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Re: Who was Tioga Pass?

tonkamoes <atticat@...>
 

Thank you Larry. I got this reply from the Model Railroader Magazine
forum also.
"The Tioga Pass was Jim Findley's HO scale model railroad, and was
featured in MR. Jim was a longtime friend of John Allen, and helped
construct areas of the famed Gorre & Daphetid.

The roadname would seem to indicate this 2-10-0 locomotive was one of
Jim Findley's originals; that it's PFM brass from the era when Jim
likely would have acquired it lends even more credence. The Baker
couplers are good evidence, too. If you can get a back issue of the
MR article on his layout, you might spot the locomotive in a photo.

I'd say you have a jewel there.

Paul Schmidt"
Now it will be a project to update the Pine Canyon Scale Models web
site. Gotta make that small correction about Whit Towers also.
Thank you and Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard

--- In GandD@..., Larry Smith <wooddale@b...> wrote:
Jim Findley's layout was the Tioga Pass. Whit Towers was the
Alturas
and Lone Pine

Larry Smith

tonkamoes wrote:

Oops, I meant to say that I bought it from an Ebay dealer that
said
he got it from an estate. Hmmm, I thought Jim's layout was Altrus
and
Lone Pine. I might be wrong there too, I am getting bad on memory.
I
have had John's surviving artifacts since his passing and can't
remember who Tioga Pass was. You might be right though. It is
deffinatley one of John's older friends for sure. I am very happy
to
have found it. It is right at home here with John's loco. I will
put
it on the Pine Canyon web site, once we figure this out.
Happy Railroading, Keith
--- In GandD@..., "Pat Turner" <CandSn3@m...> wrote:


Wow, what a find. I think the Tioga Pass was Jim Findly's RR,

but


I am not 100% sure.

Pat


--- In GandD@..., "tonkamoes" <atticat@c...> wrote:


Hi gang,
A couple weeks ago, I purchased a Frisco Russian on ebay

#3141128982.


I eremembered that one of John's friends had the name Tioga
Pass.

Its


been so long, that I don't remember who it was. I thought that

this


loco was just something that someone painted poorly. I bought it
because the price was low, expecting to re-paint it. To my
astonishment, when I opened the box, I noted that it was painted

in


the G&D fashion. I was even more surprised to find a set of
Baker
couplers under the foam in the box. I bought it for the Pine

Canyon


RR and was going to change the name. But now, I realize that it

is


a


piece of history. Just gotta get the dope on it. The back of the

box


is marked $59 as was normal for those days. It is a mid 60s PFM
model. Does anyone have an Idea who it belonged to? I bought it

from


an estate dealer. Its passed through a couple hands. Happy
Railroading,
Keith



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Re: Who was Tioga Pass?

Bart Salmons <shayguru@...>
 

Yup,

Jim finely's RR was the Tioga Pass and "interchanged" with the G&D!

Bart Salmons
WCNG

----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Turner
To: GandD@...
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: [GandD] Re: Who was Tioga Pass?


Wow, what a find. I think the Tioga Pass was Jim Findly's RR, but
I am not 100% sure.

Pat


--- In GandD@..., "tonkamoes" <atticat@c...> wrote:
> Hi gang,
> A couple weeks ago, I purchased a Frisco Russian on ebay
#3141128982.
> I eremembered that one of John's friends had the name Tioga Pass.
Its
> been so long, that I don't remember who it was. I thought that this
> loco was just something that someone painted poorly. I bought it
> because the price was low, expecting to re-paint it. To my
> astonishment, when I opened the box, I noted that it was painted in
> the G&D fashion. I was even more surprised to find a set of Baker
> couplers under the foam in the box. I bought it for the Pine Canyon
> RR and was going to change the name. But now, I realize that it is
a
> piece of history. Just gotta get the dope on it. The back of the
box
> is marked $59 as was normal for those days. It is a mid 60s PFM
> model. Does anyone have an Idea who it belonged to? I bought it
from
> an estate dealer. Its passed through a couple hands. Happy
> Railroading,
> Keith


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Re: Who was Tioga Pass?

Larry Smith
 

Jim Findley's layout was the Tioga Pass. Whit Towers was the Alturas
and Lone Pine

Larry Smith

tonkamoes wrote:

Oops, I meant to say that I bought it from an Ebay dealer that said
he got it from an estate. Hmmm, I thought Jim's layout was Altrus and
Lone Pine. I might be wrong there too, I am getting bad on memory. I
have had John's surviving artifacts since his passing and can't
remember who Tioga Pass was. You might be right though. It is
deffinatley one of John's older friends for sure. I am very happy to
have found it. It is right at home here with John's loco. I will put
it on the Pine Canyon web site, once we figure this out.
Happy Railroading, Keith
--- In GandD@..., "Pat Turner" <CandSn3@m...> wrote:


Wow, what a find. I think the Tioga Pass was Jim Findly's RR,

but


I am not 100% sure.

Pat


--- In GandD@..., "tonkamoes" <atticat@c...> wrote:


Hi gang,
A couple weeks ago, I purchased a Frisco Russian on ebay

#3141128982.


I eremembered that one of John's friends had the name Tioga Pass.

Its


been so long, that I don't remember who it was. I thought that

this


loco was just something that someone painted poorly. I bought it
because the price was low, expecting to re-paint it. To my
astonishment, when I opened the box, I noted that it was painted

in


the G&D fashion. I was even more surprised to find a set of Baker
couplers under the foam in the box. I bought it for the Pine

Canyon


RR and was going to change the name. But now, I realize that it

is


a


piece of history. Just gotta get the dope on it. The back of the

box


is marked $59 as was normal for those days. It is a mid 60s PFM
model. Does anyone have an Idea who it belonged to? I bought it

from


an estate dealer. Its passed through a couple hands. Happy
Railroading,
Keith



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Re: Who was Tioga Pass?

tonkamoes <atticat@...>
 

Oops, I meant to say that I bought it from an Ebay dealer that said
he got it from an estate. Hmmm, I thought Jim's layout was Altrus and
Lone Pine. I might be wrong there too, I am getting bad on memory. I
have had John's surviving artifacts since his passing and can't
remember who Tioga Pass was. You might be right though. It is
deffinatley one of John's older friends for sure. I am very happy to
have found it. It is right at home here with John's loco. I will put
it on the Pine Canyon web site, once we figure this out.
Happy Railroading, Keith
--- In GandD@..., "Pat Turner" <CandSn3@m...> wrote:
Wow, what a find. I think the Tioga Pass was Jim Findly's RR,
but
I am not 100% sure.

Pat


--- In GandD@..., "tonkamoes" <atticat@c...> wrote:
Hi gang,
A couple weeks ago, I purchased a Frisco Russian on ebay
#3141128982.
I eremembered that one of John's friends had the name Tioga Pass.
Its
been so long, that I don't remember who it was. I thought that
this
loco was just something that someone painted poorly. I bought it
because the price was low, expecting to re-paint it. To my
astonishment, when I opened the box, I noted that it was painted
in
the G&D fashion. I was even more surprised to find a set of Baker
couplers under the foam in the box. I bought it for the Pine
Canyon
RR and was going to change the name. But now, I realize that it
is
a
piece of history. Just gotta get the dope on it. The back of the
box
is marked $59 as was normal for those days. It is a mid 60s PFM
model. Does anyone have an Idea who it belonged to? I bought it
from
an estate dealer. Its passed through a couple hands. Happy
Railroading,
Keith

Re: Who was Tioga Pass?

Pat Turner
 

Wow, what a find. I think the Tioga Pass was Jim Findly's RR, but
I am not 100% sure.

Pat


--- In GandD@..., "tonkamoes" <atticat@c...> wrote:
Hi gang,
A couple weeks ago, I purchased a Frisco Russian on ebay
#3141128982.
I eremembered that one of John's friends had the name Tioga Pass.
Its
been so long, that I don't remember who it was. I thought that this
loco was just something that someone painted poorly. I bought it
because the price was low, expecting to re-paint it. To my
astonishment, when I opened the box, I noted that it was painted in
the G&D fashion. I was even more surprised to find a set of Baker
couplers under the foam in the box. I bought it for the Pine Canyon
RR and was going to change the name. But now, I realize that it is
a
piece of history. Just gotta get the dope on it. The back of the
box
is marked $59 as was normal for those days. It is a mid 60s PFM
model. Does anyone have an Idea who it belonged to? I bought it
from
an estate dealer. Its passed through a couple hands. Happy
Railroading,
Keith

Re: Who was Tioga Pass?

hicjhh@...
 

tioga pass was a layout created by Jim Findley. there was an article about
it some years back in model railroader.

Who was Tioga Pass?

tonkamoes <atticat@...>
 

Hi gang,
A couple weeks ago, I purchased a Frisco Russian on ebay #3141128982.
I eremembered that one of John's friends had the name Tioga Pass. Its
been so long, that I don't remember who it was. I thought that this
loco was just something that someone painted poorly. I bought it
because the price was low, expecting to re-paint it. To my
astonishment, when I opened the box, I noted that it was painted in
the G&D fashion. I was even more surprised to find a set of Baker
couplers under the foam in the box. I bought it for the Pine Canyon
RR and was going to change the name. But now, I realize that it is a
piece of history. Just gotta get the dope on it. The back of the box
is marked $59 as was normal for those days. It is a mid 60s PFM
model. Does anyone have an Idea who it belonged to? I bought it from
an estate dealer. Its passed through a couple hands. Happy
Railroading,
Keith

Re: Doodlebug

Russell - Idaho USA <cottonwoodhobbies@...>
 

I would be extremely interested in an O scale version, even if it is just
the sides. Isn't it pretty easy to scale laser cutting to any size you need?
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Re: Doodlebug

Jeffrey L Witt
 

I am very interested, Mike.

I actually bought two of the Spectrum doodlebugs cheap ($20) on EBay
for just this purpose (one of many projects that I will get to
someday). They are still available, though lately the price seems to
have gone up a bit.

I will review articles for pictures, but one series I know for sure
showcases the "gastronic" is the two-part March/April 1971 "RMC
Fantrip on the G&D" series, which I have.

I also got one of the RMC "Ramsey" cars (a specially painted Athearn
heavyweight observation) that were used in all the "fan trip"
articles of that era. The one used on the G&D fan trip was different
from standard colors, as it had the roof/running gear painted
gray....does anyone know if John did this himself? I plan on painting
mine to match.

Anyway, for now I posted (under "Files") a cropped, uncompressed
picture of the doodlebug from the cover of Paul Mallery's "Design
Handbook", which is the same shot used on the cover of the March 1971
RMC.

Put me down for 1 or 2 and I will hunt up some more pictures to help
the cause. Keep us updated on any progress!! You may want to start
a "sign-up" sheet in the "Database" section where folks can add their
names.

Regards,

Jeff Witt

Re: I have a dream......

Joe Melhorn <joe@...>
 

There's this fellow that will make me some laser cut bodies for a
moderate fee and I was thinking the G & D doodlebug would be about right
for me to finally get mine and a few extras as well.
Hi Mike,

Does this mean that you might be looking for some "buyers" to help offset the cost? I'd be interested in one or two, depending on the cost. Let me know. I unfortunately don't have any pictures that I could share. I have access to RMC and Model Railroader issues back to the late 40's, early 50's. If there is an issue from which you need scans, let me know, I'll get the issue from our club library, scan it and send it to you.

Thanks,

Joe Melhorn
Orangevale, CA (near Sacramento)

I have a dream......

mwbauers
 

No, it's nothing to do with giving a speech in D.C.

But I've wanted a copy of the G & D doodlebug for many years.

There's this fellow that will make me some laser cut bodies for a moderate fee and I was thinking the G & D doodlebug would be about right for me to finally get mine and a few extras as well.

I need to be creative and work with some drafting techniques on the pictures of the unit found in the G&D book and some grabs from the video.

There were a couple of shots over the years in some MR articles of John's structures.

I was wondering if anyone had additional shots of this unit and could share scans of them with me?

As I see it, it should work quite well with a possibly re-sectioned contemporary Bachmann Doodlebug mechanism in HO. I'd like to see it in N scale as well, but that would be a bit later. It's the same cad artwork, so a re-scale is a snap.

--
regards,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi, USA

Timewaster Layout Version 2

Russell - Idaho USA <cottonwoodhobbies@...>
 

After much consideration of my original Timewaster layout plan;
<http://www.worldzone.net/recreation/cottonwood/images/timewasterlayout.gif>

I made some needed modifications. I knew it needed to be larger to fit
everything I wanted but I wanted to keep it as simple as possible.

It is now 2 1/2x14', still three sections, the industrial section is now six
feet long, the others were widened 6" to accommodate some narrow gauge
trackage:

<http://f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/walruswebtech/vwp?.dir=/Files&.dnm=time
waster2.gif.gif&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t>

[Sorry about the long yahoo address, my regular server is undergoing some
upgrades]

I think I am ready to begin building the mountain sections as soon as I
figure out what kind of lightweight benchwork I want to use (hollow core
doors are rather expensive around here and I am not sure I want to do
another all foam layout, maybe a ply/foam/ply sandwich...)

Comments and suggestions are welcome.
--
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Re: Books for sale

riverkanyon
 

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:06:46 -0000 "Jim Niemann" <bigelk86@...>
writes:
I have 19 railroad and model railroad books I want to sell. I have
an eye disease that makes reading the printed word difficult so I am
reducing my library.
If you are interested send me and email, but off list please!
I will send you a copy of the list and answer any questions you may
have.
Thanks!

Jim



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Re: Books for sale

riverkanyon
 

Hi Jim,

Please send me what GD books you have for sale. Thanks.

Phil...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:06:46 -0000 "Jim Niemann" <bigelk86@...>
writes:
I have 19 railroad and model railroad books I want to sell. I have
an eye disease that makes reading the printed word difficult so I am
reducing my library.
If you are interested send me and email, but off list please!
I will send you a copy of the list and answer any questions you may
have.
Thanks!

Jim



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Books for sale

Jim Niemann <bigelk86@...>
 

I have 19 railroad and model railroad books I want to sell. I have
an eye disease that makes reading the printed word difficult so I am
reducing my library.
If you are interested send me and email, but off list please!
I will send you a copy of the list and answer any questions you may
have.
Thanks!

Jim

Hardcover - Model Railroading with John Allen is better

Russell - Idaho USA <cottonwoodhobbies@...>
 

Just got my Hard cover (final edition) version of MRwJA and wow! Like new condition and the printing improved immensely from 1980 to 1996! The photos are much clearer and the colors are 'alive'. Really glad I upgraded.

Anyone need a first edition paperback?
Russell - Idaho USA
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A look at my latest layout plan

Russell - Idaho USA <cottonwoodhobbies@...>
 

[Sorry about the multiple post]

I have shut off most of my groups and am still getting over 100 emails a day. Having a hard time reading them all. Gonna stay with you guys though....

But here's my latest trackplan:

<http://www.worldzone.net/recreation/cottonwood/images/timewasterlayout.gif>

Not much to do with the 'Timesaver', but that is what I was thinking of. Will it ever get built? Who knows, but I hope to get at least a small section done sometime this summer. Plan on doing it all handlaid code 100 leftovers from HO....

Originally designed for On30 or On18 and 18x96", it is now adapted for standard gauge and 24x120". Loops can be added to each end and another four foot section can be added to make the passing track usable for a whole train (instead of the timesaver's 'less than 3 cars') so the total layout length can be 28'!! I might make a couple of tracks in the city section dual gauge for my smaller equipment. Drawn in AppleWorks (also available for Windows), it was converted to a .gif for all to see.

Could be useful for traction also, but all I really wanted was a small layout between the sectional track loops so I can run my new Weaver O scale 2-8-0 around and this is what I got!

Please copy me directly with questions or comments.

Russell - Idaho USA
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O scale timesavers

Russell - Idaho USA <cottonwoodhobbies@...>
 

I am working on the design for an O-scale Timesaver and have three possibilities:

1. A straightforward upscaling: 10x60" becomes 18x108" in O scale.

2. Fit into a 36" radius curve to go above my desk hutch and onto a 63" shelf on one side (The photos on the front page of my website show this shelf) This plan might be a little big and imposing overhead and I don't know how well switching would work with a sharp curve in the middle of it....

3. A small folding industrial switching layout I originally designed for O scale narrow gauge (take your choice of width) of 18"x96" size. For standard gauge it should be increased to 24x108" at least. This one sounds like the most fun with some grades, industrial street trackage, a wharf line (the original connector between timesavers would serve as this) a hidden 'fiddle' track or yard and a bit of a mountain (logging) line on a steep switchback. It could also be fitted with loops at each end to allow some continuous running (actually, any of these could).

Of course I like #3 the best and I don't want to get myself started on two more layouts, but I've got a bunch of code 100 rail and ties and 22 code 108 Rivarossi curves (for the temp end loops) and really want to get my Weaver 2-8-0 some run time!

The problem, since it is not flat, is storage space. It could probably be taken apart in several sections no more than four feet long, two feet wide and about a foot high, but stack these up and you get a stack2x3x4'!, not going to fit under the tallest bed or sofa (even at 12 inches it is too tall). I think I will draw it up some more and then scout for possible storage spaces around the house....

Has anyone seen photos of O scale timesaver based plans? I have seen many others from N to G, but never O.

Any suggestions?

How fast can you who have tried it handlay track? Currently I am at three feet an hour but should be able to at least double that with practice. HOn3 switches used to take me an hour start to finish with the proper jigs, but I haven't laid one in a long time (20 years???)

Maybe I should just lay the track on boards in sections and set it up out in the yard!

Russell - Idaho USA
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Re: OT AHM O scale 0-8-0s

Russell - Idaho USA <cottonwoodhobbies@...>
 

Really 'monsterous' looking! And it is amazing the detail in this kit: The third cylinder and it's crosshead guide (under boiler) and valve gear (in front of cylinder saddle), even the booster truck under the tender has most of it's detail! Too bad my $50 wonder won't even roll as a dummy helper! The valve gear has been repaired with a little excess glue.

Next to narrow gauge they would indeed be an imposing sight!

Would have loved to see these things operate, alas, I was borne too late ad will likely never make it to see Chinese steam in my lifetime.

I guess that is why we model, huh?

Russell - Idaho USA
http://www.narrowgaugenews.net

-----Original message-----
From: RE: [GandD] Modeling the CSP in Dec. 77 RMC, lots of O scale
Incredible timing that you
write because I've been penciling out
how they would look as 0-6-0's: darn
cute brutes. Remind me of
those heavy 0-8-0 and 0-6-0s they used to use to
haul copper ore
out of open pit mines. I've also been thinking of a 2-8-8-0.
I do
some On30 and having one of these "monsters" in the background
would
really set off the small size of the On30 equipment.


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Re: Modeling the CSP in Dec. 77 RMC, lots of O scale

Pat Turner
 

I have a couple of these and the article also. I even have one
motorizing kit!

Pat Turner
NMRA/SER V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Swearingen" <dan@...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: [GandD] Modeling the CSP in Dec. 77 RMC, lots of O scale


| Hi Russell,
|
| I have three of those 0-8-0 kits in boxes (four if you count the
| "loved-to-death" one I built when I was ten). Incredible timing that you
| write because I've been penciling out how they would look as 0-6-0's: darn
| cute brutes. Remind me of those heavy 0-8-0 and 0-6-0s they used to use to
| haul copper ore out of open pit mines. I've also been thinking of a
2-8-8-0.
| I do some On30 and having one of these "monsters" in the background would
| really set off the small size of the On30 equipment.
|
| Dan Swearingen
| Tiburon, Ca.
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Russell - Idaho USA [mailto:cottonwoodhobbies@...]
| Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:50 PM
| To: csprailroad@...; idahorails@...;
| gandd@...; otrains@...;
| oscalemodelers@...
| Subject: [GandD] Modeling the CSP in Dec. 77 RMC, lots of O scale
|
|
| Modeling the CSP in Dec. 77 RMC, lots of O scale
|
| I picked up a stack of seven 1977 Railroad Model Craftsman mags on ebay
| for $3.99 because of an article in the November issue about converting the
| AHM O scale 0-8-0 I recently bought to a 2-8-0,2-8-4 and 0-6-0 (much more
| useful wheel arrangements for Idaho modelling)
| [Dan Swearingen] .
| .
| .
| .
| .
|
| [Dan Swearingen]
| Russell - Idaho USA
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