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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

Well...  for my recreation of the G&D I am trying to model an era Just before Johns... (1948) is the theme I am trying to stay with for all automobiles and signage and things that give the era away...  Wooden Cars were still very much in use and it is my modeling desire to show Steel cars as fairly new and clean whereas I have still have more than 100 beautiful wood cars of all kinds on the line.    So although they are built now... I am one of the guy's who is very much into wood cars and central valley trucks  but I do use Kadee's of course.

BTW  I think that sometime in the 1970's John would have given in and switched over to the kadee type couplers... at the time his layout was all about "Functionality"...  more than aesthetics.  His aesthetics were just better than most people who cared about it more.  For the time being his baker type couplers worked well for the layouts functionality and he had the little ramps all in place and the operators knew where they all were and lets face it.  Changing things on a major layout is far more work and time than if you planned it in to begin with...…. 

So even though I am a "wooden built" car guy..  I can't deny the advantages of DCC....  I am worried about the expense of it all...  I already have the best DC equipment made ready to go including the PFM system and all the toys..   So it hurts to have to make the change after all that research and investment in DC....  but hey at this point the feed wires are in and just hanging so anything is possible....

BTW....  I doubt John would have changed to DCC....  #1 DCC did not come into it own as a "go to operating system" and with more affordable components until within the past 10 years.... John would have been nearly 100 by then....  Today it still would be so much work he would admit the advantages (I bet he would endorse its use by new layouts wholeheartedly) and I bet he'd use some of the nice little lighting features... but I do not believe he would crawl under there and change everything out..... Couplers...  Perhaps...?    Who knows..      

Randy

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:46 AM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

Well, the technology has sure changed the model railroading hobby a lot.  (For those who want the new capabilities, some still use DC and make wood kits.  But I guess electricity was new at one time.)

 

I have often wondered what John Allen would have done with the technology, or not, if he were around.  While he was luddite about Kadee couplers, apparently for practical reasons, he would certainly have appreciated the operating advantages of getting away from DC block control.  He seemed to be an operator at a time when many still just watched the trains loop around (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

 

The JMRIusers group (Java Model Railroad Interface) at groups.io has 9,609 members.  It was once the 8th largest group out of about 29,000 groups.  I see it has slipped to 30th.  Digitrax-Users is now 42nd.

 

To bend the off topic just once more on my part, this is a joke my minister brother once told me.

 

“The U.S. government gathered all the brightest minds in computer development to design the most powerful computer of all time.  The purpose was to ask it for answers to age old questions.  When they completed it, the first question asked was the biggest question of all, “Is there a God?”  The computer replied, “There is now!”

 

Charles E “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:58 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  

 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   

  

    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   

 

 

Randy   

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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Re: G&D visit

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Hi Al,

I pulled out  my copy of the Jan 1989 MR issue you mentioned. When I was lighting the structures at Great Divide, Hopper's Nighthawk painting came to mind. Although, my version is a Standard Oil station office .Many of the G&D photos also have a "mood" … they move your feelings … and for me, for a long time.

This MR issue is fantastic! Several legends, including some really nice photos of the G&D. (That was a redundant statement, since all of John's photos are "really nice.")

Thanks for mention that article.
--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Charles Kinzer
 

Well, the technology has sure changed the model railroading hobby a lot.  (For those who want the new capabilities, some still use DC and make wood kits.  But I guess electricity was new at one time.)

 

I have often wondered what John Allen would have done with the technology, or not, if he were around.  While he was luddite about Kadee couplers, apparently for practical reasons, he would certainly have appreciated the operating advantages of getting away from DC block control.  He seemed to be an operator at a time when many still just watched the trains loop around (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

 

The JMRIusers group (Java Model Railroad Interface) at groups.io has 9,609 members.  It was once the 8th largest group out of about 29,000 groups.  I see it has slipped to 30th.  Digitrax-Users is now 42nd.

 

To bend the off topic just once more on my part, this is a joke my minister brother once told me.

 

“The U.S. government gathered all the brightest minds in computer development to design the most powerful computer of all time.  The purpose was to ask it for answers to age old questions.  When they completed it, the first question asked was the biggest question of all, “Is there a God?”  The computer replied, “There is now!”

 

Charles E “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:58 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  

 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   

  

    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   

 

 

Randy   

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

To keep it on topic a bit, I had a monster computer put together for me about 10 years ago.... It was a large case Lenovo, business, think station set up.  Friend of mine gave me 4 of the newest dual core processors and a fifth separate processor that just ran start up and basic internet functions.  The others were for all large photo's and movies.. (I was trying to make some background movie projections for a band I was in at the time) and they could run several tasks at once without slowing down my browsing....  He stacked all the memory cards he had in the slots and my rig was like a server....  It finally died this past month on me...  
 New Rig is set up for running the Epson V-800 scanner I have now for G&D negatives (and my own collection of copied railroad negatives, as I am an author as well and still do a lot of research.......) This new rig has only two processors … they "each" are 4 times the size of what I had combines before...... and the memory cards are each ten times what all of the stacked cards I had before.    I could be wrong..  it might be 100 times?   
  
    These things are going to become self aware....!    They are already smarter than a couple of the guys in here..   !  Including me...!  LOL..   


Randy   

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55 PM Thayer Syme <thayer@...> wrote:

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:27 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

You can do that?  

 

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Thayer Syme
 

Check the lower right corner. It is nice to know you can Telex them for more info first.

On 5/21/20 12:38 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:27 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

You can do that?  

 

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Charles Kinzer
 

While this is getting off topic, I’m also thinking of buying  a hard disk:

 

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Lee Decker
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:27 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

You can do that?  

 

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

You can do that?  


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:31 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:09 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

I updated the site last night, you should be able to save the full-size images now; but clicking on a slide in the slide view window now doesn't take you to the next slide, you have to use the arrows at the top of the page. It takes you to a new window with the full size image with scroll bars - awkward.

This is an unfortunate limitation of the program, which veterans of gdlines.org are already used to - it's been that way since Peter first built the web site in 2006! But in those days, he limited the image sizes, too, based on dial-up connections (remeber those?) and VGA monitors. What a long way we've come. One of these days I'll rebuild the old pages at high resolution, with added material that's only on gdlines.info.

In any case, now you can use the "down arrow" to download (or view in your browser and save, depending on your settings) to get the full-size image.

Cheers, Jeff

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Charles Kinzer
 

I know what you mean.  I’m still trying to decide if I want my text to display in green or amber.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:09 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

 

I updated the site last night, you should be able to save the full-size images now; but clicking on a slide in the slide view window now doesn't take you to the next slide, you have to use the arrows at the top of the page. It takes you to a new window with the full size image with scroll bars - awkward.

This is an unfortunate limitation of the program, which veterans of gdlines.org are already used to - it's been that way since Peter first built the web site in 2006! But in those days, he limited the image sizes, too, based on dial-up connections (remeber those?) and VGA monitors. What a long way we've come. One of these days I'll rebuild the old pages at high resolution, with added material that's only on gdlines.info.

In any case, now you can use the "down arrow" to download (or view in your browser and save, depending on your settings) to get the full-size image.

Cheers, Jeff

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Jeffrey L Witt
 

I updated the site last night, you should be able to save the full-size images now; but clicking on a slide in the slide view window now doesn't take you to the next slide, you have to use the arrows at the top of the page. It takes you to a new window with the full size image with scroll bars - awkward.

This is an unfortunate limitation of the program, which veterans of gdlines.org are already used to - it's been that way since Peter first built the web site in 2006! But in those days, he limited the image sizes, too, based on dial-up connections (remeber those?) and VGA monitors. What a long way we've come. One of these days I'll rebuild the old pages at high resolution, with added material that's only on gdlines.info.

In any case, now you can use the "down arrow" to download (or view in your browser and save, depending on your settings) to get the full-size image.

Cheers, Jeff


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Bob Friddle
 



Thanks, Jeff, guess I never took it in til now. What a fun project that would make if I Only had the skill! A guy can dream, right?


Bob Friddle,


On May 18, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io <jlwitt@...> wrote:

 It's the C.D. Grandt, here's a photo/description of it.

http://gdlines.org/GDLines/GD_Galleries/Magazines/HO_Monthly/slides/HOM-19500100-011-300_70.html 

And another...
http://gdlines.org/GDLines/GD_Galleries/Magazines/RMC/slides/RMC-19480800-001-300_70.html 

And another...
http://gdlines.info/HOM-19481000-001-300_20.jpg 

With a more detailed description - it's actually G&D Loco #2:
http://gdlines.info/HOM-19481000-002-600_20.jpg 

Jeff

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Re: The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Keith Trinity pointed out an issue with the gallery...

The original TIFF were ~20M, I tweaked and saved as JPEG with minimum compression to ~9M. But when he used the download arrow, and saved it, it was < 1M!!!!

Apparently I accidentally used a setting in the jAlbum web builder program (a newer version of the one the late Peter Prunka used to build the original gdlines.com site in 2006) that apparently only lets you download the "web" version of the image. I will fix that and upload a revised gallery...DOH!!!!

Everyone should have full access to Bob's photos in all their glory, and I will remedy the situation...

Jeff


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Jeffrey L Witt
 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Randy Lee Decker
 

The little engine on the short track is custom built by John.  Jeff has some nice early construction photo's of it and I think it was an article from John very early.  late 40's...?   Part of the old engines the G&D kept for movie work.
    Being good friends with Glenn Beier since the early days of college, this theme most likely came directly from the many trips Glenn took to photograph so many of the narrow gauge and short lines still in operation out west in the 1950's.  His Steam Echoes Book highlights many of the actors and movies that used steam engines back in the day as well.  

Randy   


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Bob Friddle
 

Yes, that’s the one. Appears to be pulling a four wheeled flat car full of milk cartons. 

Thanks,


Bob Friddle, Minneapolis


On May 18, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Rick Jones via groups.io <r.t.jones@...> wrote:

On 5/18/2020 10:49 AM, Bob Friddle wrote:
OK I am just stunned! My daughter forbids me to say it, but these are just so AWESOME! The lighting and clarity and detail, and new vantage points and oh my...what is that contraption right in the center of slide 4? I don't have the memory that some of you have but I don't remember seeing it ever before?!?!

  Are you talking about the 4-2-0 on one of the stub tracks off of the
turntable? Looks like one of the early steam engines brought to the US
from England? I think I've seen it in a couple of photos before, but it
hasn't been photographed as much as John's other engines. I think it's
just another of his tongue-in-cheek whimsy models.

--

                 Rick Jones

If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?



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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Rick Jones
 

On 5/18/2020 10:49 AM, Bob Friddle wrote:
OK I am just stunned! My daughter forbids me to say it, but these are just so AWESOME! The lighting and clarity and detail, and new vantage points and oh my...what is that contraption right in the center of slide 4? I don't have the memory that some of you have but I don't remember seeing it ever before?!?!
Are you talking about the 4-2-0 on one of the stub tracks off of the turntable? Looks like one of the early steam engines brought to the US from England? I think I've seen it in a couple of photos before, but it hasn't been photographed as much as John's other engines. I think it's just another of his tongue-in-cheek whimsy models.

--

Rick Jones

If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Bob Friddle
 

OK I am just stunned! My daughter forbids me to say it, but these are just so AWESOME! The lighting and clarity and detail, and new vantage points and oh my...what is that contraption right in the center of slide 4? I don't have the memory that some of you have but I don't remember seeing it ever before?!?!
What a great gift from the past!!! Who woulda thunkit??? Thanks so much to all responsible for finding, preserving and sharing these!
Bob Friddle
Gabrielle Lines - Route of the Angels
Minneapolis

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From: GandD@groups.io <GandD@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Jones via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:29 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

On 5/17/2020 4:45 PM, Russell Courtenay via groups.io wrote:
Correct link:
https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgdlines.org%2FBob_Hogan_Photos%2FBob_Hogan_Photos%2Falbum%2Findex.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cbob.friddle%40minneapolismn.gov%7C96f73f051ecf407b84b208d7fab1be30%7C0bfb3f5ae8ea4d54b0212b2f910c715f%7C0%7C0%7C637253513622685938&amp;sdata=mk2oeXC%2Bd%2BMNbd3yeUlafaK%2FBMbloHAydW3Dy3HMOsY%3D&amp;reserved=0
Thanks.

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Rick Jones

If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the terminal?



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Re: The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Ken Plumbly
 

On Sun, 2020-05-17 at 18:54 -0400, Michael Kennedy wrote:
These photos are magnificent!  Thank you for sharing!

Mike Kennedy
The D & B Lumber Co.
"The Best Wood You Ever Saw!"

Indeed! I concur! Thank you very much! :)

Ken


Re: The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Two seconds after I posted I realized, deleted the post, and made a new one. Sorry for the confusion.


Re: The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Michael Kennedy
 

These photos are magnificent!  Thank you for sharing!

Mike Kennedy
The D & B Lumber Co.
"The Best Wood You Ever Saw!"

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 15:49, Jeffrey L Witt via groups.io <jlwitt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here is a direct link:
file:///C:/export/gdlines_dot_com/Bob_Hogan_Photos/Bob_Hogan_Photos/album/index.html 

Also included is a pdf of his 2013 RMC article.

I also freshened-up the gdlines.org home page.

Please let me know if there are any issues with an email to info at gdlines dot org.

Enjoy!


Re: The Bob Hogan 1964 Photo Galley is now on gdlines.org

Rick Jones
 

On 5/17/2020 4:45 PM, Russell Courtenay via groups.io wrote:
Correct link:
http://gdlines.org/Bob_Hogan_Photos/Bob_Hogan_Photos/album/index.html
Thanks.

--

Rick Jones

If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the terminal?