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Re: Yahoo Closing Groups

Randy Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

Can anyone contact PAT...  there is a few google search info things now about Yahoo ending support and if that happens I'd hate to lose the photos and files sections etc.  We can always find place to chat again.....   

Randy   

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:13 PM Russell Courtenay walruswebtech@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

I haven't heard anything but have been moving my groups over to groups.io without any problems. Yahoo had a hiccup in their login for a bit and I couldn't move my bigger groups over then there were many problems (again) at Yahoo with accessing and posting to groups. 

Groups.io finally got through Yahoo!'S mess and I am transferring the last of my groups over, good riddance to Yahoo! It will take a couple weeks to get everything transferred over. 

I personally don't like the way Googlegroups are setup (for one thing, you do not receive your own emails back if you send a message to the group and there is no way to change that). 

I'd say; if you are thinking of moving- go for it while you can!

Russell Courtenay


On Jan 21, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

Ohh crap....   PAT....  ?    

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:01 PM 'W.R.Dixon' WRDixon@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Seems to be a comment going around on other groups that Yahoo is closing
groups in a few days (24th).

Anybody working on the move to Goggle yet?

Bill Dixon


Re: Yahoo Closing Groups

Russell Courtenay
 

I haven't heard anything but have been moving my groups over to groups.io without any problems. Yahoo had a hiccup in their login for a bit and I couldn't move my bigger groups over then there were many problems (again) at Yahoo with accessing and posting to groups. 

Groups.io finally got through Yahoo!'S mess and I am transferring the last of my groups over, good riddance to Yahoo! It will take a couple weeks to get everything transferred over. 

I personally don't like the way Googlegroups are setup (for one thing, you do not receive your own emails back if you send a message to the group and there is no way to change that). 

I'd say; if you are thinking of moving- go for it while you can!

Russell Courtenay


On Jan 21, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

Ohh crap....   PAT....  ?    

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:01 PM 'W.R.Dixon' WRDixon@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Seems to be a comment going around on other groups that Yahoo is closing
groups in a few days (24th).

Anybody working on the move to Goggle yet?

Bill Dixon


Re: Yahoo Closing Groups

Randy Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

Ohh crap....   PAT....  ?    


On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:01 PM 'W.R.Dixon' WRDixon@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Seems to be a comment going around on other groups that Yahoo is closing
groups in a few days (24th).

Anybody working on the move to Goggle yet?

Bill Dixon


Re: Yahoo Closing Groups

Charles Kinzer
 

That might just be a rumor.  Who knows.  But it would still be a good idea to leave Yahoo.

 

I’m on a number of groups that moved to groups.io.  I think that’s the place to go.  The sooner the better.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: 'W.R.Dixon' WRDixon@... [GandD]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 6:01 PM
To: Russell Courtenay walruswebtech@... [GandD]
Subject: [GandD] Yahoo Closing Groups

 

 

Seems to be a comment going around on other groups that Yahoo is closing
groups in a few days (24th).

Anybody working on the move to Goggle yet?

Bill Dixon

 


Yahoo Closing Groups

W.R.Dixon
 

Seems to be a comment going around on other groups that Yahoo is closing groups in a few days (24th).

Anybody working on the move to Goggle yet?


Bill Dixon


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Russell Courtenay
 

I wish we had the funds that model railroader Rod Stewart has: he mainly likes building buildings so he designed his layout and hired people to do the things he didn't like. 

He recently 'finished' his layout and said 'I ran out of things to do so I wrote a new album'!

I love doing all parts of a model railroad but some are a bit more laborious, shall we say, and sometimes I get to a point that I just don't know how to proceed in the time and budget I have, so I stop and go on to something else. Unfortunately, I have only 'finished' one layout, a 18x22" HOn30 layout. I sold it and it payed for part of the move to Idaho!

With help on the parts that take a lot of time and hands, maybe more layouts would be completed within the originators lifetime...

On Jan 21, 2019, at 9:42 AM, 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

Oh Contraire, my friend, I was very amused and appreciative to discover that it was folded dogbone. I have the same respect for his plan as you do, the best ideas are simple, and this one is simply marvelous. I really appreciate all of your writing, as I’m sure we all do, it’s great to follow your steps and I look forward to seeing your updated plans. I’m playing a much longer game, and have a lot more to learn to be in your league, but it is a great learning opportunity.

Thanks,


Bob Friddle


On Jan 21, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Yes Indeed Bob.   I am trying to figure out the nuts and bolts of this thing as we speak... No way I could finish the hiogh bridges over the yard area without at least ONE good 150' span Two worked better..  but now to see he had a LONG bridge fitted to a more normal span makes perfect sense.. and it looks great to..!   
 
    I have a complete " tight squeeze" right there in front of the cutoff switch and the small mountain and my feeder runs to the yard are going to be an interesting change but they do fit and they work better and seperate the yard even more....(no practicality in that but I like the look)  So I have crowded out some of John's used space there but added a bit more in length to the yard runs...and width on the back end..  I will also be connecting the main line to a track that runs independent of the yard and gives the whole operation another option for change of direction and delivery options. 

The plan drawing I made has morphed twice since I last drew it.   I really need to update it.   I am finding this project the most fun ever.  And John's design is a dogbone.     Is that not the best design ?  You sound as though it is a disappointment to discover this..  lol.    Not sure how you can get more out a run and use more of a room than this design..   But let's really be fair..... is three dog bone runs all set at different heights with lopes that are built right into the scenery.... and not hidden like a stacker add and subtract height. The design is brilliant and I can say that my attempts to build something better into my space was pretty courageously done.  I had two real nce ideas... but in the end my designs did not cover as much mainline in the same space.. and I had to use a stacker to achieve the differing heights just to make two full dog bone runs.

I really think John's design made the most use of the space he had than any design anyone could ever come up with..  and the overall result with some, full to floor scenery, was and still is unsurpassed.     

I just finished the cutoff line (under the yards) down to the X junction and am fitting in the plywood that form the platforms for the Hillside Station and the curves there... and the stone bridge back by the yards and the trestle and the portals and curves to establish this whole area....  WOW, there is a lot going on right there.....Lots of head scratching...this area also allows me some artistic licence to change the approach for the long bridge that will establish the backside of Gorre and doing everything to get every inch out of my space to make things as close as possible.  Right now it looks like my Gorre and Daphetid layout will be 70" by 35".  That is a bit smaller than John's original set up.  His was approx 80" by 43".  But it works... and all the other tracks fall into place this way and it leaves me a little more room in Goore to add a few things.   

Anyway it is a blast to be doing this and I respect John more and more for his modeling skill and design every day. I just try and I get it as accurate as I can and so far I am pleased with what this is looking like.    

"Miles to go before I sleep"  
  

Randy 



   

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:25 AM 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Yes, Randy, I do believe that I noticed the bridge supports back in the days when I was studying the book like acolyte, trying to figure out the complexity of this plan, which turned out to be a fairly simple folded dog bone after all! It’s completely understandable that he would hold this off till last, as it is almost entirely elevated. Good luck figuring out where those bridge supports go in plan, which does not show quite enough spacing for them.

I’m still trying to figure out a better lead track set up out of the yard, also it’s been close to 20 years since I started studying it closely. Kobiyashi Maru, you know. 

Best,

Bob Friddle

Gabrielle Lines

Minneapolis 


On Jan 19, 2019, at 1:09 PM, randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Bob the overhead bridge section that crosses Port and in front of Great Divide itself and then on across the yards all connected to the High bridge that was never competed.    John was working on these areas that were done but of these last few bridges during his very last days and he did not purposely leave them out so you could see the headquarters building.  It was just the natural progression of the final stages of a complete layout.  


 It is nothing short of a miracle that anyone was there with a camera and some skill and took photos.   But history has been kind to those of us who truly care, and some photos of that time do in fact exist.   
    
These bridges and that final high lope was the last of the official work that needed to be done and all the more part of the tragedy of this incredible masterpiece.   To know that John was so near to competition and had finished everything other than the long, high, steel bridge to scalp mountain and to have his comments that he was not sure if he'd make it are chilling to say the least.  To have come so close and to have had his death and then the fire all happen within such a short period of time seems surreal to me.    I can't even imagine how it affected the guys who knew John so well.  Guys who had become friends and ended up as operators on this incredible creation.  

Anyway it is good to still see the enthusiasm. it's been 46 years now.   Wow...  !    I can tell you as a new member of this site I have received all kinds of helpful info and people seem to go out of their way to point out things I somehow did not see.  I have a long way to go on my project... and without this site and the gdlines memorial pages...  wow, I could never do what I am doing using only the book.       

BTW....As for this new bridge photo !!!   and wow what a photo it is..!   The CLUES were right in front of our eyes for 40 years...!  Some of us may have caught it but I did not...   Pages 20,21,103,105 and I'll bet more photos than these, all show the tall, wide, steel support towers sitting and waiting over the Yards waiting for the bridges. They are far to wide and to tall for underslung girder sections.  Totally just sitting there shining in the lights while I looked right at them and flipped the page...!   

Randy

        


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Randy Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

 Well sir, thanks for that.  I hope John is chuckling somewhere watching us all talking about his work and life.  And I do hope we may find some other people who have photographs.  I'd bet there are hundreds of good shots from a few visitors, perhaps not as revealing as the ones Don has, but new and fun just that same.  I wish there was some way to find a connection to get to these families that are probably sitting on old negatives and are simply unaware of what they are, nor, really care as they have no interest in model railroading.  Because some of us, still very much, do care. NOW...

   Anyway, I am trying to push toward Scalp Mountain but will be busy for some time with gorre and only have minimum framing over in the alcove and devils gulch.  I will drop in a few more photos and get rid of some others again..  no hurry.. this will be a long, long process... right now I am so completely enamoured with that new photograph of Dons I do not wish to move it from the first position.    Just can't get over how important this record (that I now know exists) really is...!  What an incredible stroke of brillant luck for the historic record of the Gorre & Daphetid to have had a close friend of John's able to be there with a camera with so many factors at play that could have changed just this one man's ability to do so.  It seems John did not take photos himself or if he did they have been hidden for some reason.   With all the new construction and Johns own openly admitted doubts about his longevity...... it seems really odd he did not snap a few photographs of these very long awaited bridges and the competition of that last run.... himself.    I mean really?    He must have been proud and filled with joy to see that last of his masterpiece nearing the end..and he was more adept at using a camera and had far more time to do so, than anyone involved with him back in the day.  I really find that puzzling unless they were in the camera and it was one that burned..  I will assume someone would have checked that back then?  It does seem that If there were any shots like this, Linn Westcott would have had some access to them and would certainly have used one or two of them.   But just to know today 46 years later that Don did have the foresight to have taken some good pictures in that last week of John's life is still heartstopping for me to have learned recently. 

 Information like what this most recent shot has revealed is just jaw dropping to me.  !  I am holding my breath...    



  Randy         



       

   


On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 11:49 AM 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Oh Contraire, my friend, I was very amused and appreciative to discover that it was folded dogbone. I have the same respect for his plan as you do, the best ideas are simple, and this one is simply marvelous. I really appreciate all of your writing, as I’m sure we all do, it’s great to follow your steps and I look forward to seeing your updated plans. I’m playing a much longer game, and have a lot more to learn to be in your league, but it is a great learning opportunity.

Thanks,


Bob Friddle


On Jan 21, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Yes Indeed Bob.   I am trying to figure out the nuts and bolts of this thing as we speak... No way I could finish the hiogh bridges over the yard area without at least ONE good 150' span Two worked better..  but now to see he had a LONG bridge fitted to a more normal span makes perfect sense.. and it looks great to..!   
 
    I have a complete " tight squeeze" right there in front of the cutoff switch and the small mountain and my feeder runs to the yard are going to be an interesting change but they do fit and they work better and seperate the yard even more....(no practicality in that but I like the look)  So I have crowded out some of John's used space there but added a bit more in length to the yard runs...and width on the back end..  I will also be connecting the main line to a track that runs independent of the yard and gives the whole operation another option for change of direction and delivery options. 

The plan drawing I made has morphed twice since I last drew it.   I really need to update it.   I am finding this project the most fun ever.  And John's design is a dogbone.     Is that not the best design ?  You sound as though it is a disappointment to discover this..  lol.    Not sure how you can get more out a run and use more of a room than this design..   But let's really be fair..... is three dog bone runs all set at different heights with lopes that are built right into the scenery.... and not hidden like a stacker add and subtract height. The design is brilliant and I can say that my attempts to build something better into my space was pretty courageously done.  I had two real nce ideas... but in the end my designs did not cover as much mainline in the same space.. and I had to use a stacker to achieve the differing heights just to make two full dog bone runs.

I really think John's design made the most use of the space he had than any design anyone could ever come up with..  and the overall result with some, full to floor scenery, was and still is unsurpassed.     

I just finished the cutoff line (under the yards) down to the X junction and am fitting in the plywood that form the platforms for the Hillside Station and the curves there... and the stone bridge back by the yards and the trestle and the portals and curves to establish this whole area....  WOW, there is a lot going on right there.....Lots of head scratching...this area also allows me some artistic licence to change the approach for the long bridge that will establish the backside of Gorre and doing everything to get every inch out of my space to make things as close as possible.  Right now it looks like my Gorre and Daphetid layout will be 70" by 35".  That is a bit smaller than John's original set up.  His was approx 80" by 43".  But it works... and all the other tracks fall into place this way and it leaves me a little more room in Goore to add a few things.   

Anyway it is a blast to be doing this and I respect John more and more for his modeling skill and design every day. I just try and I get it as accurate as I can and so far I am pleased with what this is looking like.    

"Miles to go before I sleep"  
  

Randy 



   

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:25 AM 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Yes, Randy, I do believe that I noticed the bridge supports back in the days when I was studying the book like acolyte, trying to figure out the complexity of this plan, which turned out to be a fairly simple folded dog bone after all! It’s completely understandable that he would hold this off till last, as it is almost entirely elevated. Good luck figuring out where those bridge supports go in plan, which does not show quite enough spacing for them.

I’m still trying to figure out a better lead track set up out of the yard, also it’s been close to 20 years since I started studying it closely. Kobiyashi Maru, you know. 

Best,

Bob Friddle

Gabrielle Lines

Minneapolis 


On Jan 19, 2019, at 1:09 PM, randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Bob the overhead bridge section that crosses Port and in front of Great Divide itself and then on across the yards all connected to the High bridge that was never competed.    John was working on these areas that were done but of these last few bridges during his very last days and he did not purposely leave them out so you could see the headquarters building.  It was just the natural progression of the final stages of a complete layout.  


 It is nothing short of a miracle that anyone was there with a camera and some skill and took photos.   But history has been kind to those of us who truly care, and some photos of that time do in fact exist.   
    
These bridges and that final high lope was the last of the official work that needed to be done and all the more part of the tragedy of this incredible masterpiece.   To know that John was so near to competition and had finished everything other than the long, high, steel bridge to scalp mountain and to have his comments that he was not sure if he'd make it are chilling to say the least.  To have come so close and to have had his death and then the fire all happen within such a short period of time seems surreal to me.    I can't even imagine how it affected the guys who knew John so well.  Guys who had become friends and ended up as operators on this incredible creation.  

Anyway it is good to still see the enthusiasm. it's been 46 years now.   Wow...  !    I can tell you as a new member of this site I have received all kinds of helpful info and people seem to go out of their way to point out things I somehow did not see.  I have a long way to go on my project... and without this site and the gdlines memorial pages...  wow, I could never do what I am doing using only the book.       

BTW....As for this new bridge photo !!!   and wow what a photo it is..!   The CLUES were right in front of our eyes for 40 years...!  Some of us may have caught it but I did not...   Pages 20,21,103,105 and I'll bet more photos than these, all show the tall, wide, steel support towers sitting and waiting over the Yards waiting for the bridges. They are far to wide and to tall for underslung girder sections.  Totally just sitting there shining in the lights while I looked right at them and flipped the page...!   

Randy

        


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Bob Friddle
 

Oh Contraire, my friend, I was very amused and appreciative to discover that it was folded dogbone. I have the same respect for his plan as you do, the best ideas are simple, and this one is simply marvelous. I really appreciate all of your writing, as I’m sure we all do, it’s great to follow your steps and I look forward to seeing your updated plans. I’m playing a much longer game, and have a lot more to learn to be in your league, but it is a great learning opportunity.

Thanks,


Bob Friddle


On Jan 21, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Randy Decker randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Yes Indeed Bob.   I am trying to figure out the nuts and bolts of this thing as we speak... No way I could finish the hiogh bridges over the yard area without at least ONE good 150' span Two worked better..  but now to see he had a LONG bridge fitted to a more normal span makes perfect sense.. and it looks great to..!   
 
    I have a complete " tight squeeze" right there in front of the cutoff switch and the small mountain and my feeder runs to the yard are going to be an interesting change but they do fit and they work better and seperate the yard even more....(no practicality in that but I like the look)  So I have crowded out some of John's used space there but added a bit more in length to the yard runs...and width on the back end..  I will also be connecting the main line to a track that runs independent of the yard and gives the whole operation another option for change of direction and delivery options. 

The plan drawing I made has morphed twice since I last drew it.   I really need to update it.   I am finding this project the most fun ever.  And John's design is a dogbone.     Is that not the best design ?  You sound as though it is a disappointment to discover this..  lol.    Not sure how you can get more out a run and use more of a room than this design..   But let's really be fair..... is three dog bone runs all set at different heights with lopes that are built right into the scenery.... and not hidden like a stacker add and subtract height. The design is brilliant and I can say that my attempts to build something better into my space was pretty courageously done.  I had two real nce ideas... but in the end my designs did not cover as much mainline in the same space.. and I had to use a stacker to achieve the differing heights just to make two full dog bone runs.

I really think John's design made the most use of the space he had than any design anyone could ever come up with..  and the overall result with some, full to floor scenery, was and still is unsurpassed.     

I just finished the cutoff line (under the yards) down to the X junction and am fitting in the plywood that form the platforms for the Hillside Station and the curves there... and the stone bridge back by the yards and the trestle and the portals and curves to establish this whole area....  WOW, there is a lot going on right there.....Lots of head scratching...this area also allows me some artistic licence to change the approach for the long bridge that will establish the backside of Gorre and doing everything to get every inch out of my space to make things as close as possible.  Right now it looks like my Gorre and Daphetid layout will be 70" by 35".  That is a bit smaller than John's original set up.  His was approx 80" by 43".  But it works... and all the other tracks fall into place this way and it leaves me a little more room in Goore to add a few things.   

Anyway it is a blast to be doing this and I respect John more and more for his modeling skill and design every day. I just try and I get it as accurate as I can and so far I am pleased with what this is looking like.    

"Miles to go before I sleep"  
  

Randy 



   

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:25 AM 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Yes, Randy, I do believe that I noticed the bridge supports back in the days when I was studying the book like acolyte, trying to figure out the complexity of this plan, which turned out to be a fairly simple folded dog bone after all! It’s completely understandable that he would hold this off till last, as it is almost entirely elevated. Good luck figuring out where those bridge supports go in plan, which does not show quite enough spacing for them.

I’m still trying to figure out a better lead track set up out of the yard, also it’s been close to 20 years since I started studying it closely. Kobiyashi Maru, you know. 

Best,

Bob Friddle

Gabrielle Lines

Minneapolis 


On Jan 19, 2019, at 1:09 PM, randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Bob the overhead bridge section that crosses Port and in front of Great Divide itself and then on across the yards all connected to the High bridge that was never competed.    John was working on these areas that were done but of these last few bridges during his very last days and he did not purposely leave them out so you could see the headquarters building.  It was just the natural progression of the final stages of a complete layout.  


 It is nothing short of a miracle that anyone was there with a camera and some skill and took photos.   But history has been kind to those of us who truly care, and some photos of that time do in fact exist.   
    
These bridges and that final high lope was the last of the official work that needed to be done and all the more part of the tragedy of this incredible masterpiece.   To know that John was so near to competition and had finished everything other than the long, high, steel bridge to scalp mountain and to have his comments that he was not sure if he'd make it are chilling to say the least.  To have come so close and to have had his death and then the fire all happen within such a short period of time seems surreal to me.    I can't even imagine how it affected the guys who knew John so well.  Guys who had become friends and ended up as operators on this incredible creation.  

Anyway it is good to still see the enthusiasm. it's been 46 years now.   Wow...  !    I can tell you as a new member of this site I have received all kinds of helpful info and people seem to go out of their way to point out things I somehow did not see.  I have a long way to go on my project... and without this site and the gdlines memorial pages...  wow, I could never do what I am doing using only the book.       

BTW....As for this new bridge photo !!!   and wow what a photo it is..!   The CLUES were right in front of our eyes for 40 years...!  Some of us may have caught it but I did not...   Pages 20,21,103,105 and I'll bet more photos than these, all show the tall, wide, steel support towers sitting and waiting over the Yards waiting for the bridges. They are far to wide and to tall for underslung girder sections.  Totally just sitting there shining in the lights while I looked right at them and flipped the page...!   

Randy

        


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Randy Decker <randyleedecker@...>
 

Yes Indeed Bob.   I am trying to figure out the nuts and bolts of this thing as we speak... No way I could finish the hiogh bridges over the yard area without at least ONE good 150' span Two worked better..  but now to see he had a LONG bridge fitted to a more normal span makes perfect sense.. and it looks great to..!   
 
    I have a complete " tight squeeze" right there in front of the cutoff switch and the small mountain and my feeder runs to the yard are going to be an interesting change but they do fit and they work better and seperate the yard even more....(no practicality in that but I like the look)  So I have crowded out some of John's used space there but added a bit more in length to the yard runs...and width on the back end..  I will also be connecting the main line to a track that runs independent of the yard and gives the whole operation another option for change of direction and delivery options. 

The plan drawing I made has morphed twice since I last drew it.   I really need to update it.   I am finding this project the most fun ever.  And John's design is a dogbone.     Is that not the best design ?  You sound as though it is a disappointment to discover this..  lol.    Not sure how you can get more out a run and use more of a room than this design..   But let's really be fair..... is three dog bone runs all set at different heights with lopes that are built right into the scenery.... and not hidden like a stacker add and subtract height. The design is brilliant and I can say that my attempts to build something better into my space was pretty courageously done.  I had two real nce ideas... but in the end my designs did not cover as much mainline in the same space.. and I had to use a stacker to achieve the differing heights just to make two full dog bone runs.

I really think John's design made the most use of the space he had than any design anyone could ever come up with.  and the overall result with some, full to floor scenery, was and still is unsurpassed.     

I just finished the cutoff line (under the yards) down to the X junction and am fitting in the plywood that form the platforms for the Hillside Station and the curves there... and the stone bridge back by the yards and the trestle and the portals and curves to establish this whole area....  WOW, there is a lot going on right there.....Lots of head scratching...this area also allows me some artistic licence to change the approach for the long bridge that will establish the backside of Gorre and doing everything to get every inch out of my space to make things as close as possible.  Right now it looks like my Gorre and Daphetid layout will be 70" by 35".  That is a bit smaller than John's original set up.  His was approx 80" by 43".  But it works... and all the other tracks fall into place this way and it leaves me a little more room in Goore to add a few things.   

Anyway it is a blast to be doing this and I respect John more and more for his modeling skill and design every day. I just try and I get it as accurate as I can and so far I am pleased with what this is looking like.    

"Miles to go before I sleep"  
  

Randy 



   

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:25 AM 'Friddle, Bob' bob.friddle@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:
 

Yes, Randy, I do believe that I noticed the bridge supports back in the days when I was studying the book like acolyte, trying to figure out the complexity of this plan, which turned out to be a fairly simple folded dog bone after all! It’s completely understandable that he would hold this off till last, as it is almost entirely elevated. Good luck figuring out where those bridge supports go in plan, which does not show quite enough spacing for them.

I’m still trying to figure out a better lead track set up out of the yard, also it’s been close to 20 years since I started studying it closely. Kobiyashi Maru, you know. 

Best,

Bob Friddle

Gabrielle Lines

Minneapolis 


On Jan 19, 2019, at 1:09 PM, randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Bob the overhead bridge section that crosses Port and in front of Great Divide itself and then on across the yards all connected to the High bridge that was never competed.    John was working on these areas that were done but of these last few bridges during his very last days and he did not purposely leave them out so you could see the headquarters building.  It was just the natural progression of the final stages of a complete layout.  


 It is nothing short of a miracle that anyone was there with a camera and some skill and took photos.   But history has been kind to those of us who truly care, and some photos of that time do in fact exist.   
    
These bridges and that final high lope was the last of the official work that needed to be done and all the more part of the tragedy of this incredible masterpiece.   To know that John was so near to competition and had finished everything other than the long, high, steel bridge to scalp mountain and to have his comments that he was not sure if he'd make it are chilling to say the least.  To have come so close and to have had his death and then the fire all happen within such a short period of time seems surreal to me.    I can't even imagine how it affected the guys who knew John so well.  Guys who had become friends and ended up as operators on this incredible creation.  

Anyway it is good to still see the enthusiasm. it's been 46 years now.   Wow...  !    I can tell you as a new member of this site I have received all kinds of helpful info and people seem to go out of their way to point out things I somehow did not see.  I have a long way to go on my project... and without this site and the gdlines memorial pages...  wow, I could never do what I am doing using only the book.       

BTW....As for this new bridge photo !!!   and wow what a photo it is..!   The CLUES were right in front of our eyes for 40 years...!  Some of us may have caught it but I did not...   Pages 20,21,103,105 and I'll bet more photos than these, all show the tall, wide, steel support towers sitting and waiting over the Yards waiting for the bridges. They are far to wide and to tall for underslung girder sections.  Totally just sitting there shining in the lights while I looked right at them and flipped the page...!   

Randy

        


Re: Bridges Over Great Divide Yard

randyleedecker@...
 

Wow, well I gotta say, I look at this new photograph every morning and then again, on and off all day.   ! 

 Love it, looks like one of the freight yard tracks runs between each side of the center support.   and once again ( other than the odd, perfectly set up photograph) that mirror effect is interesting but detracts more than it enhances the model.. Anyway for what it is worth...  I am going to experiment with three different ideas for that spot. 

  Anyway I have to send a HUGE thanks out to Don for solving this mystery.   This is the most amazing shot to come along in a while and eventually we may see the whole thing.    There are a few more unseen items and questions to answer and I certainly hope these answers will come to light before I build things in that will be hard to change in the future.    

Randy


    



Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Bob Friddle
 

Yes, Randy, I do believe that I noticed the bridge supports back in the days when I was studying the book like acolyte, trying to figure out the complexity of this plan, which turned out to be a fairly simple folded dog bone after all! It’s completely understandable that he would hold this off till last, as it is almost entirely elevated. Good luck figuring out where those bridge supports go in plan, which does not show quite enough spacing for them.
I’m still trying to figure out a better lead track set up out of the yard, also it’s been close to 20 years since I started studying it closely. Kobiyashi Maru, you know. 

Best,

Bob Friddle

Gabrielle Lines

Minneapolis 


On Jan 19, 2019, at 1:09 PM, randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Bob the overhead bridge section that crosses Port and in front of Great Divide itself and then on across the yards all connected to the High bridge that was never competed.    John was working on these areas that were done but of these last few bridges during his very last days and he did not purposely leave them out so you could see the headquarters building.  It was just the natural progression of the final stages of a complete layout.  


 It is nothing short of a miracle that anyone was there with a camera and some skill and took photos.   But history has been kind to those of us who truly care, and some photos of that time do in fact exist.   
    
These bridges and that final high lope was the last of the official work that needed to be done and all the more part of the tragedy of this incredible masterpiece.   To know that John was so near to competition and had finished everything other than the long, high, steel bridge to scalp mountain and to have his comments that he was not sure if he'd make it are chilling to say the least.  To have come so close and to have had his death and then the fire all happen within such a short period of time seems surreal to me.    I can't even imagine how it affected the guys who knew John so well.  Guys who had become friends and ended up as operators on this incredible creation.  

Anyway it is good to still see the enthusiasm. it's been 46 years now.   Wow...  !    I can tell you as a new member of this site I have received all kinds of helpful info and people seem to go out of their way to point out things I somehow did not see.  I have a long way to go on my project... and without this site and the gdlines memorial pages...  wow, I could never do what I am doing using only the book.       

BTW....As for this new bridge photo !!!   and wow what a photo it is..!   The CLUES were right in front of our eyes for 40 years...!  Some of us may have caught it but I did not...   Pages 20,21,103,105 and I'll bet more photos than these, all show the tall, wide, steel support towers sitting and waiting over the Yards waiting for the bridges. They are far to wide and to tall for underslung girder sections.  Totally just sitting there shining in the lights while I looked right at them and flipped the page...!   

Randy

        


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Russell Courtenay
 

On Jan 20, 2019, at 11:10 AM, saltnpepper69@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

Where is this mystery picture???

Thanks

loren martell
Aloha, OR 97007

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Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Loren Martell
 

Where is this mystery picture???

Thanks

loren martell
Aloha, OR 97007


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

randyleedecker@...
 

Bob the overhead bridge section that crosses Port and in front of Great Divide itself and then on across the yards all connected to the High bridge that was never competed.    John was working on these areas that were done but of these last few bridges during his very last days and he did not purposely leave them out so you could see the headquarters building.  It was just the natural progression of the final stages of a complete layout.  

 It is nothing short of a miracle that anyone was there with a camera and some skill and took photos.   But history has been kind to those of us who truly care, and some photos of that time do in fact exist.   
    
These bridges and that final high lope was the last of the official work that needed to be done and all the more part of the tragedy of this incredible masterpiece.   To know that John was so near to competition and had finished everything other than the long, high, steel bridge to scalp mountain and to have his comments that he was not sure if he'd make it are chilling to say the least.  To have come so close and to have had his death and then the fire all happen within such a short period of time seems surreal to me.    I can't even imagine how it affected the guys who knew John so well.  Guys who had become friends and ended up as operators on this incredible creation.  

Anyway it is good to still see the enthusiasm. it's been 46 years now.   Wow...  !    I can tell you as a new member of this site I have received all kinds of helpful info and people seem to go out of their way to point out things I somehow did not see.  I have a long way to go on my project... and without this site and the gdlines memorial pages...  wow, I could never do what I am doing using only the book.       

BTW....As for this new bridge photo !!!   and wow what a photo it is..!   The CLUES were right in front of our eyes for 40 years...!  Some of us may have caught it but I did not...   Pages 20,21,103,105 and I'll bet more photos than these, all show the tall, wide, steel support towers sitting and waiting over the Yards waiting for the bridges. They are far to wide and to tall for underslung girder sections.  Totally just sitting there shining in the lights while I looked right at them and flipped the page...!   

Randy

        


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Bob Friddle
 

Yes, Thanks so much for the New pictures and commentary! I have asked the question about the bridges over the yard here before but no one has answered, so I’m glad I asked it again. I had speculated that he delayed putting them over the yard because he didn’t want to obscure the view of the station, and he apparently learned that it made operation more interesting when he did not have a fully completed loop. It’s too bad no one is left of that remembers if he changed or discussed changing his operational scheme once they were in, but I’m sure he was thinking about it!
 It is so amazing to see these pictures from new angles to be able to compare them with the previous pictures. I am fascinated with John’s use of forced perspective, which was not as obvious in the pictures he took. Especially in the clouds and smoke from smokestacks. What a mad genius he was! 


Bob Friddle

Gabrielle lines

Minneapolis



On Jan 18, 2019, at 4:25 PM, randyleedecker@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

 

Gotta make a new facebook page.   


   Jeff,  I can't get over how fantastic it is to get something new.!    The earlier Bridges photo has solved all my issues in the yard area...and make total sense..  Without confirmation (such as this photo or a good memory from one of the guys who remembers John layout fist hand..)   it is hard for me to problem solve troubles my own way.  Historical accuracy is so important to me.  

Don, Jeff,  thank you again gentlemen... !     

Covered in sawdust and having fun BTW...  I will have a few more photos.soon this will be a slow process. But the work is steady...

    Some days I'm the hammer.    Some days I'm the nail. 

Randy       


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

randyleedecker@...
 

Gotta make a new facebook page.   

   Jeff,  I can't get over how fantastic it is to get something new.!    The earlier Bridges photo has solved all my issues in the yard area...and make total sense..  Without confirmation (such as this photo or a good memory from one of the guys who remembers John layout fist hand..)   it is hard for me to problem solve troubles my own way.  Historical accuracy is so important to me.  

Don, Jeff,  thank you again gentlemen... !     

Covered in sawdust and having fun BTW...  I will have a few more photos.soon this will be a slow process. But the work is steady...

    Some days I'm the hammer.    Some days I'm the nail. 

Randy       


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Russell Courtenay
 

Each of these new photos brings out something I haven't noticed, with the help of this group! Thank you all. 

All I can say is; although Mr. Allen was trained in art and photography, I think the main thing I have learned from his 3 dimensional art is: he was observant. He noticed the details of light, dark, wear and fading on working equipment before many modelers even thought of much more than black and boxcar red paint!

I am sure this came as much from his own personal nature and attention to detail as it did from his education.  As has been said 'anyone can obtain knowledge, wisdom comes from experience and watching others bad experiences (or watching others pee on the electric fence, if you are from the country).'


On Jan 18, 2019, at 7:18 AM, dave hi61izq@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:

I like the water streaking down the #45s tender.  Lots to see in that photo.

David (Dry Gulch & Western)

On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 8:27:27 PM PST, pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:


 

OMG ... I’ve never seen that wonderful photo before! We want more ... more ... more !!

Who has those? This can’t be the only one!

Tom


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

randyleedecker@...
 

Jeff, !!!  ya must a fell off your chair...! lol  This helps me with the building placement and the elevation of that section of Austin Street..   Ya can almost make out the posters on the tank...!  Have never seen the crane car closeup like that....  Wow.

  A very sincere thanks whomever sent this to Jeff, and once again let me state that the efforts of some of the long time members in here, many who have now passed, are just priceless in keeping Johns memory....!  Wow so many more details and fun things are in these images than we ever knew from the book.   

 I actually am measuring out for buildings for the high bridge and trying to make placements for bridge supports as closely to original as possible, this photo of the motive power and comings and goings from the service yard have clues in the background that are as valuable as the excellent photos of the engines themselves.    There will be more information coming concerning Johns last efforts as he was working these girder sections and building the last bridges from Port to the top of Scalp Mountain during this time and much of his last efforts have been missing from the record. 

 It is Just pure pleasure to be part of this group, there's good people here.  Thanks for adding me Pat.

Randy





Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

David
 

I like the water streaking down the #45s tender.  Lots to see in that photo.

David (Dry Gulch & Western)

On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 8:27:27 PM PST, pr-line@... [GandD] <GandD@...> wrote:


 

OMG ... I’ve never seen that wonderful photo before! We want more ... more ... more !!

Who has those? This can’t be the only one!

Tom


Re: Stumbled across this photo I haven't seen before...

Tom Hokel (Pine Ridge RR)
 

Never mind ... MR has those photos ... and no doubt many more unpublished GD photos. I guess were GD adicts ... of a good kind.

Tom