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Re: G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

That PMR ore car sure looks like a Gould/Tichy Train Group car.

--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GandD] G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Bob Friddle
 

Trafofuchs has Some Mexican figures in N SCALE and Z SCALE on their website, not this one but they would probably make it for you if you’re not working HO.

Thanks,


Bob Friddle


On Dec 15, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Jeffrey L Witt via Groups.Io <jlwitt@...> wrote:



Absolutely the Roundhouse offering, one of first release of G&D commemoratives in September 1981: this boxcar, the black ore car, and the green Overton combine, kit #s 1000, 1001, and 1002.

The figure is a Campbell/Weston figure, available on their website:

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Re: G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Absolutely the Roundhouse offering, one of first release of G&D commemoratives in September 1981: this boxcar, the black ore car, and the green Overton combine, kit #s 1000, 1001, and 1002.

The figure is a Campbell/Weston figure, available on their website:


Christmas Card

Tom Milam
 

hi
recently my wife purchased a album full of old Christmas cards from an antique store in the Bay Area. One she plans to have copied ( from the 1940’s or 50’s) is from Clifford Grandt and his wife, of course a train with a switch stand cartoonishly printed. I would post a photo but at the printers to copy. Maybe one of John Allen might be in the mix, I will look and let you know
Tom Milam


Re: G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Russell Courtenay
 

Going through boxes of track given to me I found another box of cars with yet more treasures. These appear to be the MDC Roundhouse offerings. Not too sure about the very detailed VMR woodside hopper.

I want to build a small display that will sit on top of the piano with a bit of scenery but it looks like the display will be getting a bit bigger as I put away my temp On30 setup. Now to find an ex Sierra Ry 2-6-6-2 to go with them...

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity.

On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:56 PM, Russell Courtenay via Groups.Io <walruswebtech=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A good friend gave me some cars, included among them was this G&D boxcar missing a door but including a Latino Bandito.

Though I don’t do HO, this will be going in a display!

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity.



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Re: G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Charles Kinzer
 

It is likely painted in some standard boxcar red color they used for others.  Perhaps buy some other one to get a replacement door?

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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From: Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 9:49 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GandD] G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

 

I have that same boxcar. It's a Roundhouse …and one of their many G&D series. The "box" easily lifts off the frame. The number 5600 and the steps are a big clue.The "box" lifts off the frame.

Also, it may be the first commercial GD car ever offered. At least it was the first I ever saw … and purchased.
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Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR

 


Re: G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

I have that same boxcar. It's a Roundhouse …and one of their many G&D series. The "box" easily lifts off the frame. The number 5600 and the steps are a big clue.The "box" lifts off the frame.

Also, it may be the first commercial GD car ever offered. At least it was the first I ever saw … and purchased.
--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Re: G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Bruce Wilson
 

That is the Athearn car the NMRA did for their Heritage series a number of years ago.  Standard Athearn blue box door if you want to try and find one.

Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member NMRA
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On 12/8/2019 23:56, Russell Courtenay via Groups.Io wrote:
A good friend gave me some cars, included among them was this G&D boxcar missing a door but including a Latino Bandito.

Though I don’t do HO, this will be going in a display!

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity.


G&D boxcar with Latino Bandito

Russell Courtenay
 

A good friend gave me some cars, included among them was this G&D boxcar missing a door but including a Latino Bandito.

Though I don’t do HO, this will be going in a display!

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity.


Re: O Gauge version of original G&D

Russell Courtenay
 

I am thinking of trying AnyRail under Wine on my Mac when I get a chance, I just don’t do windows anymore...
Wine= Wine Is Not an Emulator 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. 


On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:54 PM, David Thomas via Groups.Io <david.thomas967@...> wrote:

Hi Charles
It's interesitng but  It occurs to me that rather than a ginormous table layout it could be built as a shelf layout for a medium sized room with Taylor lake replaced by the operating/viewing position. I agree that by cramming in more trackwork the magazine layout has lost a lot of the bucolic charm of the original.and I prefer your simplified version.
It also occurs to me that it's developed from John Allen's original plan for the first G&D, not the layout he actually built with industry rather than the loco depot within the loop.Because Gorre is a through station you probably don't actually need the turntable and, if it is included it should surely be for a smaller loco like old no 8. At the large size it rather dominates the layout as a full size turntable always will on a small layout.  
Going from a table to a shelf layout would change a lot of the familiar viewing angles so it mighr need some thought to modify the plan accordingly while keeping the essential  look and feel of the first G&D.
Anyrail can be found at www.anyrail.com  and can be downloaded and used for free with up to 50 elements. If you need more it's about $60 to buy when it's unlimited but the free version does encourage simplicity. I use it a lot for playing around wth layout ideas. 


Re: O Gauge version of original G&D

David Thomas
 

Hi Charles
It's interesitng but  It occurs to me that rather than a ginormous table layout it could be built as a shelf layout for a medium sized room with Taylor lake replaced by the operating/viewing position. I agree that by cramming in more trackwork the magazine layout has lost a lot of the bucolic charm of the original.and I prefer your simplified version.
It also occurs to me that it's developed from John Allen's original plan for the first G&D, not the layout he actually built with industry rather than the loco depot within the loop.Because Gorre is a through station you probably don't actually need the turntable and, if it is included it should surely be for a smaller loco like old no 8. At the large size it rather dominates the layout as a full size turntable always will on a small layout.  
Going from a table to a shelf layout would change a lot of the familiar viewing angles so it mighr need some thought to modify the plan accordingly while keeping the essential  look and feel of the first G&D.
Anyrail can be found at www.anyrail.com  and can be downloaded and used for free with up to 50 elements. If you need more it's about $60 to buy when it's unlimited but the free version does encourage simplicity. I use it a lot for playing around wth layout ideas. 


Re: Model Railroading w/ JA, Benchmark Errata Sheet

Charles Kinzer
 

I can provide it (attached).

 

I have provided it to folks in the past.  Before I did, I got permission from the publisher, and the attached PDF is one provided directly to me by Bob Hayden.

 

There error is that the text on the bottom of page 147 is duplicated from another page and is not the correct text.  The errata sheet has the correct test.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

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From: Tom Milam via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 8:03 AM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GandD] Model Railroading w/ JA, Benchmark Errata Sheet

 

Did not know they printed one, what’s on it that is updated. Purchased a book when first came out years ago. I would be interested in content . But with the amount of information on our group maybe already know 


On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Loren Martell <saltnpepper69@...> wrote:

If it’s not breaking the law, does anyone have a copy of the “ Errata ( Addendum ) “ sheet from the 2012 Printing of:
Model Railroading with John Allen, Benchmark Publishing
that they would scan & email my way?
Alternatively, I would purchase a n original if ForSale.
Thank you.

loren martell
Aloha, OR 97007

 


Re: Model Railroading w/ JA, Benchmark Errata Sheet

Tom Milam
 

Did not know they printed one, what’s on it that is updated. Purchased a book when first came out years ago. I would be interested in content . But with the amount of information on our group maybe already know 


On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Loren Martell <saltnpepper69@...> wrote:

If it’s not breaking the law, does anyone have a copy of the “ Errata ( Addendum ) “ sheet from the 2012 Printing of:
Model Railroading with John Allen, Benchmark Publishing
that they would scan & email my way?
Alternatively, I would purchase a n original if ForSale.
Thank you.

loren martell
Aloha, OR 97007


Model Railroading w/ JA, Benchmark Errata Sheet

Loren Martell
 

If it’s not breaking the law, does anyone have a copy of the “ Errata ( Addendum ) “ sheet from the 2012 Printing of:
Model Railroading with John Allen, Benchmark Publishing
that they would scan & email my way?
Alternatively, I would purchase a n original if ForSale.
Thank you.

loren martell
Aloha, OR 97007


Re: from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

David Thomas
 

Hi Keith
That's interesting. Do you have any idea whether this was drawn before John built the very first G&D or whether it was an early plan for its extension. I had an idea that his new interest in 3ft gauge railways had an effect on his planning from the first front locomotive depot extension of the original layout, so  I wonder whether this was an early idea for extending it before that interest developed. .

In his article in the March 1948 Model Railway News John does say that "The GD line is far from complete, as over a third of the area is not yet landscaped. Later this area will contain a turntable, engine house and facilities for servicing locomotives"  so he was clearly stlll working to his original plan. After listing the rolling stock and giving some technical information about electrics (standard N.M.R.A. 12V D.C.) track etc.and that the layout is portable he goes on to say "I am fortunate in now having a great deal more space available than when I planned and started this road, so a larger, more modern railroad is being planned which this one will connect on to, making this a true "branch line".

What we don't know is when he actually wrote the notes accompanying his photos but the editorial for that edition does say "In this issue will be found some very striking photographs recently sent us by Mr. John Allen, of Monterey, California, U.S.A" so I don't think the editor, John Maskelyne, sat on them for very long so we're probably looking at late 1947 or very early 1948. After complimenting John Allen's scenic effects "we very seldom see anything of this kind even attempted on English layouts" (though that was about to change largely following the work of John Ahern) he ends by adding that "his original photographic prints are of the brilliant, lustrous quality which is the anser to a block-makers prayer."


Re: from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

Keith Roger Beard Trinity
 

Has anyone looked at this track-plan closely?
I took it, zoomed in, and "skewed" it straight in the 2nd picture;
http://gdlines.org/GDLines/GD_Galleries/NEW_SCANS/additionalBW/slides/planhires.html
http://gdlines.org/GDLines/GD_Goodies/NEW_SCANS/additionalBW/planfromveryearly.jpg 
--
Keith Roger-Beard Trinity, owner,  9 Cielo Vista Terrace, Monterey


Re: from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

David Thomas
 

Hi Jeff
I only scanned the photos (and the front cover) but at a fairly hi res. then reduced it.
The track plan he supplied to Model Railway News (which they may have redrawn as a black on white line drawing for clarity) looks to have been slightly earlier than this better known version

It has one fewer spurs off the turntable and doesn't indicate a future extension from Daphetid though he does mention that in the text. This version is also more detailed so may have been redrawn when John Allen had already scenicced part of it.

The turntable, along with the engine house, was always on his first plan so I assume, and the book seems to confirrm this, that he didn't finally decide to make that area into an industrial zone instead until he'd drawn up the plan for the first extension with the shed and the first spur of the 3ft gauge D.G. & H  in front of the original baseboard. That's the version that appeared in Meandering About the GD Line in the Jan and Feb 1950 HO Monthly though some of the photos illustrating that article are of the layout before that extension. There was a later selection of photos, but no further article by John, in the September 1948 Model Railway News,  Old G&D Engine no 8 and Her Home that does seem to show the engine house on the front extension though with no sign of the turntable and with photos taken from both sides I suspect it was actually a staged diorama placed in front of the layout for one shot. It's also possible that these photos were sent with those used to illustrate John's March 1948 article and simply held over by MRN's editor. There is no article about the shed  

In his March 1948 MRN article John talks about the oriignal 3ft 7ins x 6ft 8ins  original layout as being portable. That would have been compromised by the addition of the extra section but he was already working on the room in order to incorporate it into a larger permanent layout. What isn't clear is whether he originally intended to make the original board removable as a portable stand-alone layout. It only had one connection to the engine shed board pus whatever connections there would have been at Daphetid so that would have been entirely feasible. However,  he also adopted the very sensible policy of ensuring that as he extended the layout he still always had a working railways to operate.

In any case, looking at the plan of the first large G&D and photos of it in the book that original layout seems to have thoroughly absorbed into the larger network fairly rapidly. though it's still very apparent as a piece in the final layout.


Re: from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Don't think so...you can check here for the full article:

http://gdlines.info/G&D_links.htm#RM_1968_Sep

BTW, there's LOTS of "new" pictures to be had from that video...it's on the list...Klambake is holding out.


Re: from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Dave, I do have that too; your scans look better than mine!

http://gdlines.info/G&D_links.htm#MRN_1948_Mar

And most of these are published in MR and MR Handbook...but the track plan is different. Why does the turntable always show up?

Cheers,

Jeff


Re: from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

David Thomas
 

I realise that the last sentence in my first paragraph was ambiguous. The photos in the 1968 Railway Modeller article were of course suppled by John Allen.

Looking more closely at the night time shot in John Allen's own March 1948 Model Railway News article, I realise that it was a set up. At that time John had only built three "old-time 54ft open end passenger cars" so they were clearly spaced out to imply a longer train. The rest of the stock he had at that time were a 4-4-0 "old time" passenger loco built with Mantua parts (the loco seen at the head of the train) an 0-4-0 Varney switcher "which doubles for a freight engine",  18 assorted freight cars, about half home (i.e. scratch) built and half kit built.and he was in the course of scratch building a 2-8-0 "old time" freight engine, four more freight cars  and a rotary snow plough "which actually is a track cleaner"  Of the six switches, five were no. 4 and one was a no. 6