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Re: Timesaver in O Scale

Charles Kinzer
 

I had posted last year about an article in the April/May 2019 O Gauge Railroading magazine about a O Gauge 3-Rail Timesaver.  (In the 3-Rail world, it is usually called “O Gauge” and not “O Scale”.)  It used Lionel FasTrack.

 

This one in the NMRA magazine using Ross Custom switches and, I presume, GarGraves track otherwise, is certainly more realistic looking.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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From: Ken Vandevoort via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 3:47 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: [GandD] Timesaver in O Scale

 

The June, 2020 issue of NMRA Magazine features an article by John Robert Coy about how he built a Timesaver in O Scale.  It is actually 3-rail O Scale.  It looks great.

Ken Vandevoort

 


Timesaver in O Scale

Ken Vandevoort
 

The June, 2020 issue of NMRA Magazine features an article by John Robert Coy about how he built a Timesaver in O Scale.  It is actually 3-rail O Scale.  It looks great.

Ken Vandevoort


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Rick Jones
 

On 5/23/2020 3:05 PM, Ken Moordigian via groups.io wrote:
By the way, I have a bunch, a big bunch, of Central Valley trucks from the 80's that I've taken off and replaced with Kadee's for the sake of the Rogue Valley Model Railroad Club... sigh... They're in storage until someone wants them or I decide to put them on cars I haven't bought to run on a layout I may never build!
I would be very interested in buying whatever CV trucks you may want to part with. E-mail me if interested. I love the CV trucks and pick them up whenever I can get them at a reasonable price. Too many professional sellers want to price gouge for them.

--

Rick Jones

I can see clearly now, the brain is gone...


Re: G&D visit

Randy Lee Decker
 
Edited

Yes indeed Jeff,   you can still find the Diamond scale stuff including those engine service poles.  I believe Sheepscot might have made a version of these for a time as well.  Or one of the more recent companies that sold cool stuff….

BTW that turntable is looking killer..  !  

Randy

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 8:05 PM Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io <jlwitt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I went and reviewed that issue, and found a neat item in the product reviews, by Diamond Scale; a garden track tower:

They are still around, and these are listed, so Randy...???

I bought one of their magnificent turntables years ago, and the proprietor seemed pretty senior back then when I spoke to him on the phone about some missing parts. He grumbled about the incompetent helpers he had and shipped the parts right out. It's a nice unit:


By the way, I am sticking with Kadee #4 and #5 (or the whisker version), as their "scale" version has a limited gathering range. I use ramps only (NO PICKS!), with electromagnetic ones where needed for limiting unwanted uncoupling. I use an Arduino to control it; press the button, and it energizes for 10 seconds, and starts blinking for the last 3 seconds, so you can "renew" the 10 seconds if needed with another tap.

Jeff

 


Re: G&D visit

Jeffrey L Witt
 
Edited

I went and reviewed that issue, and found a neat item in the product reviews, by Diamond Scale; a garden track tower:

They are still around, and these are listed, so Randy...???

I bought one of their magnificent turntables years ago, and the proprietor seemed pretty senior back then when I spoke to him on the phone about some missing parts. He grumbled about the incompetent helpers he had and shipped the parts right out. It's a nice unit:


By the way, I am sticking with Kadee #4 and #5 (or the whisker version), as their "scale" version has a limited gathering range. I use ramps only (NO PICKS!), with electromagnetic ones where needed for limiting unwanted uncoupling. I use an Arduino to control it; press the button, and it energizes for 10 seconds, and starts blinking for the last 3 seconds, so you can "renew" the 10 seconds if needed with another tap.

Jeff

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

Hilarious… here's the combined memories of some of the G&D operators concerning the Baker Couplers.  Compliments of GDLines.org...     its a great read.   Enjoy

http://www.gdlines.org/GDLines/baker.html

Randy


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

Well it is all conjecture anyway...  but like I said John's layout was built for operations more than aesthetics.  The fact that most of us were blown away by the look and details and could overlook things like the couplers is just all part of John's talents showing through.  The Baker vs Kadee couplers is something apparently John felt strongly about.  I did not know all this. 
   I always thought he did not want to change as he was used to making them work like a charm and he had hundreds of cars already set up with them and by the time he got the layout done on Cielo Vista Terrace the operators all knew how to work them and he had the bugs worked out of his layout fairly well and did not want to change.  But if he had an actual dislike for the product then I am sure they would have never ended up on his cars even in later years. 
 
On a personal NOTE...   ;  I have grown so accustomed to the size of the Kadee's I don't even see how out of scale they are anymore.  I bet true scale couplers would look very odd....at least for a while.     Now the HOn3 couplers are better.....  If Kadee made an N scale version that would be close enough to be of usable size and satisfy the most discerning modelers tastes........ IMHO   
 In the meantime they do resemble the real thing to the human eye from 3' well enough for me.... and in truth....only the most particularly anal model maker would care enough to mention it, much less take notice.

Randy  



Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Warner Swarner
 

Ken, sorry I didn’t sign my name to the post.  
I believe these are Baker couplers that John used.
Please correct me if my memory is off.
Interesting story about John refusing offer for free KD couplers.
He did not use knuckle tape and especially disapproved of the “NMRA” XF2 horn hook design. 
Warner Swarner

I will try to attach a photo of Baker couplers.





On May 23, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Ken Moordigian via groups.io <TheKenWiley@...> wrote:


Randy,

I don't even remember what couplers were on Johns layout!  Although I was young, as I remember, John was always on the cutting edge of technology and innovation.

I would have thought he would have been one of the first to use Kadee couplers, and would have complained that they were much larger than the prototype.  What was his complaint about them?

I like to think he would have had a computer in the mid 70's if not before, and had his timeline better coincided with them, he would have written articles about sound decoders to inspire ESU founders...

But that's just my impression of the man.

By the way, I have a bunch, a big bunch, of Central Valley trucks from the 80's that I've taken off and replaced with Kadee's for the sake of the Rogue Valley Model Railroad Club... sigh... They're in storage until someone wants them or I decide to put them on cars I haven't bought to run on a layout I may never build!

Ken Moordigian


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Lee Decker <randyleedecker@...>
To: GandD@groups.io
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Well...  for my recreation of the G&D I am trying to model an era Just before Johns... (1948) is the theme I am trying to stay with for all automobiles and signage and things that give the era away...  Wooden Cars were still very much in use and it is my modeling desire to show Steel cars as fairly new and clean whereas I have still have more than 100 beautiful wood cars of all kinds on the line.    So although they are built now... I am one of the guy's who is very much into wood cars and central valley trucks  but I do use Kadee's of course.

BTW  I think that sometime in the 1970's John would have given in and switched over to the kadee type couplers... at the time his layout was all about "Functionality"...  more than aesthetics.  His aesthetics were just better than most people who cared about it more.  For the time being his baker type couplers worked well for the layouts functionality and he had the little ramps all in place and the operators knew where they all were and lets face it.  Changing things on a major layout is far more work and time than if you planned it in to begin with...…. 

So even though I am a "wooden built" car guy..  I can't deny the advantages of DCC....  I am worried about the expense of it all...  I already have the best DC equipment made ready to go including the PFM system and all the toys..   So it hurts to have to make the change after all that research and investment in DC....  but hey at this point the feed wires are in and just hanging so anything is possible....

BTW....  I doubt John would have changed to DCC....  #1 DCC did not come into it own as a "go to operating system" and with more affordable components until within the past 10 years.... John would have been nearly 100 by then....  Today it still would be so much work he would admit the advantages (I bet he would endorse its use by new layouts wholeheartedly) and I bet he'd use some of the nice little lighting features... but I do not believe he would crawl under there and change everything out..... Couplers...  Perhaps...?    Who knows..      

Randy

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:46 AM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
Well, the technology has sure changed the model railroading hobby a lot.  (For those who want the new capabilities, some still use DC and make wood kits.  But I guess electricity was new at one time.)
 
I have often wondered what John Allen would have done with the technology, or not, if he were around.  While he was luddite about Kadee couplers, apparently for practical reasons, he would certainly have appreciated the operating advantages of getting away from DC block control.  He seemed to be an operator at a time when many still just watched the trains loop around (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
 
The JMRIusers group (Java Model Railroad Interface) at groups.io has 9,609 members.  It was once the 8th largest group out of about 29,000 groups.  I see it has slipped to 30th.  Digitrax-Users is now 42nd.
 
To bend the off topic just once more on my part, this is a joke my minister brother once told me.
 
“The U.S. government gathered all the brightest minds in computer development to design the most powerful computer of all time.  The purpose was to ask it for answers to age old questions.  When they completed it, the first question asked was the biggest question of all, “Is there a God?”  The computer replied, “There is now!”
 
Charles E “Chuck” Kinzer
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:58 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org
 
To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  
 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   
  
    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   
 
 
Randy   
 
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:
Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.
On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:
While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:
 
 
Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Warner Swarner
 
Edited

John exclusively used Baker Couplers. He totally resisted (Refused) using KD (Even though he was offered a free supply) or any other coupler. 
I am sure someone here on this board can tell the story better than I.  
I have what I believe are some Baker couplers. Not sure how to post photo but will try.
Please correct me if theses are not Baker





On May 23, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Ken Moordigian via groups.io <TheKenWiley@...> wrote:


Randy,

I don't even remember what couplers were on Johns layout!  Although I was young, as I remember, John was always on the cutting edge of technology and innovation.

I would have thought he would have been one of the first to use Kadee couplers, and would have complained that they were much larger than the prototype.  What was his complaint about them?

I like to think he would have had a computer in the mid 70's if not before, and had his timeline better coincided with them, he would have written articles about sound decoders to inspire ESU founders...

But that's just my impression of the man.

By the way, I have a bunch, a big bunch, of Central Valley trucks from the 80's that I've taken off and replaced with Kadee's for the sake of the Rogue Valley Model Railroad Club... sigh... They're in storage until someone wants them or I decide to put them on cars I haven't bought to run on a layout I may never build!

Ken Moordigian


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Lee Decker <randyleedecker@...>
To: GandD@groups.io
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Well...  for my recreation of the G&D I am trying to model an era Just before Johns... (1948) is the theme I am trying to stay with for all automobiles and signage and things that give the era away...  Wooden Cars were still very much in use and it is my modeling desire to show Steel cars as fairly new and clean whereas I have still have more than 100 beautiful wood cars of all kinds on the line.    So although they are built now... I am one of the guy's who is very much into wood cars and central valley trucks  but I do use Kadee's of course.

BTW  I think that sometime in the 1970's John would have given in and switched over to the kadee type couplers... at the time his layout was all about "Functionality"...  more than aesthetics.  His aesthetics were just better than most people who cared about it more.  For the time being his baker type couplers worked well for the layouts functionality and he had the little ramps all in place and the operators knew where they all were and lets face it.  Changing things on a major layout is far more work and time than if you planned it in to begin with...…. 

So even though I am a "wooden built" car guy..  I can't deny the advantages of DCC....  I am worried about the expense of it all...  I already have the best DC equipment made ready to go including the PFM system and all the toys..   So it hurts to have to make the change after all that research and investment in DC....  but hey at this point the feed wires are in and just hanging so anything is possible....

BTW....  I doubt John would have changed to DCC....  #1 DCC did not come into it own as a "go to operating system" and with more affordable components until within the past 10 years.... John would have been nearly 100 by then....  Today it still would be so much work he would admit the advantages (I bet he would endorse its use by new layouts wholeheartedly) and I bet he'd use some of the nice little lighting features... but I do not believe he would crawl under there and change everything out..... Couplers...  Perhaps...?    Who knows..      

Randy

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:46 AM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
Well, the technology has sure changed the model railroading hobby a lot.  (For those who want the new capabilities, some still use DC and make wood kits.  But I guess electricity was new at one time.)
 
I have often wondered what John Allen would have done with the technology, or not, if he were around.  While he was luddite about Kadee couplers, apparently for practical reasons, he would certainly have appreciated the operating advantages of getting away from DC block control.  He seemed to be an operator at a time when many still just watched the trains loop around (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
 
The JMRIusers group (Java Model Railroad Interface) at groups.io has 9,609 members.  It was once the 8th largest group out of about 29,000 groups.  I see it has slipped to 30th.  Digitrax-Users is now 42nd.
 
To bend the off topic just once more on my part, this is a joke my minister brother once told me.
 
“The U.S. government gathered all the brightest minds in computer development to design the most powerful computer of all time.  The purpose was to ask it for answers to age old questions.  When they completed it, the first question asked was the biggest question of all, “Is there a God?”  The computer replied, “There is now!”
 
Charles E “Chuck” Kinzer
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:58 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org
 
To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  
 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   
  
    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   
 
 
Randy   
 
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:
Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.
On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:
While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:
 
 
Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Ken Moordigian
 

Randy,

I don't even remember what couplers were on Johns layout!  Although I was young, as I remember, John was always on the cutting edge of technology and innovation.

I would have thought he would have been one of the first to use Kadee couplers, and would have complained that they were much larger than the prototype.  What was his complaint about them?

I like to think he would have had a computer in the mid 70's if not before, and had his timeline better coincided with them, he would have written articles about sound decoders to inspire ESU founders...

But that's just my impression of the man.

By the way, I have a bunch, a big bunch, of Central Valley trucks from the 80's that I've taken off and replaced with Kadee's for the sake of the Rogue Valley Model Railroad Club... sigh... They're in storage until someone wants them or I decide to put them on cars I haven't bought to run on a layout I may never build!

Ken Moordigian


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Lee Decker <randyleedecker@...>
To: GandD@groups.io
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Well...  for my recreation of the G&D I am trying to model an era Just before Johns... (1948) is the theme I am trying to stay with for all automobiles and signage and things that give the era away...  Wooden Cars were still very much in use and it is my modeling desire to show Steel cars as fairly new and clean whereas I have still have more than 100 beautiful wood cars of all kinds on the line.    So although they are built now... I am one of the guy's who is very much into wood cars and central valley trucks  but I do use Kadee's of course.

BTW  I think that sometime in the 1970's John would have given in and switched over to the kadee type couplers... at the time his layout was all about "Functionality"...  more than aesthetics.  His aesthetics were just better than most people who cared about it more.  For the time being his baker type couplers worked well for the layouts functionality and he had the little ramps all in place and the operators knew where they all were and lets face it.  Changing things on a major layout is far more work and time than if you planned it in to begin with...…. 

So even though I am a "wooden built" car guy..  I can't deny the advantages of DCC....  I am worried about the expense of it all...  I already have the best DC equipment made ready to go including the PFM system and all the toys..   So it hurts to have to make the change after all that research and investment in DC....  but hey at this point the feed wires are in and just hanging so anything is possible....

BTW....  I doubt John would have changed to DCC....  #1 DCC did not come into it own as a "go to operating system" and with more affordable components until within the past 10 years.... John would have been nearly 100 by then....  Today it still would be so much work he would admit the advantages (I bet he would endorse its use by new layouts wholeheartedly) and I bet he'd use some of the nice little lighting features... but I do not believe he would crawl under there and change everything out..... Couplers...  Perhaps...?    Who knows..      

Randy

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:46 AM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
Well, the technology has sure changed the model railroading hobby a lot.  (For those who want the new capabilities, some still use DC and make wood kits.  But I guess electricity was new at one time.)
 
I have often wondered what John Allen would have done with the technology, or not, if he were around.  While he was luddite about Kadee couplers, apparently for practical reasons, he would certainly have appreciated the operating advantages of getting away from DC block control.  He seemed to be an operator at a time when many still just watched the trains loop around (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
 
The JMRIusers group (Java Model Railroad Interface) at groups.io has 9,609 members.  It was once the 8th largest group out of about 29,000 groups.  I see it has slipped to 30th.  Digitrax-Users is now 42nd.
 
To bend the off topic just once more on my part, this is a joke my minister brother once told me.
 
“The U.S. government gathered all the brightest minds in computer development to design the most powerful computer of all time.  The purpose was to ask it for answers to age old questions.  When they completed it, the first question asked was the biggest question of all, “Is there a God?”  The computer replied, “There is now!”
 
Charles E “Chuck” Kinzer
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:58 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org
 
To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  
 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   
  
    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   
 
 
Randy   
 
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:
Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.
On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:
While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:
 
 
Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

Well...  for my recreation of the G&D I am trying to model an era Just before Johns... (1948) is the theme I am trying to stay with for all automobiles and signage and things that give the era away...  Wooden Cars were still very much in use and it is my modeling desire to show Steel cars as fairly new and clean whereas I have still have more than 100 beautiful wood cars of all kinds on the line.    So although they are built now... I am one of the guy's who is very much into wood cars and central valley trucks  but I do use Kadee's of course.

BTW  I think that sometime in the 1970's John would have given in and switched over to the kadee type couplers... at the time his layout was all about "Functionality"...  more than aesthetics.  His aesthetics were just better than most people who cared about it more.  For the time being his baker type couplers worked well for the layouts functionality and he had the little ramps all in place and the operators knew where they all were and lets face it.  Changing things on a major layout is far more work and time than if you planned it in to begin with...…. 

So even though I am a "wooden built" car guy..  I can't deny the advantages of DCC....  I am worried about the expense of it all...  I already have the best DC equipment made ready to go including the PFM system and all the toys..   So it hurts to have to make the change after all that research and investment in DC....  but hey at this point the feed wires are in and just hanging so anything is possible....

BTW....  I doubt John would have changed to DCC....  #1 DCC did not come into it own as a "go to operating system" and with more affordable components until within the past 10 years.... John would have been nearly 100 by then....  Today it still would be so much work he would admit the advantages (I bet he would endorse its use by new layouts wholeheartedly) and I bet he'd use some of the nice little lighting features... but I do not believe he would crawl under there and change everything out..... Couplers...  Perhaps...?    Who knows..      

Randy

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:46 AM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

Well, the technology has sure changed the model railroading hobby a lot.  (For those who want the new capabilities, some still use DC and make wood kits.  But I guess electricity was new at one time.)

 

I have often wondered what John Allen would have done with the technology, or not, if he were around.  While he was luddite about Kadee couplers, apparently for practical reasons, he would certainly have appreciated the operating advantages of getting away from DC block control.  He seemed to be an operator at a time when many still just watched the trains loop around (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

 

The JMRIusers group (Java Model Railroad Interface) at groups.io has 9,609 members.  It was once the 8th largest group out of about 29,000 groups.  I see it has slipped to 30th.  Digitrax-Users is now 42nd.

 

To bend the off topic just once more on my part, this is a joke my minister brother once told me.

 

“The U.S. government gathered all the brightest minds in computer development to design the most powerful computer of all time.  The purpose was to ask it for answers to age old questions.  When they completed it, the first question asked was the biggest question of all, “Is there a God?”  The computer replied, “There is now!”

 

Charles E “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:58 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  

 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   

  

    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   

 

 

Randy   

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: G&D visit

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Hi Al,

I pulled out  my copy of the Jan 1989 MR issue you mentioned. When I was lighting the structures at Great Divide, Hopper's Nighthawk painting came to mind. Although, my version is a Standard Oil station office .Many of the G&D photos also have a "mood" … they move your feelings … and for me, for a long time.

This MR issue is fantastic! Several legends, including some really nice photos of the G&D. (That was a redundant statement, since all of John's photos are "really nice.")

Thanks for mention that article.
--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Charles Kinzer
 

Well, the technology has sure changed the model railroading hobby a lot.  (For those who want the new capabilities, some still use DC and make wood kits.  But I guess electricity was new at one time.)

 

I have often wondered what John Allen would have done with the technology, or not, if he were around.  While he was luddite about Kadee couplers, apparently for practical reasons, he would certainly have appreciated the operating advantages of getting away from DC block control.  He seemed to be an operator at a time when many still just watched the trains loop around (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

 

The JMRIusers group (Java Model Railroad Interface) at groups.io has 9,609 members.  It was once the 8th largest group out of about 29,000 groups.  I see it has slipped to 30th.  Digitrax-Users is now 42nd.

 

To bend the off topic just once more on my part, this is a joke my minister brother once told me.

 

“The U.S. government gathered all the brightest minds in computer development to design the most powerful computer of all time.  The purpose was to ask it for answers to age old questions.  When they completed it, the first question asked was the biggest question of all, “Is there a God?”  The computer replied, “There is now!”

 

Charles E “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:58 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  

 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   

  

    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   

 

 

Randy   

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  
 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   
  
    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   


Randy   

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:27 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

You can do that?  

 

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Thayer Syme
 

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:27 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

You can do that?  

 

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Charles Kinzer
 

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:27 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

You can do that?  

 

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

You can do that?  


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:09 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

I updated the site last night, you should be able to save the full-size images now; but clicking on a slide in the slide view window now doesn't take you to the next slide, you have to use the arrows at the top of the page. It takes you to a new window with the full size image with scroll bars - awkward.

This is an unfortunate limitation of the program, which veterans of gdlines.org are already used to - it's been that way since Peter first built the web site in 2006! But in those days, he limited the image sizes, too, based on dial-up connections (remeber those?) and VGA monitors. What a long way we've come. One of these days I'll rebuild the old pages at high resolution, with added material that's only on gdlines.info.

In any case, now you can use the "down arrow" to download (or view in your browser and save, depending on your settings) to get the full-size image.

Cheers, Jeff

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Charles Kinzer
 

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:09 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

I updated the site last night, you should be able to save the full-size images now; but clicking on a slide in the slide view window now doesn't take you to the next slide, you have to use the arrows at the top of the page. It takes you to a new window with the full size image with scroll bars - awkward.

This is an unfortunate limitation of the program, which veterans of gdlines.org are already used to - it's been that way since Peter first built the web site in 2006! But in those days, he limited the image sizes, too, based on dial-up connections (remeber those?) and VGA monitors. What a long way we've come. One of these days I'll rebuild the old pages at high resolution, with added material that's only on gdlines.info.

In any case, now you can use the "down arrow" to download (or view in your browser and save, depending on your settings) to get the full-size image.

Cheers, Jeff

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Jeffrey L Witt
 

I updated the site last night, you should be able to save the full-size images now; but clicking on a slide in the slide view window now doesn't take you to the next slide, you have to use the arrows at the top of the page. It takes you to a new window with the full size image with scroll bars - awkward.

This is an unfortunate limitation of the program, which veterans of gdlines.org are already used to - it's been that way since Peter first built the web site in 2006! But in those days, he limited the image sizes, too, based on dial-up connections (remeber those?) and VGA monitors. What a long way we've come. One of these days I'll rebuild the old pages at high resolution, with added material that's only on gdlines.info.

In any case, now you can use the "down arrow" to download (or view in your browser and save, depending on your settings) to get the full-size image.

Cheers, Jeff


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Bob Friddle
 



Thanks, Jeff, guess I never took it in til now. What a fun project that would make if I Only had the skill! A guy can dream, right?


Bob Friddle,


On May 18, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io <jlwitt@...> wrote:

 It's the C.D. Grandt, here's a photo/description of it.

http://gdlines.org/GDLines/GD_Galleries/Magazines/HO_Monthly/slides/HOM-19500100-011-300_70.html 

And another...
http://gdlines.org/GDLines/GD_Galleries/Magazines/RMC/slides/RMC-19480800-001-300_70.html 

And another...
http://gdlines.info/HOM-19481000-001-300_20.jpg 

With a more detailed description - it's actually G&D Loco #2:
http://gdlines.info/HOM-19481000-002-600_20.jpg 

Jeff

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