Date   
Slides

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Happy New Year all!!!

Dave - WOW - thanks, great pix!!

Why is it that so few pictures of Andrews were ever published? Was
there unfinished scenery in that area that prevented the high-quality
pictures John demanded, or was it just mundane (industries, etc.)
compared to the rest of the layout?

One request please - we cannot access these pictures at other
than "screen" resolution (thank you Yahoo). The "uploader" can, but
nobody else - I think Yahoo wants people to buy prints through its
printing service.

Can you please zip these files into an archive and place them in
the "files" section? The "screen" size is great for an idea of the
picture, but really can't be studied well.

By the way, if there are pictures that I have posted that anyone
wants "full size" access to, drop me a note and I will do what I can
to help. The problem is that we have limited "file area" size, and
really the "Photos" section is useless for posting hi-res quality
photos.

Peter Prunka - are you there? You offered before to provide some
server space - is this still possible? It would be great to have
space where photos could be posted without Yahoo's handcuffs.

Until then, lets load up the new group space (thanks, Pat!!).

Regards,

Jeff

Re: Posted 3 photos from John Allens slides

okrasaghia
 

Thanks Dave, always interesting to see new photos of G&D.
Do you have any information what we are looking at?
The third shot is from Austin Street but the other two I don't
recognize. Is that Andrews?

Happy New Year, Okrasa

--- In GandD@..., "Dave <drs_rr@y...>" <drs_rr@y...>
wrote:
I scanned and posted 3 of the slides I've had put into print. I'll
try and get a few others printed over the next month and I'll scan
and post those when I get to it, until then, enjoy these 3.

Dave Salamon
N Scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382

Added File and Photos Space

Pat Turner
 

I have added another group to the many I now host, own or moderate.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GDfiles/

This will be for added space for Photos and Files for the main GandD list
as we are now at 75% of our allowed space.

You do not have to join this new list if all you want to do is view
pictures or files. But, if you want to post files and such to the list then
you have to join. This way only the people posting have to join another
list.

There are links to the new list on the Files page and the links page of
this list. Feel free to use the new list just as you would this one, except
keep all the emails on the main list here.

Thanks

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org

New file uploaded to GandD

GandD@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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Re: Has anyone ever modeled the first G&D layout?

Pat Turner
 

I used the plans in the book and the ones in the mags. and made my own
scale rulers to match the scales that John always put in his drawings. I
then scaled all details including bridges etc.. from my measurements.

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org


Thanks for the reply. I look forward to seeing your pix. We plan on
moving in a couple of years, so I'm starting out modestly with a
module about three feet by five so I can take it with us. I plan on
building my FSM John Allen kit with a turntable, and the Gorre
viaduct and bridge behind it. My thoughts are to not try to recreate
his layout (who could, anyway?) but to expand my modules with FSM and
other structures. And as my skills improve, I'm really excited with
the prospect of trying my hand at scratch-building. I really love the
spirit I've seen with George Sellios' kits and his incredible layout--
plus the truly imaginative scratch-building on the narrow gauge
layouts on these sites and in the Gazette. Tom

Re: Has anyone ever modeled the first G&D layout?

Tommy Schwnn
 

Thanks for the reply. I look forward to seeing your pix. We plan on
moving in a couple of years, so I'm starting out modestly with a
module about three feet by five so I can take it with us. I plan on
building my FSM John Allen kit with a turntable, and the Gorre
viaduct and bridge behind it. My thoughts are to not try to recreate
his layout (who could, anyway?) but to expand my modules with FSM and
other structures. And as my skills improve, I'm really excited with
the prospect of trying my hand at scratch-building. I really love the
spirit I've seen with George Sellios' kits and his incredible layout--
plus the truly imaginative scratch-building on the narrow gauge
layouts on these sites and in the Gazette. Tom

--- In GandD@..., "www.On30.org" <CandSn3@m...> wrote:
I did a version of the first G&D in HO years ago. It was done
on a 4'x8'
table with a small extension on the front for the turntable. I did
it larger
to make the min. radius 18' and still had to force it in a few
spots. It got
to the point of running trains with a working Atlas turntable and
all
electrical work done. I did not have much luck with the scenery as
this was
my first try at it. But, it was a good layout and I had fun with
it. It was
the only layout to that date that I ever finished all the track
work and
electrical on!
If I were to do it over I would make it about a 5'x9' layout
with the
turntable as an addition to that on the front.
I will post some pics of it if I can find them.

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org


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Re: Squawbottom on Pat's Pics

tonkamoes <atticat@attbi.com> <atticat@...>
 

Hi Pat, I am sorry you did not get the station. I don't remember who
did get it. I am glad you saved the pics from my auction. I would
have to dig to find the original photos. Happy New Year, Keith
--- In GandD@..., "www.On30.org" <CandSn3@m...> wrote:
Thanks Keith, I always save pics like that even if I don't
have all the
info. I did bid on that auction, but it went too high for me at the
time. I
hated to loose that one :(

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org


-----Original Message-----
From: tonkamoes <atticat@a...> [mailto:atticat@a...]
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:09 PM
To: GandD@...
Subject: [GandD] Squawbottom on Pat's Pics


Hi Gang,
I am the builder of the Squawbottom station on Pat's pics in the
photos folders. The station is a semi-accurate replica of the
original with a few exceptions. I sold this copy on Ebay a couple
years ago. I built it when I was in O-scale. I used the original
from the GD to scale the dimensions up to O-scale. The original from
the GD was built by Jim Findley for John. The original did not
survive the fire in very good condition. It is a little warped and
blackened. Just thought you might want to have the trivia to go with
the structure on Pat's Pics folder. Happy New Year, Keith Blanchard

Re: Squawbottom on Pat's Pics

Pat Turner
 

Thanks Keith, I always save pics like that even if I don't have all the
info. I did bid on that auction, but it went too high for me at the time. I
hated to loose that one :(

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org

-----Original Message-----
From: tonkamoes <atticat@...> [mailto:atticat@...]
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:09 PM
To: GandD@...
Subject: [GandD] Squawbottom on Pat's Pics


Hi Gang,
I am the builder of the Squawbottom station on Pat's pics in the
photos folders. The station is a semi-accurate replica of the
original with a few exceptions. I sold this copy on Ebay a couple
years ago. I built it when I was in O-scale. I used the original
from the GD to scale the dimensions up to O-scale. The original from
the GD was built by Jim Findley for John. The original did not
survive the fire in very good condition. It is a little warped and
blackened. Just thought you might want to have the trivia to go with
the structure on Pat's Pics folder. Happy New Year, Keith Blanchard

Re: Has anyone ever modeled the first G&D layout?

Pat Turner
 

I did a version of the first G&D in HO years ago. It was done on a 4'x8'
table with a small extension on the front for the turntable. I did it larger
to make the min. radius 18' and still had to force it in a few spots. It got
to the point of running trains with a working Atlas turntable and all
electrical work done. I did not have much luck with the scenery as this was
my first try at it. But, it was a good layout and I had fun with it. It was
the only layout to that date that I ever finished all the track work and
electrical on!
If I were to do it over I would make it about a 5'x9' layout with the
turntable as an addition to that on the front.
I will post some pics of it if I can find them.

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org

-----Original Message-----
From: tommyschwnn <tommyschwnn@...>
[mailto:tommyschwnn@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:29 AM
To: GandD@...
Subject: [GandD] Has anyone ever modeled the first G&D layout?


Hi, I'm new to the G&D group and wonder if I could get some advice
from you members. I was an ardent John Allen fan in my early teens
back in 1948-50. After all these years I have gotten back in the
hobby with a passion and my first mission is to try to model some of
those wonderful scenes, Have any of you ever tried to build a layout
like the first, small G&D? My plan is to start with about a 3x5 foot
module recreating the famous Gorre scene. I have a John Allen FSM
kit which will give me a good start. Plus a Scale Structures
turntable kit, and a Timberline Colorado Midland Bridge kit which
looks remarkably similar to Allen's straining beam truss bridge. But
here's my dilemma as I try to plot out the module. First: I could
really use some advice on the dimensions of the Gorre stone viaduct
and any ideas on how to model the stone facing. I've practially worn
out my copy of the Wescott John Allen book looking at the Gorre
scenes. 1. Has anyone ever figured out the dimensions of the
viaduct? If I could get one dimension, I may be able to plot out the
others. 2. Any thoughts on how to model the stone? Would you carve
it out of plaster? (Not sure of my artistic skills.) Or is it a
mosaic of flat tiles, like cardboard chips, painted or plastered
over? I've even thought of buying a bunch of tunnel portals out of
the Walther's catalog, but haven't found anything that looks close
enough. My second question is this: have any of you ever modeled
the sttraining truss bridge? Again, if I could get one demension, I
could probably plot out the others. And has anyone modeled the
supporting towers in the center of the bridge? I know I could put
together something passable out of dowels and scale timbers, but I'd
really like to be as accurate as possible if anybody had any kind of
drawing, photo or other reference. And one last small detail: do
any of you know of a source for miniature bolt heads or nuts that
fasten the timbers together? I've searched through a couple of
catalogs and can't fine anything. Lastly, if any of you G&D fans
have ever attempted to model John Allen's first G&D, I would love to
hear about your experiences. Thanks, Tom Bartholomew



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Squawbottom on Pat's Pics

tonkamoes <atticat@attbi.com> <atticat@...>
 

Hi Gang,
I am the builder of the Squawbottom station on Pat's pics in the
photos folders. The station is a semi-accurate replica of the
original with a few exceptions. I sold this copy on Ebay a couple
years ago. I built it when I was in O-scale. I used the original
from the GD to scale the dimensions up to O-scale. The original from
the GD was built by Jim Findley for John. The original did not
survive the fire in very good condition. It is a little warped and
blackened. Just thought you might want to have the trivia to go with
the structure on Pat's Pics folder. Happy New Year, Keith Blanchard

Re: GD Original Pics - Group Album

tom+hokel <thokel@frameworksoft.com> <thokel@...>
 

Keith,

I posted your GD Ore car pictures to the GD Album. Thank you for the
pictures.

Tom Hokel

--- In GandD@..., "tonkamoes <atticat@a...>"
<atticat@a...> wrote:
If anyone wants to set up a photo album for John's scratch-built
ore
cars posted on my web site, you have my permission. Please let it
be
known that they are from my site www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com
These
cars appear in the January 2003 MR on page 83 at the end of the
string. Last week I added this forum to my site on the favorite
links
page. It has been sending new people to this forum. Hope nobody
minds
about that.
Happy Railroading,
Keith
--- In GandD@..., "tom+hokel <thokel@f...>"
<thokel@f...>
wrote:
I set up a new photo album called "GD Original Pics - Group
Album."
This album is for all of us to post "orginal" pictures of the GD.
For
example, I posted the GD Timesaver picture (with Allan Fenton) to
this album. We could set up other albums, such as GD - MR, GD -
PFM,
GD- RMC, GD - NMRA Bulletin, GD - MDC, GD - Varney, etc., which
would
contain scanned pictures of the GD from these publications and
manufacturers.

A word of caution though, we need to be sensitive to copyright
issues. With the exception of PFM and Varney, these enterprises
are
still in business. This also applies to scanning articles. If in
doubt, receive written permission from them.

Tom Hokel

Posted 3 photos from John Allens slides

Dave
 

I scanned and posted 3 of the slides I've had put into print. I'll
try and get a few others printed over the next month and I'll scan
and post those when I get to it, until then, enjoy these 3.

Dave Salamon
N Scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382

Re: GD Original Pics - Group Album

tonkamoes <atticat@attbi.com> <atticat@...>
 

If anyone wants to set up a photo album for John's scratch-built ore
cars posted on my web site, you have my permission. Please let it be
known that they are from my site www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com These
cars appear in the January 2003 MR on page 83 at the end of the
string. Last week I added this forum to my site on the favorite links
page. It has been sending new people to this forum. Hope nobody minds
about that.
Happy Railroading,
Keith
--- In GandD@..., "tom+hokel <thokel@f...>" <thokel@f...>
wrote:
I set up a new photo album called "GD Original Pics - Group Album."
This album is for all of us to post "orginal" pictures of the GD.
For
example, I posted the GD Timesaver picture (with Allan Fenton) to
this album. We could set up other albums, such as GD - MR, GD -
PFM,
GD- RMC, GD - NMRA Bulletin, GD - MDC, GD - Varney, etc., which
would
contain scanned pictures of the GD from these publications and
manufacturers.

A word of caution though, we need to be sensitive to copyright
issues. With the exception of PFM and Varney, these enterprises are
still in business. This also applies to scanning articles. If in
doubt, receive written permission from them.

Tom Hokel

Re: G&D slides

k secrest <boxcab_e50@...>
 

Dave-

If memory has not faded too badly, the fellow who
is/was West Coast slides, should be named Leon
Callaway. Believe he was in southern California.

Ken



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Re: G&D slides

tonkamoes <atticat@attbi.com> <atticat@...>
 

Hi Keith,
Thank you for your reply. I guess you are the neighbor that I heard
bought the place. The local rumor was that a neighbor bought it and
rented in out. Thank you for letting us know the straight story. I
know it was vacent for many years. I wanted to buy it, but was too
young and could not swing both family and a restoration project. I
bet it was a sad thing to tear the remainder of the layout from its
resting place. Thank you again for sharing this with us and Happy
Holidays, Keith
--- In GandD@..., "Keith" <1king26@r...> wrote:
Keith;
The house sat vacant for many years (I grew up down the street). We
bought
it and fixed it up, it was never rented. We lowered the floor in the
basement due to not enough headroom for living space (big job
breaking up
the cement and heartbreaking job of tearing out what was left of the
layout!!). It is now my workshop/storage etc. I am not into
modeling trains
but certainly know what John and his layout was. My brother does
modeling
with the local club that works out of the old train station in
Salinas, he
also is building a ride-able steam engine.
....Keith
ps I will try to get a pic posted of a control panel that may be of
interest......

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:01:42 -0000
From: "tonkamoes <atticat@a...>" <atticat@a...>
Subject: Re: G&D slides

Hi Keith, this is Keith in Fresno, Long time Monterey resident.
Are
you building a railroad in the old house? I know the house was
worked
over during restoration. And it was rented for many years. Did
they
wall off the un-improved area under the house where the layout
was?
Happy Hoildays, Keith

Re: G&D/DG&H Passes

Bob Burgoyne <cxsnut@...>
 

Pat,
Thanks for your thoughts on the passes. They resemble the ones shown in the
book about Johns layout from MR. The artwork looks to have been done by hand
in larger form and reduced in size during the photo print process. They are
black and white on parchment with his signature in Blue Ink.
It sure is good to see the activity on this board. I know there are many
more Allen fans out there who haven't found us yet.
Cheers!
Bob B.

----- Original Message -----
From: <CandSn3@...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: [GandD] Re: G&D/DG&H Passes


I have seen the G&D passes sell on eBay in the past for over $100.00.
I would think the DG&H pass would sell for even more as there were
not as many of them around.

Pat T.

--- In GandD@..., "Bob Burgoyne" <cxsnut@m...> wrote:
Greetings G&D fans,

I recently acquired original passes for both the G&D and the Narrow
Gauge
DG&H of John Allen fame. They are photographic prints and appear to
be
signed by the master himself. They were part of a larger collection
of
vintage MRR passes I purchased on EBAY. While not listed in the
description
the attached photo for the auction appeared to have these passes,
and as
luck would have it they were.
Does anyone have experience with these passes? With his
photographic work in
the press, and the timeframe involved, it makes sense that he would
use that
medium to reproduce his passes.
As a side note, any idea of their actual value? No, not interested
in
selling. Regardless of their worth, the link to the past has the
most value.

Thanks Much,
Bob Burgoyne


----- Original Message -----
From: <drs_rr@y...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [GandD] Re: Switching at Port


Unfortunatly Allen Fenton passed away in August of 2001, Glenn
Joesten now has the timesaver, see the link included:

http://www.pcrnmra.org/coast/dispatcher/Dec/Dec2001_Page01.doc

Dave Salamon
N Scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?
p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382


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Re: G&D slides

Keith Roger Beard Trinity
 

Keith;
The house sat vacant for many years (I grew up down the street). We bought
it and fixed it up, it was never rented. We lowered the floor in the
basement due to not enough headroom for living space (big job breaking up
the cement and heartbreaking job of tearing out what was left of the
layout!!). It is now my workshop/storage etc. I am not into modeling trains
but certainly know what John and his layout was. My brother does modeling
with the local club that works out of the old train station in Salinas, he
also is building a ride-able steam engine.
....Keith
ps I will try to get a pic posted of a control panel that may be of
interest......

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:01:42 -0000
From: "tonkamoes <atticat@...>" <atticat@...>
Subject: Re: G&D slides

Hi Keith, this is Keith in Fresno, Long time Monterey resident. Are
you building a railroad in the old house? I know the house was worked
over during restoration. And it was rented for many years. Did they
wall off the un-improved area under the house where the layout was?
Happy Hoildays, Keith

Deleting Photos Questions

tom+hokel <thokel@frameworksoft.com> <thokel@...>
 

How do you delete a photo from an album? When I click the "Delete"
button, the system prompts me to "Select a photo to delete." But, I
can't figure out how to "select the photo."

Thanks,
Tom Hokel

GD Original Pics - Group Album

tom+hokel <thokel@frameworksoft.com> <thokel@...>
 

I set up a new photo album called "GD Original Pics - Group Album."
This album is for all of us to post "orginal" pictures of the GD. For
example, I posted the GD Timesaver picture (with Allan Fenton) to
this album. We could set up other albums, such as GD - MR, GD - PFM,
GD- RMC, GD - NMRA Bulletin, GD - MDC, GD - Varney, etc., which would
contain scanned pictures of the GD from these publications and
manufacturers.

A word of caution though, we need to be sensitive to copyright
issues. With the exception of PFM and Varney, these enterprises are
still in business. This also applies to scanning articles. If in
doubt, receive written permission from them.

Tom Hokel

G&D Book on eBay

Pat Turner
 

I know there were a couple of you looking for this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2902974532

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org