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Re: G&D slides

tonkamoes <atticat@attbi.com> <atticat@...>
 

Hi Keith,
Thank you for your reply. I guess you are the neighbor that I heard
bought the place. The local rumor was that a neighbor bought it and
rented in out. Thank you for letting us know the straight story. I
know it was vacent for many years. I wanted to buy it, but was too
young and could not swing both family and a restoration project. I
bet it was a sad thing to tear the remainder of the layout from its
resting place. Thank you again for sharing this with us and Happy
Holidays, Keith
--- In GandD@..., "Keith" <1king26@r...> wrote:
Keith;
The house sat vacant for many years (I grew up down the street). We
bought
it and fixed it up, it was never rented. We lowered the floor in the
basement due to not enough headroom for living space (big job
breaking up
the cement and heartbreaking job of tearing out what was left of the
layout!!). It is now my workshop/storage etc. I am not into
modeling trains
but certainly know what John and his layout was. My brother does
modeling
with the local club that works out of the old train station in
Salinas, he
also is building a ride-able steam engine.
....Keith
ps I will try to get a pic posted of a control panel that may be of
interest......

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:01:42 -0000
From: "tonkamoes <atticat@a...>" <atticat@a...>
Subject: Re: G&D slides

Hi Keith, this is Keith in Fresno, Long time Monterey resident.
Are
you building a railroad in the old house? I know the house was
worked
over during restoration. And it was rented for many years. Did
they
wall off the un-improved area under the house where the layout
was?
Happy Hoildays, Keith

Re: G&D/DG&H Passes

Bob Burgoyne <cxsnut@...>
 

Pat,
Thanks for your thoughts on the passes. They resemble the ones shown in the
book about Johns layout from MR. The artwork looks to have been done by hand
in larger form and reduced in size during the photo print process. They are
black and white on parchment with his signature in Blue Ink.
It sure is good to see the activity on this board. I know there are many
more Allen fans out there who haven't found us yet.
Cheers!
Bob B.

----- Original Message -----
From: <CandSn3@...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: [GandD] Re: G&D/DG&H Passes


I have seen the G&D passes sell on eBay in the past for over $100.00.
I would think the DG&H pass would sell for even more as there were
not as many of them around.

Pat T.

--- In GandD@..., "Bob Burgoyne" <cxsnut@m...> wrote:
Greetings G&D fans,

I recently acquired original passes for both the G&D and the Narrow
Gauge
DG&H of John Allen fame. They are photographic prints and appear to
be
signed by the master himself. They were part of a larger collection
of
vintage MRR passes I purchased on EBAY. While not listed in the
description
the attached photo for the auction appeared to have these passes,
and as
luck would have it they were.
Does anyone have experience with these passes? With his
photographic work in
the press, and the timeframe involved, it makes sense that he would
use that
medium to reproduce his passes.
As a side note, any idea of their actual value? No, not interested
in
selling. Regardless of their worth, the link to the past has the
most value.

Thanks Much,
Bob Burgoyne


----- Original Message -----
From: <drs_rr@y...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [GandD] Re: Switching at Port


Unfortunatly Allen Fenton passed away in August of 2001, Glenn
Joesten now has the timesaver, see the link included:

http://www.pcrnmra.org/coast/dispatcher/Dec/Dec2001_Page01.doc

Dave Salamon
N Scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?
p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382


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Re: G&D slides

Keith Roger
 

Keith;
The house sat vacant for many years (I grew up down the street). We bought
it and fixed it up, it was never rented. We lowered the floor in the
basement due to not enough headroom for living space (big job breaking up
the cement and heartbreaking job of tearing out what was left of the
layout!!). It is now my workshop/storage etc. I am not into modeling trains
but certainly know what John and his layout was. My brother does modeling
with the local club that works out of the old train station in Salinas, he
also is building a ride-able steam engine.
....Keith
ps I will try to get a pic posted of a control panel that may be of
interest......

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:01:42 -0000
From: "tonkamoes <atticat@...>" <atticat@...>
Subject: Re: G&D slides

Hi Keith, this is Keith in Fresno, Long time Monterey resident. Are
you building a railroad in the old house? I know the house was worked
over during restoration. And it was rented for many years. Did they
wall off the un-improved area under the house where the layout was?
Happy Hoildays, Keith

Deleting Photos Questions

tom+hokel <thokel@frameworksoft.com> <thokel@...>
 

How do you delete a photo from an album? When I click the "Delete"
button, the system prompts me to "Select a photo to delete." But, I
can't figure out how to "select the photo."

Thanks,
Tom Hokel

GD Original Pics - Group Album

tom+hokel <thokel@frameworksoft.com> <thokel@...>
 

I set up a new photo album called "GD Original Pics - Group Album."
This album is for all of us to post "orginal" pictures of the GD. For
example, I posted the GD Timesaver picture (with Allan Fenton) to
this album. We could set up other albums, such as GD - MR, GD - PFM,
GD- RMC, GD - NMRA Bulletin, GD - MDC, GD - Varney, etc., which would
contain scanned pictures of the GD from these publications and
manufacturers.

A word of caution though, we need to be sensitive to copyright
issues. With the exception of PFM and Varney, these enterprises are
still in business. This also applies to scanning articles. If in
doubt, receive written permission from them.

Tom Hokel

G&D Book on eBay

Pat Turner
 

I know there were a couple of you looking for this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2902974532

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org

Has anyone ever modeled the first G&D layout?

Tommy Schwnn
 

Hi, I'm new to the G&D group and wonder if I could get some advice
from you members. I was an ardent John Allen fan in my early teens
back in 1948-50. After all these years I have gotten back in the
hobby with a passion and my first mission is to try to model some of
those wonderful scenes, Have any of you ever tried to build a layout
like the first, small G&D? My plan is to start with about a 3x5 foot
module recreating the famous Gorre scene. I have a John Allen FSM
kit which will give me a good start. Plus a Scale Structures
turntable kit, and a Timberline Colorado Midland Bridge kit which
looks remarkably similar to Allen's straining beam truss bridge. But
here's my dilemma as I try to plot out the module. First: I could
really use some advice on the dimensions of the Gorre stone viaduct
and any ideas on how to model the stone facing. I've practially worn
out my copy of the Wescott John Allen book looking at the Gorre
scenes. 1. Has anyone ever figured out the dimensions of the
viaduct? If I could get one dimension, I may be able to plot out the
others. 2. Any thoughts on how to model the stone? Would you carve
it out of plaster? (Not sure of my artistic skills.) Or is it a
mosaic of flat tiles, like cardboard chips, painted or plastered
over? I've even thought of buying a bunch of tunnel portals out of
the Walther's catalog, but haven't found anything that looks close
enough. My second question is this: have any of you ever modeled
the sttraining truss bridge? Again, if I could get one demension, I
could probably plot out the others. And has anyone modeled the
supporting towers in the center of the bridge? I know I could put
together something passable out of dowels and scale timbers, but I'd
really like to be as accurate as possible if anybody had any kind of
drawing, photo or other reference. And one last small detail: do
any of you know of a source for miniature bolt heads or nuts that
fasten the timbers together? I've searched through a couple of
catalogs and can't fine anything. Lastly, if any of you G&D fans
have ever attempted to model John Allen's first G&D, I would love to
hear about your experiences. Thanks, Tom Bartholomew

Modeling Gorre Module.

Tommy Schwnn
 

Hi, I'm new to the G&D group and wonder if I could get some advice from you members. I was an ardent John Allen fan in my early teens back in 1948-50. After all these years I have gotten back in the hobby with a passion and my first mission is to try to model some of those wonderful scenes, Have any of you ever tried to build a layout like the first, small G&D? My plan is to start with about a 3x5 foot module recreating the famous Gorre scene. I have a John Allen FSM kit which will give me a good start. Plus a Scale Structures turntable kit, and a Timberline Colorado Midland Bridge kit which looks remarkably similar to Allen's straining beam truss bridge. But here's my dilemma as I try to plot out the module. First: I could really use some advice on the dimensions of the Gorre stone viaduct and any ideas on how to model the stone facing. I've practially worn out my copy of the Wescott John Allen book looking at the Gorre scenes. 1. Has anyone ever figured out the dimensions of the viaduct? If I could get one dimension, I may be able to plot out the others. 2. Any thoughts on how to model the stone? Would you carve it out of plaster? (Not sure of my artistic skills.) Or is it a mosaic of flat tiles, like cardboard chips, painted or plastered over? I've even thought of buying a bunch of tunnel portals out of the Walther's catalog, but haven't found anything that looks close enough. My second question is this: have any of you ever modeled the sttraining truss bridge? Again, if I could get one demension, I could probably plot out the others. And has anyone modeled the supporting towers in the center of the bridge? I know I could put together something passable out of dowels and scale timbers, but I'd really like to be as accurate as possible if anybody had any kind of drawing, photo or other reference. And one last small detail: do any of you know of a source for miniature bolt heads or nuts that fasten the timbers together? I've searched through a couple of catalogs and can't fine anything. Lastly, if any of you G&D fans have ever attempted to model John Allen's first G&D, I would love to hear about your experiences. Thanks, Tom Bartholomew

Re: G&D slides

Dave
 

Pat,

I don't have a projector either. I borrowed a small view once to
look at them, I had 2 of them printed in an 8x10, another 5x7 and
thats it. If I get a chance over the next couple of days I'll scan
them and post them. I should just go and have them all printed.

Dave Salamon
N Scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382

Re: G&D/DG&H Passes

Pat Turner
 

I have seen the G&D passes sell on eBay in the past for over $100.00.
I would think the DG&H pass would sell for even more as there were
not as many of them around.

Pat T.

--- In GandD@..., "Bob Burgoyne" <cxsnut@m...> wrote:
Greetings G&D fans,

I recently acquired original passes for both the G&D and the Narrow
Gauge
DG&H of John Allen fame. They are photographic prints and appear to
be
signed by the master himself. They were part of a larger collection
of
vintage MRR passes I purchased on EBAY. While not listed in the
description
the attached photo for the auction appeared to have these passes,
and as
luck would have it they were.
Does anyone have experience with these passes? With his
photographic work in
the press, and the timeframe involved, it makes sense that he would
use that
medium to reproduce his passes.
As a side note, any idea of their actual value? No, not interested
in
selling. Regardless of their worth, the link to the past has the
most value.

Thanks Much,
Bob Burgoyne


----- Original Message -----
From: <drs_rr@y...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [GandD] Re: Switching at Port


Unfortunatly Allen Fenton passed away in August of 2001, Glenn
Joesten now has the timesaver, see the link included:

http://www.pcrnmra.org/coast/dispatcher/Dec/Dec2001_Page01.doc

Dave Salamon
N Scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?
p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382


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G&D/DG&H Passes

Bob Burgoyne <cxsnut@...>
 

Greetings G&D fans,

I recently acquired original passes for both the G&D and the Narrow Gauge
DG&H of John Allen fame. They are photographic prints and appear to be
signed by the master himself. They were part of a larger collection of
vintage MRR passes I purchased on EBAY. While not listed in the description
the attached photo for the auction appeared to have these passes, and as
luck would have it they were.
Does anyone have experience with these passes? With his photographic work in
the press, and the timeframe involved, it makes sense that he would use that
medium to reproduce his passes.
As a side note, any idea of their actual value? No, not interested in
selling. Regardless of their worth, the link to the past has the most value.

Thanks Much,
Bob Burgoyne

----- Original Message -----
From: <drs_rr@...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [GandD] Re: Switching at Port


Unfortunatly Allen Fenton passed away in August of 2001, Glenn
Joesten now has the timesaver, see the link included:

http://www.pcrnmra.org/coast/dispatcher/Dec/Dec2001_Page01.doc

Dave Salamon
N Scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382


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Timesaver picture

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Hi all,

WOW - great activity and surprises over the last week - a big thank
you to all of you!! Hopefully those slides can be posted !!!

Here is a link in which the gentleman on the right is identified as
Allen Fenton (I will add it to the links page):

http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/sw-timesaver.html

Here is the caption:

Here's the original "Timesaver" layout built by John Allen (together
with its duplicate twin, built by Bill Corsa shortly after the
original miraculously survived the fire which destroyed so much of
Allen's modelling) and seen on working display at the NMRA Convention
2000 in San Jose. It was owned by one of the original Gorre &
Daphetid operators, the late Allan Fenton (right); current plans are
to donate the original layout to the NMRA Howell Day Museum, while
the copy twin of the original is to go to the San Diego Model
Railroad Museum.

Happy New Year!!

Jeff

Re: G&D slides

tonkamoes <atticat@attbi.com> <atticat@...>
 

Hi Keith, this is Keith in Fresno, Long time Monterey resident. Are
you building a railroad in the old house? I know the house was worked
over during restoration. And it was rented for many years. Did they
wall off the un-improved area under the house where the layout was?
Happy Hoildays, Keith
--- In GandD@..., "Keith" <1king26@r...> wrote:
Hi, this is Keith in Monterey. I live in John's house.
When we bought the place we found a box of slides and my Dad got in
contact
with someone which (I believe, been awhile) resulted in a series
articles in
one of the model RR mags. I am not sure if we have any of the
slides left, I
will ask him, but he has moved several times and has had a stroke
etc....
ps I have part of a salvaged control panel if someone is curious in
identifying it. How do I post pics???.....Keith

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:04:00 -0000
From: "Dave <drs_rr@y...>" <drs_rr@y...>
Subject: G&D slides

about 15 years ago or so, not for sure the exact time. I saw an
ad in
the back of MR for a 40 slide set of the G&D, which I purchased.
today I pulled out the pack of slides and with it came a letter
head
from the G&D and a sheet with a description of each slide. At the
top
it says that there is enough slides to do another set, they said
if
enough interest they'd produce them. Does anyone know if they
ever
did do a second set? And if not what ever happened to all those
slides? The company was or is called West Coast Slides from San
Pedro, California, I can't seem to locate them using the internet
yellow pages.

Thanks,
Dave Salamon

Re: Original GD Timesaver

tonkamoes <atticat@attbi.com> <atticat@...>
 

I am sorry, I can't identify either of them. It has been over 25
years since I have seen any of the old crew. The gray haired
gentilman looks like it could be Joe Cane, But he would have to be
over 100 years old by now.
Happy Railroading, Keith B.
--- In GandD@..., "tom+hokel <thokel@f...>" <thokel@f...>
wrote:
Dave and Keith,

I posted a picture to the Pine Ridge RR album of the original GD
Timesaver that I pulled off the web last September. I just can't
remember from where. Maybe you could identify these gentlemen.

We should probably set up a "GD Original Pics" album for general
posting. (Pat Turner, what do you think?)

And, Keith thank you so much for sharing the #43 pictures and those
of both Pine Canyon RRs. They are great!

Tom Hokel

Re: G&D slides

Pat Turner
 

Posting pics it easy. Go to either the "Files" or the "Photos" page. Select
"Make Folder" fill in the blanks. The Select "Add Photo/File" and pic your
photo off your hard drive.
It is easy to do, don't worry.

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith [mailto:1king26@...]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:48 PM
To: GandD@...
Subject: Re: [GandD] G&D slides


Hi, this is Keith in Monterey. I live in John's house.
When we bought the place we found a box of slides and my Dad got in contact
with someone which (I believe, been awhile) resulted in a series articles in
one of the model RR mags. I am not sure if we have any of the slides left, I
will ask him, but he has moved several times and has had a stroke etc....
ps I have part of a salvaged control panel if someone is curious in
identifying it. How do I post pics???.....Keith

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:04:00 -0000
From: "Dave <drs_rr@...>" <drs_rr@...>
Subject: G&D slides

about 15 years ago or so, not for sure the exact time. I saw an ad in
the back of MR for a 40 slide set of the G&D, which I purchased.
today I pulled out the pack of slides and with it came a letter head
from the G&D and a sheet with a description of each slide. At the top
it says that there is enough slides to do another set, they said if
enough interest they'd produce them. Does anyone know if they ever
did do a second set? And if not what ever happened to all those
slides? The company was or is called West Coast Slides from San
Pedro, California, I can't seem to locate them using the internet
yellow pages.

Thanks,
Dave Salamon

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Re: G&D slides

Keith Roger
 

Hi, this is Keith in Monterey. I live in John's house.
When we bought the place we found a box of slides and my Dad got in contact
with someone which (I believe, been awhile) resulted in a series articles in
one of the model RR mags. I am not sure if we have any of the slides left, I
will ask him, but he has moved several times and has had a stroke etc....
ps I have part of a salvaged control panel if someone is curious in
identifying it. How do I post pics???.....Keith

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:04:00 -0000
From: "Dave <drs_rr@...>" <drs_rr@...>
Subject: G&D slides

about 15 years ago or so, not for sure the exact time. I saw an ad in
the back of MR for a 40 slide set of the G&D, which I purchased.
today I pulled out the pack of slides and with it came a letter head
from the G&D and a sheet with a description of each slide. At the top
it says that there is enough slides to do another set, they said if
enough interest they'd produce them. Does anyone know if they ever
did do a second set? And if not what ever happened to all those
slides? The company was or is called West Coast Slides from San
Pedro, California, I can't seem to locate them using the internet
yellow pages.

Thanks,
Dave Salamon

Re: G&D slides

James Powell <james.powell@...>
 

Keith and all...

I think the article series Keith is referring to is the ones by Jim Findley.


James
www.trevinocircle.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith" <1king26@...>
To: <GandD@...>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [GandD] G&D slides


Hi, this is Keith in Monterey. I live in John's house.
When we bought the place we found a box of slides and my Dad got in
contact
with someone which (I believe, been awhile) resulted in a series articles
in
one of the model RR mags. I am not sure if we have any of the slides left,
I
will ask him, but he has moved several times and has had a stroke etc....
ps I have part of a salvaged control panel if someone is curious in
identifying it. How do I post pics???.....Keith

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:04:00 -0000
From: "Dave <drs_rr@...>" <drs_rr@...>
Subject: G&D slides

about 15 years ago or so, not for sure the exact time. I saw an ad in
the back of MR for a 40 slide set of the G&D, which I purchased.
today I pulled out the pack of slides and with it came a letter head
from the G&D and a sheet with a description of each slide. At the top
it says that there is enough slides to do another set, they said if
enough interest they'd produce them. Does anyone know if they ever
did do a second set? And if not what ever happened to all those
slides? The company was or is called West Coast Slides from San
Pedro, California, I can't seem to locate them using the internet
yellow pages.

Thanks,
Dave Salamon

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Re: G&D slides

Pat Turner
 

I remember seeing those ads and I never ordered any as I didn't have a
slide projector to view them.
Any chance of scanning them and posting to the list?
There have also been other G&D items listed in the back of MR over the
years. There was a guy selling custom lettered G&D reffers in three car sets
several years ago. I did order these and there are very nice well done
white, wood reffers.

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org


about 15 years ago or so, not for sure the exact time. I saw an ad in
the back of MR for a 40 slide set of the G&D, which I purchased.
today I pulled out the pack of slides and with it came a letter head
from the G&D and a sheet with a description of each slide. At the top
it says that there is enough slides to do another set, they said if
enough interest they'd produce them. Does anyone know if they ever
did do a second set? And if not what ever happened to all those
slides? The company was or is called West Coast Slides from San
Pedro, California, I can't seem to locate them using the internet
yellow pages.

Thanks,
Dave Salamon
N scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382

G&D slides

Dave
 

about 15 years ago or so, not for sure the exact time. I saw an ad in
the back of MR for a 40 slide set of the G&D, which I purchased.
today I pulled out the pack of slides and with it came a letter head
from the G&D and a sheet with a description of each slide. At the top
it says that there is enough slides to do another set, they said if
enough interest they'd produce them. Does anyone know if they ever
did do a second set? And if not what ever happened to all those
slides? The company was or is called West Coast Slides from San
Pedro, California, I can't seem to locate them using the internet
yellow pages.

Thanks,
Dave Salamon
N scale - Deep River Southern
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=330031&uid=168382

Re: Original GD Timesaver

Pat Turner
 

Yes, an album for original G&D pics would be a good idea. I don't think
many of us have any original pics we took, but I will take all that are
posted.

Pat Turner, SER/V.P.
www.On30.org
www.Sn3.org


Dave and Keith,

I posted a picture to the Pine Ridge RR album of the original GD
Timesaver that I pulled off the web last September. I just can't
remember from where. Maybe you could identify these gentlemen.

We should probably set up a "GD Original Pics" album for general
posting. (Pat Turner, what do you think?)

And, Keith thank you so much for sharing the #43 pictures and those
of both Pine Canyon RRs. They are great!

Tom Hokel