

Yup your right Kurt Model Die Casting / Roundhouse. There all the same loco just available with 2 different shells (plus a track cleaning version for both.too).  Low geared and slow exactly the prototype performance I desire.. I have 12 of them, 5 outfitted as climax's and 7 as box cab diesels..We run fleets of locomotives here on the Agamenticus & Easton RR that cuts down on necessary inventory and overhead the RR has to maintain in stock for repairs and operations.

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Jeffrey L Witt
 

If these are using the stock drives, the noise from one of these lash-ups must be deafening! I also have several of these...


 

Oh ya they are noisy as hell.and I don't know why as I have lubed the whole drive train but they still raise a racket. My sight and sound modual covers that up during operations however.  The sight part of the railroad includes full color and theatrical lighting over the layout  The sound part includes 7 old boom boxes with localized sound..... waves crashing on the shore near the seaport, a bell bouy offshore ringing in the storm waves, meanwhile sea gulls crying out their song overhead. Duck and chicken sounds near the farm areas  Waterfall sounds by the river and waterfall. Chainsaw and axe sounds near the logging area. The metal squeal of wheel sounds with the crash of cars coupling and bells and whistles in the background in the yard areas  Ambient traffic sounds in the area of the varied towns (usually located near the black foot lights just over the crest of the hill in behind the town, On top of all this localized sound is my main stereo in the ceiling. This features storm sounds, birds chirping, the peepers in the swamp in spring, bull frogs in summer. The howling of the wind in a winter Nor'easter or the crash of thunder in a summer storm (there is a strobe light for that effect in the theatrical lights overhead) What sound tracks added and played easily drowns out the drive noise of the MDC locos. Then again as the whim fancy's me there could be Zepplin, Tull, The Who, Heart, Fleetwood Mac, Rush and many other sounds unique to the children of the 60's and 70's and of course it's all played at loud volume. There is such a crescendo of sound that train transmission noise is easily lost or just doesn't resister to the viewer


 

Thanks for the reference photos. Part of my use of fleets allows me to bring one whole fleet in at a time and modify it and super detail it. Although they are all the same loco they are all have different smoke stacks, tenders, and detail parts often added in different locations on the locos. That makes each loco distinct. Also I use the JWA method of carrying the railroad monika on my tenders and unit number on the locos that way I can swap tenders around to further confuse the casual viewer.