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"The Book", woooo hoooo...


David Thomas
 

Not being able to get hold of a copy of The Book in English, I finally managed to find a copy of the 1993 French language edition (actually published in Belgium) and am pleased to report that the quality of reproduction is excellent. It is based on the Kalmbach  editions and I can't detect any difference in the picture quality.
It was translated and published, by agreement, by Jacques le Plat, a deservedly well known Belgian modeller whose own large Ferbach layout, about which he has written numerous articles, was set in French Alsace. Having had some of my own articles published in French translation I've been in touch with Jacques who knew Linn Westcott. He made the interesting point that translating such a book requires not only good linguistic skills, including the specialist languages of rairoads, but a knowledge of and sympathy with the subject.

It was also quite fun to see the seven eastbound trains in timetable no 2. referred to as SENS PAIR (even) and the seven westbounds as SENS IMPAIR (odd). In France "even" trains are normally toward Paris and "odd" away from Paris (rather as British UP trains are normally towards London and DOWN trains from London) 
(Off Topic:  but the London Underground still reveals the financial origins of the first "tube" (deep level) lines by using some distinctly American terminology with westbound (et al) trains made up of cars that used to be driven by motormen.


Joseph Melhorn
 

Miracle of miracles! I’m now in possession of the coveted “Revised Edition” of the book! It arrived in today’s mail, and it looks like it was never used, crisp, tight, unmarred pages and the dust cover is clean with no tears or folds. Wow, I’m stoked. For everyone’s info, here are the three versions of “The Book” with publishing info and ISBN, to aid you in your own searches:

Model Railroading with John Allen by Linn H. Westcott

Published by Kalmbach Publishing Company, Books Division - 1981 (1st ed.)

Paperback edition

ISBN 10: 0890245592 - ISBN 13: 9780890245590

 

Model Railroading with John Allen by Linn H. Westcott

Publisher: Kalmbach Pub Co. - 1996

Hardcover edition

ISBN 10: 0890242984 - ISBN 13: 9780890242988

 

Model Railroading with John Allen by Bob Hayden and Linn H. Westcott

Publisher: Benchmark Publications, Incorporated - 2011

Hardcover edition

ISBN-10: 096154676x - ISBN-13: 9780961546762

 

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ

 


Bill P
 

A Little bit of humor.
Just wondering if anyone would catch the Houndhouse - "Arf-Arf"

All for now.  Bill (bcd9 )  ∑:=) - "Meow-Meow"


Rick Jones
 

On 7/7/2019 1:06 PM, Jeffrey L Witt via Groups.Io wrote:
It's only the 34' green combine and coach (Overtons in MDC parlance?) that have the mis-spelling on the bodies.
The 34' red Overtons and the 50' red Overlands don't.
Ah, OK! I have the set of long cars.

--

Rick Jones

Lord, please make me the kind of person my dog thinks I am.


Jeffrey L Witt
 

It's only the 34' green combine and coach (Overtons in MDC parlance?) that have the mis-spelling on the bodies.

The 34' red Overtons and the 50' red Overlands don't.

Jeff

http://gdlines.org/GDLines/GD_Galleries/Commemoratives/Freed_Collection/slides/100_0552-orig.html


Bob Friddle
 

Ha ha, houndhouse! Another amusing auto correct accident. 

Thanks,


Bob Friddle


On Jul 7, 2019, at 9:19 AM, Rick Jones via Groups.Io <r.t.jones@...> wrote:

On 7/7/2019 6:14 AM, blackcatd9 via Groups.Io wrote:
As long as we are looking at nonconformities in production - once again, maybe someone can explain why this happened and was not corrected.
The G & D Cars produced by Houndhouse: The top of the cars are silk screened Gorre & Daphetid.
The middle of the cars are silk screened Gorre and Dephetid. What is the significance of the two different spellings of Daphetid. "A" vs "E" on some of the coaches. Example: #1002 Overton Combine & #1003 Coach.There was no recall, correction or explanation from the Company as far as I can find.
Any other data available as to ???A??? vs ???E???.

  I just looked at my set of cars and none of them have the name repeated across the middle of the car, only along the top edge, and it's spelled "Daphetid" on all of them. The middle of the cars have the car name - Mt. Alexander, Mousebelly, etc.

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                 Rick Jones

Only in America do people order double cheeseburgers, large
fries and a Diet Coke.




Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

I have that car and noticed it years ago. I think that has also been mentioned on our group before.

Not that they were using a computer back then, but "Spell Check" wouldn't have picked it up. (I added GD to my dictionary.)

Hey, although it's not a coin, it might be somewhat of a collector's item.

BTW, I think "Houndhouse" is kind of a cool name.

--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Rick Jones
 

On 7/7/2019 6:14 AM, blackcatd9 via Groups.Io wrote:
As long as we are looking at nonconformities in production - once again, maybe someone can explain why this happened and was not corrected.
The G & D Cars produced by Houndhouse: The top of the cars are silk screened Gorre & Daphetid.
The middle of the cars are silk screened Gorre and Dephetid. What is the significance of the two different spellings of Daphetid. "A" vs "E" on some of the coaches. Example: #1002 Overton Combine & #1003 Coach.There was no recall, correction or explanation from the Company as far as I can find.
Any other data available as to ???A??? vs ???E???.
I just looked at my set of cars and none of them have the name repeated across the middle of the car, only along the top edge, and it's spelled "Daphetid" on all of them. The middle of the cars have the car name - Mt. Alexander, Mousebelly, etc.

--

Rick Jones

Only in America do people order double cheeseburgers, large
fries and a Diet Coke.


Randy Lee Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

Thats funny, I never caught that...  a total mistake if it's true.  "Daphetid" is correct.   
   I have to go look through some cars now and check.  
     I have to admit that is an odd mistake to make by a company considering they had some of the spelling correct.  They know railroad names can be tricky at times... and the GD stuff had an odd name, more need to check closer.  It seems that someone there should have caught that, considering that is what they do as their job description.  

Randy    


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 7:14 AM blackcatd9 via Groups.Io <blackcatd9=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

As long as we are looking at nonconformities in production - once again, maybe someone can explain why this happened and was not corrected.

The G & D Cars produced by Houndhouse: The top of the cars are silk screened Gorre & Daphetid.

The middle of the cars are silk screened Gorre and Dephetid.  What is the significance of the two different spellings of Daphetid.  "A" vs "E" on some of the coaches.  Example: #1002 Overton Combine & #1003 Coach.  There was no recall, correction or explanation from the Company as far as I can find.

Any other data available as to “A” vs “E”.

 

bcd9   ∑:=)


Bill P
 

As long as we are looking at nonconformities in production - once again, maybe someone can explain why this happened and was not corrected.

The G & D Cars produced by Houndhouse: The top of the cars are silk screened Gorre & Daphetid.

The middle of the cars are silk screened Gorre and Dephetid.  What is the significance of the two different spellings of Daphetid.  "A" vs "E" on some of the coaches.  Example: #1002 Overton Combine & #1003 Coach.  There was no recall, correction or explanation from the Company as far as I can find.

Any other data available as to “A” vs “E”.

 

bcd9   ∑:=)


 

Am I the only one out here who thinks that "The Book" and other out of print and hard to find publications from Kalmbach and others need to be made available as "Kindle" editions? Another classic that immediately comes to mind is "Scenery for Model Railroads".


Charles Kinzer
 

I did some side by side comparisons of Kalmbach versus Hayden.  The print quality seemed the same, but the color tone very slightly different.  They were close, but one was slightly “warmer” and the other slightly “cooler”.  I forget which was which.  And you probably would never notice unless you had them adjacent to each other.  There was a French reprint that had very good printing quality (

 

Here is the cover of the French translation version for anyone who has never seen it.  There are still many languages it hasn’t been translated into, but this is a start.

 

 

And regarding those all important triangles I previously mentioned.  Here is a side by side Kalmbach vs. Benchmark comparison where the Benchmark had the unequal side length triangles more aesthetically correct by being symmetrical around center lines.  Bob Hayden said he had never noticed how they were on the Kalmbach prints and it seems he did correct it.  I suspect that because I noticed this detail, I might either be in great demand to be a judge at NMRA contests or perhaps forever rejected from being a judge at NMRA contests.

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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From: Jeffrey L Witt via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 4:54 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GandD] "The Book", woooo hoooo...

 

Chuck,

Yes, the index has grown some since then. And it's hard to believe that it was 2012 when the EE was published.

I do think the print quality is a bit better in the EE than the original Klambake versions, but that's somewhat subjective.

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Jeffrey L Witt
 

Chuck,

Yes, the index has grown some since then. And it's hard to believe that it was 2012 when the EE was published.

I do think the print quality is a bit better in the EE than the original Klambake versions, but that's somewhat subjective.


Charles Kinzer
 

The expanded stuff is 12 pages of scans of various Pacific Fast Mail advertising photos from their catalogs and magazine advertisements.  (Yours truly provided them to Bob Hayden.)  I felt it was curious that Varney advertising was mentioned in “The Book” but PFM was absent.

 

The other four pages is a publication index provided by Jeff Witt.  There has no doubt been more items added to that index since the book was published.

 

I pointed out another error in the original book that only a fuss budget nerd like me seems to have noticed.  On the back cover the design has decorative triangles at the corners.  The triangles have unequal length legs and were not all oriented correctly.  They are correct on the Bob Hayden version.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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From: Russ Desmond via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 3:50 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GandD] "The Book", woooo hoooo...

 

I too went searching when my paper bound one which has more tape than binding holding it together finally was sealed in the archives as untouchable anymore. I wound up paying around $35 dollars for the hard copy. I got mine on E-Bay. Another idea is to check your local library as the one I bought was from some public library that had withdrawn it from circulation. Also can anyone tell me what is the expanded stuff in the special edition? .
The cost I saw on that was around $125.00. 

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I too went searching when my paper bound one which has more tape than binding holding it together finally was sealed in the archives as untouchable anymore. I wound up paying around $35 dollars for the hard copy. I got mine on E-Bay. Another idea is to check your local library as the one I bought was from some public library that had withdrawn it from circulation. Also can anyone tell me what is the expanded stuff in the special edition? .
The cost I saw on that was around $125.00. 


Warner Swarner
 

Russell,
I have the MR DVD Archive.  It’s handy BUT not always complete in its searches.  Then when I want to print out a plan the small print is not legible.  Small dimensions can not be read.  The scans are inferior quality.  Glad I have hung on to most of my classic years issues.  When I want to refer to a plan or article by one of the gifted early geniuses, its best to have an original available.  That’s where sites like this are so helpful.  Just put out the word and somebody’s got one.  
Warner


On Jul 4, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Russell Courtenay via Groups.Io <walruswebtech@...> wrote:

Congratulations! I can see your bathroom visits lasting longer than usual in your future! Sorry, maybe I shouldn’t say that...

I’ll have to remember that Joe, I sold my beautiful hardbound copy to buy the Expanded Edition but when it finally sold the EE was sold out! Bob Hayden said he won’t be reprinting the EE, I think it took way too long for him to sell them. 

I will put it on a watch at Abe, every one on Amazon or eBay is either ridiculous in price or sells before I receive the notification that it is available!

Also watching for the Model Railroader 75 year Archive DVD, usually they go high but I have seen them sell (quicker than I can tap ‘but now’!) For under $20!

Russell Courtenay
July is national what month?

On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Joseph Melhorn <toyman@...> wrote:

I’ve had both the hardbound and softbound copies of the original release of “The Book” for many years now and still enjoy leafing through th pages, especially when someone on this list calls attention to a detail in a photo. I’ll grab the book and look to see what they are referring to. I missed out on buying the updated version of “The Book” when it was released some years back and recently decided to see if I could locate a copy. I checked all of my usual book sources, no joy! Prices were ridiculous, $100.00 or more, even over $250.00! Some months  ago, I went to www.abe.com and searched using the ISBN and the search turned up all of those high priced copies that I had mentioned earlier, but then I noticed that there was an option to add my search to a Want List. Well guess what, I got a notification on John’s birthday (July 2) that a copy of the revised edition was available from a bookseller for $19.95 and it was listed in “good” condition. I glommed onto it and made the purchase and this morning I got confirmation from the bookseller that it was still available and would be shipped on Friday. Miracles do happen! I’ll report back on the overall condition once I receive it.

 

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ

 


Russell Courtenay
 

Congratulations! I can see your bathroom visits lasting longer than usual in your future! Sorry, maybe I shouldn’t say that...

I’ll have to remember that Joe, I sold my beautiful hardbound copy to buy the Expanded Edition but when it finally sold the EE was sold out! Bob Hayden said he won’t be reprinting the EE, I think it took way too long for him to sell them. 

I will put it on a watch at Abe, every one on Amazon or eBay is either ridiculous in price or sells before I receive the notification that it is available!

Also watching for the Model Railroader 75 year Archive DVD, usually they go high but I have seen them sell (quicker than I can tap ‘but now’!) For under $20!

Russell Courtenay
July is national what month?

On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Joseph Melhorn <toyman@...> wrote:

I’ve had both the hardbound and softbound copies of the original release of “The Book” for many years now and still enjoy leafing through th pages, especially when someone on this list calls attention to a detail in a photo. I’ll grab the book and look to see what they are referring to. I missed out on buying the updated version of “The Book” when it was released some years back and recently decided to see if I could locate a copy. I checked all of my usual book sources, no joy! Prices were ridiculous, $100.00 or more, even over $250.00! Some months  ago, I went to www.abe.com and searched using the ISBN and the search turned up all of those high priced copies that I had mentioned earlier, but then I noticed that there was an option to add my search to a Want List. Well guess what, I got a notification on John’s birthday (July 2) that a copy of the revised edition was available from a bookseller for $19.95 and it was listed in “good” condition. I glommed onto it and made the purchase and this morning I got confirmation from the bookseller that it was still available and would be shipped on Friday. Miracles do happen! I’ll report back on the overall condition once I receive it.

 

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ

 


Joseph Melhorn
 

I’ve had both the hardbound and softbound copies of the original release of “The Book” for many years now and still enjoy leafing through th pages, especially when someone on this list calls attention to a detail in a photo. I’ll grab the book and look to see what they are referring to. I missed out on buying the updated version of “The Book” when it was released some years back and recently decided to see if I could locate a copy. I checked all of my usual book sources, no joy! Prices were ridiculous, $100.00 or more, even over $250.00! Some months  ago, I went to www.abe.com and searched using the ISBN and the search turned up all of those high priced copies that I had mentioned earlier, but then I noticed that there was an option to add my search to a Want List. Well guess what, I got a notification on John’s birthday (July 2) that a copy of the revised edition was available from a bookseller for $19.95 and it was listed in “good” condition. I glommed onto it and made the purchase and this morning I got confirmation from the bookseller that it was still available and would be shipped on Friday. Miracles do happen! I’ll report back on the overall condition once I receive it.

 

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ