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Re: from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

Jeffrey L Witt
 


from September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Happy Day-after Thanksgiving. Here's two from the September 1968 British magazine Railway Modeller. I picked these two because I'm don't recall seeing either of these exact shots before. Correct me if I'm wrong. http://witt-family.com/gorre-and-daphetid/RM-19680900-258_2-300_0.jpg
http://witt-family.com/gorre-and-daphetid/RM-19680900-001_1-600_0.jpg

Jeff


HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL MY FELLOW JOHN ALLEN FANS

Matt Hosford
 
Edited

To everyone have a Safe and Happy Holiday weekend.

May all the feathers be plucked well on your bird and skip the couch and play trains!

In the spirit of giving and sharing......

Cyber sale Scale Structures LTD 25% off until Dec 8th.....for all the miniature holiday trimmings....

SS LTD 25 % off 

Matt Hosford
Wurn & Whythyrd Lines


Re: O Gauge version of original G&D

Russell Courtenay
 

Great work Charles! I’ll have to find that software. 

I really love the original G&D and feel the ‘Twice Around with Branch’ is the best small track plan out there for the amount of railroading you can get in a small space. 

I also love O scale and 2-rail. Unfortunately, O scale makes for some BIG roundy-round layouts, it just doesn’t fit on a 4x8. But this is a nice adaptation, I’ll have to pick up the magazine. 

My design of the original G&D is a bit smaller as it is designed as mainly an individual electric line with 24” radius (96 feet in O scale!) Complete it will be 6’8”x 8’8” but in the layout it will only be the front half and 3’4” deep- no complete loops, still working on a drawing. 

Most 2-rail O scale trains though will operate on 3-rail curves, here is an old video of my son (now a cranky 14 year old!) operating on my old Atlas 24” radius snap track 4x10 foot oval. 
https://youtu.be/naM2iU-hqLo

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. 


On Nov 25, 2019, at 2:11 AM, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

The December 2019/January 2020 issue (Run 309) of “O Gauge Railroading” magazine has an article “O Gauge Version of John Allen’s Iconic G&D” by Ken Hoganson.

 

I thought a little info about this might be interesting.  It is nice to see the G&D appear again.

 

I didn’t think it would appropriate to copy the plans from the magazine (especially one still on sale), so I redrew them.  If you do get the magazine, you will find there are at least several errors with the particular track pieces called out.  But it’s not hard to figure out what is correct (especially things like a left hand switch being noted as right hand).  He also mixes both Lionel Fastrack (plastic roadbed) and Atlas track (no roadbed) pointing out that the Atlas is good for bridges and such.

 

First, here is the original for reference:

 

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Here is my redrawing of the magazine track plan.  I used the program AnyRail and I think I got it pretty close.  The author points out, “As an O gauge plan, a number of features been added or revised form the original HO plan to meet O gauge enthusiast expectations.  Three new spurs have been added, along with an interchange track to a connecting railroad, hidden staging tracks, more structures, and some operating accessories.”

 

The turntable is an Atlas 24 incher and substantially larger, proportionally, than what John used.  The author acknowledges that it eats up a lot of space on the right wide of the layout.

 

There is a drawing in the magazine with suggested building locations and the result is MUCH more crowded than the original.  It is much closer to the spaghetti bowl trackage we so often see, especially in O gauge.  The bucolic nature seems completely lost.  But there is more railroading possible.  John had maybe six structures including water tanks, and they were small.  This O gauge plan has about 15 structures and quite a few are fairly large.

 

The radius isn’t as tight as John’s and the minimum is “O-60” which is 60” diameter or 30” radius.  (The original Lionel curves we had in our childhood were O-27 or O-31 for 27 and 31 inch diameters – really sharp curves – O-36 is what comes in most train sets now).

 

I think the O Gauge plan manages to lose original’s character, but the changes seem to have been carefully considered with reasons.

 

The layout size is 7”6” x 12’.  12” grid lines in my drawings.

 

The plan in the magazine has a bite taken out of the top right corner called “open access and viewing”.  Not sure it is needed depending on what sides of the layout are accessible.  Also, the lake (he calls it a pond) is designed to be removable for access.   Also,  unlike the original plan the lower level tracks to are not hidden at the upper right and the trestle carries the branch line over the now visible trackage.

 

The original plan has 6 switches, this plan increases that to 13.

 

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Here it is after undoing all of those changes but still using the same pieces for most of the basic design that the author used.  I put a switch in about the right place for the spur along the front edge at Gorre.  I also tried to set up the turn table tracks closer to what the original was.  Due to how the space is, it might be better to deviate from the original design and perhaps put the engine house where you can have the longest tracks.  Finally, I made the tracks at the upper right of the plan hidden like the original.

 

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Note that in this sort of track layout program it attempts to “lock” the pieces together and that is indicated by the little white circles.  Often, you can’t get things quite perfect and there may be a very small gap or misalignment on the CAD plan.  But if such errors are small, everything will connect fine in real life.  Track ha a little give and take.  This has two such minor issues:  The end of the track for what is the long straight bridge near Gorre doesn’t quite align with the switch to the branch line.  Also, the siding at the front edge as draw has all the track “locked” nicely, but it is at a slight angle and I meant it to be parallel.  But looking at the plan, perhaps I could just rotate the whole shebang a little to correct that.  Again, the track will easily give enough to allow a little realignment in real life.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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Re: RMC PDFs uploaded

Bob Friddle
 

somehow I never saw this, so thanks so much for sharing!


Re: smoke stack screens

Charles Kinzer
 

I don’t know what John Allen used.  But WAY back when I got some beryllium copper wire mesh.  (Small sizes tend to be called “mesh” and not “screen”.)

 

I went to some company in Chicago that made it when I was about 16 years old.  Of course, they sold it industrially, but took pity on me and gave me a little sample.  Voila.

 

It’s probably easier to find just plain copper mesh.  I found this company, as an example (and I’m sure there are others), and they have mesh counts of 1 to 2300.  They don’t give a unit of measurement, though.  Perhaps that is per centimeter.  For the finest mesh, the wire diameter is 0.0008” or 0.0203mm.  And 635x635 mesh count (again, don’t know if that is per centimeter or per inch).  That’s probably too fine, so you probably would want something large enough you can at least see the mesh, and perhaps even paint it although chemical blackening may be better.

 

They have a note “Free sample 20*20 cm (if available)”.  Probably a lifetime supply for somebody adding spark arresters to their HO engines.

 

https://www.zgwiremesh.com/product/copper-wire-mesh/

 

It seems they also have brass in these sizes and also offer other metals but not go to as fine a mesh size as copper.

 

How to make them?  I think you just cut with scissors and form them and/or stretch them as needed.  You have to be extremely careful if doing any soldering so that you don’t let solder wick into the screen and plug it up.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Russ Desmond via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 2:39 PM
To: GandD@groups.io
Subject: [GandD] smoke stack screens

 

I am wondering if anyone can give me any info on the smokestack fire screens john used of some of his locos. How did he make them..... where did he buy them etc. This is a detail part I very much want to add to my locos.
--
Russell Desmond

 


smoke stack screens

 

I am wondering if anyone can give me any info on the smokestack fire screens john used of some of his locos. How did he make them..... where did he buy them etc. This is a detail part I very much want to add to my locos.
--
Russell Desmond


O Gauge version of original G&D

Charles Kinzer
 

The December 2019/January 2020 issue (Run 309) of “O Gauge Railroading” magazine has an article “O Gauge Version of John Allen’s Iconic G&D” by Ken Hoganson.

 

I thought a little info about this might be interesting.  It is nice to see the G&D appear again.

 

I didn’t think it would appropriate to copy the plans from the magazine (especially one still on sale), so I redrew them.  If you do get the magazine, you will find there are at least several errors with the particular track pieces called out.  But it’s not hard to figure out what is correct (especially things like a left hand switch being noted as right hand).  He also mixes both Lionel Fastrack (plastic roadbed) and Atlas track (no roadbed) pointing out that the Atlas is good for bridges and such.

 

First, here is the original for reference:

 

 

Here is my redrawing of the magazine track plan.  I used the program AnyRail and I think I got it pretty close.  The author points out, “As an O gauge plan, a number of features been added or revised form the original HO plan to meet O gauge enthusiast expectations.  Three new spurs have been added, along with an interchange track to a connecting railroad, hidden staging tracks, more structures, and some operating accessories.”

 

The turntable is an Atlas 24 incher and substantially larger, proportionally, than what John used.  The author acknowledges that it eats up a lot of space on the right wide of the layout.

 

There is a drawing in the magazine with suggested building locations and the result is MUCH more crowded than the original.  It is much closer to the spaghetti bowl trackage we so often see, especially in O gauge.  The bucolic nature seems completely lost.  But there is more railroading possible.  John had maybe six structures including water tanks, and they were small.  This O gauge plan has about 15 structures and quite a few are fairly large.

 

The radius isn’t as tight as John’s and the minimum is “O-60” which is 60” diameter or 30” radius.  (The original Lionel curves we had in our childhood were O-27 or O-31 for 27 and 31 inch diameters – really sharp curves – O-36 is what comes in most train sets now).

 

I think the O Gauge plan manages to lose original’s character, but the changes seem to have been carefully considered with reasons.

 

The layout size is 7”6” x 12’.  12” grid lines in my drawings.

 

The plan in the magazine has a bite taken out of the top right corner called “open access and viewing”.  Not sure it is needed depending on what sides of the layout are accessible.  Also, the lake (he calls it a pond) is designed to be removable for access.   Also,  unlike the original plan the lower level tracks to are not hidden at the upper right and the trestle carries the branch line over the now visible trackage.

 

The original plan has 6 switches, this plan increases that to 13.

 

 

Here it is after undoing all of those changes but still using the same pieces for most of the basic design that the author used.  I put a switch in about the right place for the spur along the front edge at Gorre.  I also tried to set up the turn table tracks closer to what the original was.  Due to how the space is, it might be better to deviate from the original design and perhaps put the engine house where you can have the longest tracks.  Finally, I made the tracks at the upper right of the plan hidden like the original.

 

 

Note that in this sort of track layout program it attempts to “lock” the pieces together and that is indicated by the little white circles.  Often, you can’t get things quite perfect and there may be a very small gap or misalignment on the CAD plan.  But if such errors are small, everything will connect fine in real life.  Track ha a little give and take.  This has two such minor issues:  The end of the track for what is the long straight bridge near Gorre doesn’t quite align with the switch to the branch line.  Also, the siding at the front edge as draw has all the track “locked” nicely, but it is at a slight angle and I meant it to be parallel.  But looking at the plan, perhaps I could just rotate the whole shebang a little to correct that.  Again, the track will easily give enough to allow a little realignment in real life.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: RMC PDFs uploaded

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Thanks, Jeff.

I didn't weather the tribute cars, but replaced any of the plastic deep-flanged wheel sets with metal low-profile ones. Would have loved to have that new BLI USRA Mike with sound, but I just couldn't justify the cost when all I could do was run it back and forth.

I have that Delta Lines boxcar in HO scale and a few others. One of my rarest is Wescott's Sunset Railway & Navigation Co made by C&BT Shops. Not many photos of Linn's layout exist. Still in their boxes, but I'll get them out one of these days. To weather or not to weather … that is question.

--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Re: RMC PDFs uploaded

Neil Erickson
 

Jeff: 

I have a few as well if you want them. Pm. 



Neil

On Nov 14, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Jeffrey L Witt via Groups.Io <jlwitt@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reminder, Tom...I hadn't read the issue yet.

Nice article! A great improvement to that area. You have quite a collection of the Micro-trains tribute cars...I just lost out on a Delta Lines boxcar...but of course I have the G&D car, both N and Z scale! Missing S, O, and G.

Too bad the NMRA doesn't still run the "Heritage" and "Living Legends" series cars.

Jeff


Re: NMRA Special cars

Russell Courtenay
 

Those special NMRA runs were really cool, they come up from time to time online but very little in O scale.

 A full original Delta Lines passenger set was for sale on eBay a while ago, a bit out of my budget, but some original O scale stuff still appears at local shows at good prices I’ve heard, I assume because O scale isn’t nearly as popular as HO. 

Unfortunately, I am 2000 miles away from much of the model railroad activity that took place 70-80 years ago and nearly 1000 miles from Monterey, but Idaho is a beautiful place so....

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. 


On Nov 14, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey L Witt via Groups.Io <jlwitt@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reminder, Tom...I hadn't read the issue yet.

Nice article! A great improvement to that area. You have quite a collection of the Micro-trains tribute cars...I just lost out on a Delta Lines boxcar...but of course I have the G&D car, both N and Z scale! Missing S, O, and G.

Too bad the NMRA doesn't still run the "Heritage" and "Living Legends" series cars.

Jeff


Re: RMC PDFs uploaded

Jeffrey L Witt
 

Thanks for the reminder, Tom...I hadn't read the issue yet.

Nice article! A great improvement to that area. You have quite a collection of the Micro-trains tribute cars...I just lost out on a Delta Lines boxcar...but of course I have the G&D car, both N and Z scale! Missing S, O, and G.

Too bad the NMRA doesn't still run the "Heritage" and "Living Legends" series cars.

Jeff


Re: RMC PDFs uploaded

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Make that MRH.
--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Re: RMC PDFs uploaded

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Thanks for posting, Jeff. The quality of your scans are great!

That's one of my favorite series … I re-read it every now and then. Findley is so entertaining, too. Right now, I've rounded the corner on building Hokel Compressed Gas from one of his articles.

BTW, MHR ran my article on Angels Camp in their Nov 2019 issue.

--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR


Re: RMC PDFs uploaded

Bill P
 

Thanks - this is awesome - thanks again.
All for now. 
bcd9 
∑:=)


RMC PDFs uploaded

Jeffrey L Witt
 

In the "files" section:

https://groups.io/g/GandD/files/RMC%20G&D%20Articles%201980-1981%20PDFs 

This is the 1980/1981 RMC Series. Jim Findley's musings are priceless. Although these are available on gdlines.info, I added them here for your convenience.

Most of the photos are from the Slides/photos that can be seen on gdlines.org, and can be studied in detail there.

Jeff


Re: Yahoo info about Yahoo groups

Matt Hosford
 

Just following up on this topic....

Darryl posted this in the Hon3 narrow gauge forum.  

yahoo download content how to info

Sorry, to have thrown this up there and not replied.....I have been away in Georgia at my daughters wedding.......It was wonderful but glad to be home......
--
Matt Hosford
Wurn & Whythyrd Lines


Darryl Huffman comment on MRH

Jeffrey L Witt
 


From our former moderator, on a discussion of backdrops and fascia. I have to agree, IMO JA went WAY overboard with the clouds and smoke at the end...but I forgive him!


Re: Yahoo info about Yahoo groups

John Hagen
 

I totally agree Yahoo is basically crapplng on all its users. But then, as mentioned, so is everyone else. I have absolutely no love for Yahoo but I also use Yahoo for email and have done so since the middle 90's. And, really, for many years Yahoo gave us an absolutely great platform for our groups. But that was then and this is now. Nowadays, giving a service or product away for free and expecting to make money on your customers using your for profit product's is past. If a provider can make any profit, it is not sufficient to make Stockholders happy. Plus, truth be told, the majority of the general public does have any real product loyalty. They will always seek the cheapest product and go there. This is the world we live in, like it or not. I have so far been able to stay with Yahoo's free email but it that becomes impossible I will use their "plus" service rather than having to have a new email after 24 years. My brother still uses his original AOL email.


--
John Hagen


Re: Yahoo info about Yahoo groups

Russell Courtenay
 

I don’t understand how Yahoo thinks they can cut and change services, delete content and make all email groups private and still think people will use their services. 


I’ve had my same Yahoo email address since 1997 or so, I’ve always been willing to pay a reasonable amount for a good email service but could never understand how Yahoo could expect anyone to pay for the Yahoo Plus email when they have treated their free customers so badly. 

They have been around a long time, most other free email providers are gone, but if they just treated their users better they could have turned many more into customers!

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. 


On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR) <PR-Line@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,

Yes, I received that email, too, and was going to mention it. Glad we made the move to IO Groups!

I'm going to delete my Yahoo account. I definitely prefer my own ISP (vs. free gmail, msn or AOL) for processing and pushing my email. I also like having aliases so that, if my email address is misused for spam, etc., I have some idea of where they got. I can then change the alias and not have to update (or delete) every vendor, etc. I deal with.

--
Tom
<PR> PINE RIDGE RR